Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 /08 - 2/15/08

[caesu]

caesu, dare I ask you to decode "BOB" and "IRT" for us country girls?
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1994

The so-called IRT affair shocked the nation. Justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (*1950) van Justitie interior minister Ed van Thijn (*1934) were forced to resign. It became known that the inter regional detective squad (IRT), with permission from both departments, had been bringing in billions of guilders worth of cocaine and other drugs in an undercover sting operation. The CDA was hurt badly at the May 3 general elections. For the first time since 1917 a cabinet was formed without any of the Christian parties. Because of its color (red of the socialists and blue of the liberals), the new government was called the "purple" cabinet. Wim Kok was prime minister.

to explain BOB i might compare this to the 'Patriot Act'
to give the police special powers to fight terrorism (or organised crime?).

BOB doesn't NOT apply to Aruba! why not????? 

http://www.cbpweb.nl/documenten/med_adv_z2004-1529.shtml

a guilder is roughly 0.50 euro = 0.40 US$

i mean 0.25US$ but still billions!

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[Rob]

If all the people initially repulsed by Joran in Holland had kept up the beat - Joran would have already been arrested. This is political. We know and they know it.

The politicians see the anger has died down and they may feel confident no harm will come to their own personal career.

[imnoangel]

Quote from: Peaches on Today at 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: caesu on Today at 04:16:12 PM
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Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot

Firstly to the police

Against agreement in information originating from Patrick of van der Eem, whose under-cover operation let Van der Sloot to confess, was not forward to the OM. Before contacted Peter R. de Vries, Van der Eem firstly to the Gelderland police.

Civilian infiltrants

This police force passed on the information, however, to the police in Rotterdam, but both police forces did not communicate this the to OM. According to the minister it is not plausible that the under-cover Van der Eem would have been usable anyway. For this reason governement coalition party CDA wants a discussion concerning the role of civilian infiltrants in criminal matters.

there were questions asked as why the police did not work with the info patrick had offered them.
of course,in hindsight, they would rather have the confessiontapes on the OM's conto instead of on Peter de Vriess'
thats all this is about.

[caesu]

Paulus' Brother

caesu writes: interesting is also. that on monday right after the broadcast a fellow member of Hero Brinkman asked for an emergence debate about exactly this issue. but other parties didn't want a debate???

I recall reading here that Pualus' brother (joran's uncle) is/was a member of a Dutch political party and held a government post.  I can't remember his name -- was it Marko?

Perhaps klass can find?

As I recall, you are correct.  I'm sure someone can confirm quicker than I but I believe you are right. 

I keep saying that but at times it is pooh poohed.

which party? i don't know details.
but things are coming together imo.

also the bashing on hero brinkman has started on tv.

also in the news article it says "the confession".
i don't know if this is quoted from the justice minister.
if he did he made another error because he shouldn't get involved like that.
(trias politica)
OM should decide if it is a confession or not.
justice minister does head the OM but he can't comment on particular cases.
he only has to make sure - they've got the tools and the money.

[imnoangel]

just to make clear that what hirsch ballin said there had nothing to do with the investigations that we are talking about on this forum.
i dont want you to get your hopes high on nothing

[Rob]

This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -



Marco

VVF party.

[Tamikosmom]

When I read that Patrick Van der Eem had approach the Aruban authorities prior to Peter Devries in regards to exposing Joran van der Sloot  ... it did not sit too well with me.  Joran could have been forewarned about his "friend" and ... decided to relate an account that only implicated him and ... distanced his father ... in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  That is the reason that the accomplice and ... the telephone call ... are pieces of the puzzle that do not fit.

I have save another article/transcript where Hans Mos affirms that Patrick approached the police/him (?) prior to approaching Peter Devries.  I am look for it.  Maybe another Monkey has this article/transcript.

Janet

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Wednesday, February 06, 2008

Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.  Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/

[AVA]

Good Afternoon all....

my question....

Deepak Statement 6-13-05

In the Van Der Sloot yard on 5-31-05  "One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the WINDHAM CASINO earlier that afternoon.  Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on camera.  And an American man said to me "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing".

Jan Van der Straten went to the WINDHAM shortly after this statement to meet with security Aaron Jean Marc.
This is the only time I find Van der Straten listed on this Discovery Log.

Was Natalee at the WINDHAM on the afternoon of 5-31-05 and possibly still alive?

[imnoangel]

i think there is a misunderstanding here. patrick offered his services to the dutch police in HOLLAND not in Aruba.
He met Joran in a casino in Arnhem, in Holland.

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[klaasend]

Good Afternoon all....

my question....

Deepak Statement 6-13-05

In the Van Der Sloot yard on 5-31-05  "One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the WINDHAM CASINO earlier that afternoon.  Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on camera.  And an American man said to me "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing".

Jan Van der Straten went to the WINDHAM shortly after this statement to meet with security Aaron Jean Marc.
This is the only time I find Van der Straten listed on this Discovery Log.

Was Natalee at the WINDHAM on the afternoon of 5-31-05 and possibly still alive?

I believe they mean the afternoon of 5/29/05 here. 

[caesu]

just to make clear that what hirsch ballin said there had nothing to do with the investigations that we are talking about on this forum.
i dont want you to get your hopes high on nothing

i know but, they made a mistake.
this is important. they shouldn't have made a mistake in such an important case.
also monday the PVV asked for emergency debate about exactly this. they didn't get it.
the PVV is going get back on that!
i mean, it's important that an error is made.
if there was no error - they wouldn't have to answer questions.
and often an answer leads to another question.

police force Gelderland and Rotterdam both should have gone to the OM.
and the didn't. or did they not want to solve the case??
PVV will pick up on this. they have questions.
together with the 'corrupt gangsters' nest' it is starting to become a bigger story.

but of course long way to go.
but i see some connections IRT-affair was really big.
also about infiltrations.

also still no word from aruba...

[imnoangel]

i think, and i also believe it is said by someone in the press, the dutch police declined to use patricks services because he has  a criminal record.

[klaasend]

i think there is a misunderstanding here. patrick offered his services to the dutch police in HOLLAND not in Aruba.
He met Joran in a casino in Arnhem, in Holland.

I understood it was Holland and not Aruba.  Thanks for clearing it up for others that may have been confused.

[AVA]

Thanks Klas....it didn't make sense...but it is funny that the only time Van der Straten is listed is after this statement.

[Kermit]

Debra
Rob and Kermit...You guys RoCk!

Debra,
Thank you for your kind words.
Is the photo in Maria Mai?

Nearby....Santa Cruz

What do the letters on the side of the building mean?

[Kermit]

HOPPING VALENTINES DAY TO ALL OF YOU MONKEY'S

[caesu]

i think there is a misunderstanding here. patrick offered his services to the dutch police in HOLLAND not in Aruba.
He met Joran in a casino in Arnhem, in Holland.

yes, that's true.
but the KLPD was also trying to solve the case.
i also don't want to get hopes up to high to early.
but is has been quiet for a week. no statements from any official.
only delaying.

[Rob]

caesu - in 32 months . . . I can not think of many decisions that have gone the way of Justice for Natalee. In fact someone will probably list all two in a second.