Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 /08 - 2/15/08

[Tylergal]

Good Afternoon all....

my question....

Deepak Statement 6-13-05

In the Van Der Sloot yard on 5-31-05  "One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the WINDHAM CASINO earlier that afternoon.  Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on camera.  And an American man said to me "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing".

Jan Van der Straten went to the WINDHAM shortly after this statement to meet with security Aaron Jean Marc.
This is the only time I find Van der Straten listed on this Discovery Log.

Was Natalee at the WINDHAM on the afternoon of 5-31-05 and possibly still alive?

I think it is being said that the questioning by the friends (Americans) was on 5/31/05 and "you went yesterday" which would be 5/30/05.  But, nonetheless...

[imnoangel]

caesu, i respect the efforts you make, but i do believe you are blowing things up way out of proportion. i also noticed that you make it seem as if all politicians are in this, but i am positive that is not true at all.
The fact is that this case does have full media attention at times, but the politicians didnt give it much of attention as to yet.
is this attention needed? i agree with you it does.
do i see a complot with our arliament involved? no, not as yet.
there s a difference in things hat happen on the island and dutch politics in general.
and i think it does no good to the cause if you make everyone look corrupt.

[ala_gunslinger]

Good Afternoon all....

my question....

Deepak Statement 6-13-05

In the Van Der Sloot yard on 5-31-05  "One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the WINDHAM CASINO earlier that afternoon.  Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on camera.  And an American man said to me "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing".

Jan Van der Straten went to the WINDHAM shortly after this statement to meet with security Aaron Jean Marc.
This is the only time I find Van der Straten listed on this Discovery Log.

Was Natalee at the WINDHAM on the afternoon of 5-31-05 and possibly still alive?

From the Shango thread...

<snip>
2.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:51 am
Gunslinger Says:
April 21st, 2006 at 7:34 pm
The video was filmed live and
on location at the neighborhood
Holiday Inn.
““““““““““““““““
no,
it was the Wyndham

3.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 6:00 am
connect the dots to Bob Smith, manager of the Wyndham who also is head of the “black-clad” visability team. It was those black-clad “guards” who intercepted Natalee from Joran, NOT the two guards who were arrested. Joran delivered Natalee to a “House his father was known to be at”= Casablanca= “white house”.
The visability guards handed her over to Paulus and he, ultimately to Oduber.
The Lions prefer nice accomodations for their deflowerings. Presidential suite, anyone?
It’s an ongoing racket.

[imnoangel]

and im wondering also... as the PVV is being so aggressive towards foreigners in Holland, i do not see them helping to search for a foreign girl in Aruba

[AVA]

Good Afternoon all....

my question....

Deepak Statement 6-13-05

In the Van Der Sloot yard on 5-31-05  "One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the WINDHAM CASINO earlier that afternoon.  Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on camera.  And an American man said to me "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing".

Jan Van der Straten went to the WINDHAM shortly after this statement to meet with security Aaron Jean Marc.
This is the only time I find Van der Straten listed on this Discovery Log.

Was Natalee at the WINDHAM on the afternoon of 5-31-05 and possibly still alive?

I think it is being said that the questioning by the friends (Americans) was on 5/31/05 and "you went yesterday" which would be 5/30/05.  But, nonetheless...

well.....it is right here at this point in Paulus' statement that the pages go missing.......just as Paulus is starting to say something about the girl had in fact been seen after......ops...pages gone!

[caesu]

caesu - in 32 months . . . I can not think of many decisions that have gone the way of Justice for Natalee. In fact someone will probably list all two in a second.

yes, you've been so let down by both OM's and still are.
but did Hirsch Ballin have to wait 12 days, and only then he saw an error was made?
announce that friday evening?
i mean an emergency debate was asked by the PVV about exactly this issue.
the PVV will follow up in this one.
they are trying to delay. next week the parlaiment is not in session.
so there's no possibility for a debate. they're still hoping it will blow over...

i know i am wishcasting too much...

[Rob]

From the Shango thread...

<snip>
2.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:51 am
Gunslinger Says:
April 21st, 2006 at 7:34 pm
The video was filmed live and
on location at the neighborhood
Holiday Inn.
““““““““““““““““
no,
it was the Wyndham

3.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 6:00 am
connect the dots to Bob Smith, manager of the Wyndham who also is head of the “black-clad” visability team. It was those black-clad “guards” who intercepted Natalee from Joran, NOT the two guards who were arrested. Joran delivered Natalee to a “House his father was known to be at”= Casablanca= “white house”.
The visability guards handed her over to Paulus and he, ultimately to Oduber.
The Lions prefer nice accomodations for their deflowerings. Presidential suite, anyone?
It’s an ongoing racket.

[Tamikosmom]

i think there is a misunderstanding here. patrick offered his services to the dutch police in HOLLAND not in Aruba.
He met Joran in a casino in Arnhem, in Holland.

The article/transcript that I am search for are the words of Hans Mos.  He states that his office was approach by Patrick but ... the offer of cooperating was declined.

