Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 /08 - 2/15/08

[caesu]

Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot

Firstly to the police

Against agreement in information originating from Patrick of van der Eem, whose under-cover operation let Van der Sloot to confess, was not forward to the OM. Before contacted Peter R. de Vries, Van der Eem firstly to the Gelderland police.

Civilian infiltrants

This police force passed on the information, however, to the police in Rotterdam, but both police forces did not communicate this the to OM. According to the minister it is not plausible that the under-cover Van der Eem would have been usable anyway. For this reason governement coalition party CDA wants a discussion concerning the role of civilian infiltrants in criminal matters.

source RTL nieuws

Is this like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing?  Good grief.

exactly!! this is simular to what happened in the IRT-affair 1994.
in the IRT-affair they did use infiltrants and it went wrong.
now they didn't use a infiltrant and it went wrong.
because of IRT-affair Hirsch Ballin resigned a justice minister.
also Rudy Croes - justice minister before 1994 was involved in that.
now they are both justice minister again and hate eachother.
also in the netherlands after the IRT-affair they started BOB-operations.
that's like special investigation tactics. why didn't they use that?
aruba has no BOB. why not?
 
all politics but things are coming together. nice. 

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlementaire_enqu%C3%AAtecommissie_opsporingsmethoden

[Tylergal]

Are we confirming that once again the 8 day rule for appeal has been fudged?

Really. What a shock.

Said they would definitely have a decision whether or not to arrest within the next 24 hours. 

[SunnyinTX]

caesu, I hope you're right.

Last nite, UPS delivered the loveliest dozen tulips from my father for me on Valentine's Day.  Normally, I would have frowned because they are tulips but so many of our recent Dutch monkeys have been so generous with their time and info, that I'm starting to rething my "tulip" boycott.  Besides, they're beautiful and my dad sent them. 

But I'm still never going to Aruba.

LOL...enjoy your tulips...they are filled with love.....and I am never going to aruba again either unless it's for a memorial for Natalee...!...hated it the only time I was there and would not want to contribute one cent to the island...except for Natalee

[caesu]

i am not watching it but on tv show Pauw / Witteman they started bashing Hero Brinkman!

what a surprise 

[Tamikosmom]

Sunny,

Thanks, it just seems odd they were able to get an arrest with nothing and now they are rejected.

Has Paulus reviewed the judges appeal decision yet, you know, reviewed the wording?

I still am angry at the media for not coming out and saying Daury has to be Paulus.

The superior court saying Paulus met Natalee twice that evening. We know the first was in the casino but where could the second meeting have taken place given the timeline?

Frank ... the Superior Court ruling that reversed the compensation previously awarded Paulus for wrongful detention was based on  taped evidence (casino video?) as well as Paulus' words (declaration?) spoken in front of witnesses at the Twitty group encounter on the morning of May 31, 2005.

I contend that Paulus lied when he stated that he up Natalee and Joran at 4:00 AM and then took Natalee to the Holiday Inn on the morning of May 30, 2005.  I speculate that Paulus was attempting to either create an alibi for his son or ... an alibi for himself in the event that someone had witnessed him in the Marriot Beach area.  I suspect that Paulus' presence in the Marriott Beach area on the morning of May 30, 2005 had everything to do with a panic call from his son and ... had everything to do with a deceased Natalee.

Paulus later denied that he made that statement to the Twitty group that he picked up Natalee and Joran that morning but ... the Supreme Court ruled otherwise.

Janet

+++++++++++


Superior Court Ruling
January, 2007
 
The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.


Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006
 
PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 12, 2005
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.

[Peaches]

caesu, dare I ask you to decode "BOB" and "IRT" for us country girls?
TY

[Debra]

To Natalee and all the Lost Girls....

You are truly loved!

[caesu]

i am not watching it but on tv show Pauw / Witteman they started bashing Hero Brinkman!

what a surprise 

the major of Amsterdam Cohen is on.
Hero Brinkman called him 'the worst major ever'
Brinkman used to be a police officer in Amsterdam.
Cohen is of PvdA government coalition party.

[Destiny]

caesu, dare I ask you to decode "BOB" and "IRT" for us country girls?
TY

Peaches...don't know about Caesu....but BOB is code for me..for Battery Operated Boyfriend

[Nut44x4]

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[Debra]

Debra
Rob and Kermit...You guys RoCk!

Debra,
Thank you for your kind words.
Is the photo in Maria Mai?

Nearby....Santa Cruz

[the big hammer]

Paulus' Brother

caesu writes: interesting is also. that on monday right after the broadcast a fellow member of Hero Brinkman asked for an emergence debate about exactly this issue. but other parties didn't want a debate???

I recall reading here that Pualus' brother (joran's uncle) is/was a member of a Dutch political party and held a government post.  I can't remember his name -- was it Marko?

Perhaps klass can find?

[Peaches]

caesu, dare I ask you to decode "BOB" and "IRT" for us country girls?
TY

Peaches...don't know about Caesu....but BOB is code for me..for Battery Operated Boyfriend

Well, alrighty then.  Gotcha.  I hear some hungry hounds.

Enjoyed it!

[Peaches]

Paulus' Brother

caesu writes: interesting is also. that on monday right after the broadcast a fellow member of Hero Brinkman asked for an emergence debate about exactly this issue. but other parties didn't want a debate???

I recall reading here that Pualus' brother (joran's uncle) is/was a member of a Dutch political party and held a government post.  I can't remember his name -- was it Marko?

Perhaps klass can find?

As I recall, you are correct.  I'm sure someone can confirm quicker than I but I believe you are right. 

[IBE]

caesu, I hope you're right.

Last nite, UPS delivered the loveliest dozen tulips from my father for me on Valentine's Day.  Normally, I would have frowned because they are tulips but so many of our recent Dutch monkeys have been so generous with their time and info, that I'm starting to rething my "tulip" boycott.  Besides, they're beautiful and my dad sent them. 

But I'm still never going to Aruba.

Peaches Maybe the tulips were grown in Holland, Michigan! Enjoy!

[caesu]

caesu, dare I ask you to decode "BOB" and "IRT" for us country girls?
TY

1994

The so-called IRT affair shocked the nation. Justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (*1950) van Justitie interior minister Ed van Thijn (*1934) were forced to resign. It became known that the inter regional detective squad (IRT), with permission from both departments, had been bringing in billions of guilders worth of cocaine and other drugs in an undercover sting operation. The CDA was hurt badly at the May 3 general elections. For the first time since 1917 a cabinet was formed without any of the Christian parties. Because of its color (red of the socialists and blue of the liberals), the new government was called the "purple" cabinet. Wim Kok was prime minister.

to explain BOB i might compare this to the 'Patriot Act'
to give the police special powers to fight terrorism (or organised crime?).

BOB doesn't NOT apply to Aruba! why not????? 

http://www.cbpweb.nl/documenten/med_adv_z2004-1529.shtml

[blah]

Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot

Firstly to the police

Against agreement in information originating from Patrick of van der Eem, whose under-cover operation let Van der Sloot to confess, was not forward to the OM. Before contacted Peter R. de Vries, Van der Eem firstly to the Gelderland police.

Civilian infiltrants

This police force passed on the information, however, to the police in Rotterdam, but both police forces did not communicate this the to OM. According to the minister it is not plausible that the under-cover Van der Eem would have been usable anyway. For this reason governement coalition party CDA wants a discussion concerning the role of civilian infiltrants in criminal matters.

source RTL nieuws

Is this like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing?  Good grief.

exactly!! this is simular to what happened in the IRT-affair 1994.
in the IRT-affair they did use infiltrants and it went wrong.
now they didn't use a infiltrant and it went wrong.
because of IRT-affair Hirsch Ballin resigned a justice minister.
also Rudy Croes - justice minister before 1994 was involved in that.
now they are both justice minister again and hate eachother.
also in the netherlands after the IRT-affair they started BOB-operations.
that's like special investigation tactics. why didn't they use that?
aruba has no BOB. why not?
 
all politics but things are coming together. nice. 

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlementaire_enqu%C3%AAtecommissie_opsporingsmethoden

so what are they goona do now, say the Joran confession tape is not admissable because some cops somewhere knew about it?


What a joke.

[IBE]

Paulus' Brother

caesu writes: interesting is also. that on monday right after the broadcast a fellow member of Hero Brinkman asked for an emergence debate about exactly this issue. but other parties didn't want a debate???

I recall reading here that Pualus' brother (joran's uncle) is/was a member of a Dutch political party and held a government post.  I can't remember his name -- was it Marko?

Perhaps klass can find?

As I recall, you are correct.  I'm sure someone can confirm quicker than I but I believe you are right. 

I keep saying that but at times it is pooh poohed.

[Rob]

Anyone know what van this is?

FBI. . . I have this photo and enlarged one of the belts. I see a badge. I think that's the FBI.

[caesu]

caesu, dare I ask you to decode "BOB" and "IRT" for us country girls?
TY

1994

The so-called IRT affair shocked the nation. Justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (*1950) van Justitie interior minister Ed van Thijn (*1934) were forced to resign. It became known that the inter regional detective squad (IRT), with permission from both departments, had been bringing in billions of guilders worth of cocaine and other drugs in an undercover sting operation. The CDA was hurt badly at the May 3 general elections. For the first time since 1917 a cabinet was formed without any of the Christian parties. Because of its color (red of the socialists and blue of the liberals), the new government was called the "purple" cabinet. Wim Kok was prime minister.

to explain BOB i might compare this to the 'Patriot Act'
to give the police special powers to fight terrorism (or organised crime?).

BOB doesn't NOT apply to Aruba! why not????? 

http://www.cbpweb.nl/documenten/med_adv_z2004-1529.shtml

a guilder is roughly 0.50 euro = 0.40 US$