Nevertheless ... if the "powers that be" in Holland or Aruba were aware that Joran's "friend" had motives that involves exposing him ...

Again I ask ... "Could Joran have been forwarned and ... give Patrick an account that distancing his father from accountability?"

Think about the following words of Joran to P&W.  This guy did not trust Patrick yet ..

Also ... When the pacifist words come from Joran's lips in the P&W interview are considered ... it would appear that a miracle has taken place and ... Joran van der Sloot's life-long anger management issues have been resolved since the the wine throwing incidence ... within the past month.  He is not angry at Patrick or Peter.

Janet

+++++++++


Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008

Question: How did you know what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Well I had my suspicion a little bit, because he talked to other friends of mine, I did not have a super good feeling towards him,

<snipped>

Question: Have you talked more to this friend who got this story from you?

Joran: I just had a conversation with him, for about 20 minutes.

Quistion: and did you (uitgekafferd) **** (lol) on him?

Joran: No, I still talk with him normal.

<snipped>

Question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night , but it's too bad that with this there are a lot of feelings for a lot of people involved here, and they will be hurt, and that's not a good tv program, but that's the way it is.

[Observer]

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[caesu]

and im wondering also... as the PVV is being so aggressive towards foreigners in Holland, i do not see them helping to search for a foreign girl in Aruba

i think they actually want to side with american for their stance on muslim radical terror.
but i also disagree with the PVV on most issues. like forbidding the koran. i don't think that's a good idea.
i mean if the PVV is the only party who called aruba / antilles corrupt.
and the only party who even mentioned natalee holloway, i am willing to support the party just for that.

Pinguïnpak - Weblog

vrijdag 08 februari 2008

Deze week vroeg mijn fractiegenoot Raymond de Roon om een spoeddebat naar aanleiding van de opzienbarende ontwikkelingen rond de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. Het verzoek werd door de andere partijen afgewezen. Heel Nederland praat erover, maar de Tweede Kamer zwijgt.

http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=5&Itemid=103

[Rob]

caesu - in 32 months . . . I can not think of many decisions that have gone the way of Justice for Natalee. In fact someone will probably list all two in a second.

yes, you've been so let down by both OM's and still are.
but did Hirsch Ballin have to wait 12 days, and only then he saw an error was made?
announce that friday evening?
i mean an emergency debate was asked by the PVV about exactly this issue.
the PVV will follow up in this one.
they are trying to delay. next week the parlaiment is not in session.
so there's no possibility for a debate. they're still hoping it will blow over...

i know i am wishcasting too much...

caesu, thank you for talking the time to help the cause of justice for Natalee. I mean that.

I only speak for myself, but I can honestly tell you that if this abortion would have happened in Holland and you would have seen it in a slightly different light and seen for yourself how this group of criminals perverted the justice system and still do to this day.

Since the light is now shinning on those that ran back to the Mudderland - I laugh as I know they are in the liar to be brought to justice, but will they?

In the event they are not, I would be careful when facing the justice system in Holland. The corrupt are intermingled with the decent.

[Frank]

well it's pretty clear that if we're trying to figure this out without luck, the judges will deliver a stinkbomb, incomprehensible piece of bs tomorrow.

It smells bad. It's true that this "confession" being such a bombshell, and to those following the case, really, is nothing but a red herring.

Not to say it hasn't done wonders for bringing pressure on the corrupt Aruba.

They're patter is to get more outrageous when the microscope is on.

I just can't see them bringing Joran back ever again.

[Rob]

caesu- one more point.

As a monk that has been here since day one. I think I need to tell you that SM takes an equal opportunity to reveal the corrupt.

In the Duke Rape Case, SM continued to expose the corruption and had too many FP articles for me to digg out and link. Trust me, they are here.

In that case Mike Nifong charged 3 men with rape and a host of other charges. You may not know, but Nifong was disbarred, sued and imprisoned. There were no crying eyes for Mike Nifong on this site. That's what we expect. We expect our officials to be on the up and up and when they are not - we expect them to be taken down and thrown in prison.

The main difference here - Nifong went after the Duke lacrosse players after Natalee disappeared. He's paying his debt to society. He was charged, defended, convicted, and is now paying his debt. When his debt is payed, he should be welcomed back into society. That's the way it should work. (in my opinion)

To date no one in Natalee's case has faced any kind of music. I'm still waiting for it to be on the bill.

[KarmaRoundUp]

From last thread:
Quote from: Rob on Today at 03:11:25 PM
I'm looking for some other pics.. but found this one..



I'm not sure if the images copied over but one was of Janssen and Jacobs and what may be Akers.To me the one who may be Akers,looks like the prosecutor Dom or whatever her name is,on aruba.Anyone have a image of her?

[Blonde]

Paulus' Brother

caesu writes: interesting is also. that on monday right after the broadcast a fellow member of Hero Brinkman asked for an emergence debate about exactly this issue. but other parties didn't want a debate???

I recall reading here that Pualus' brother (joran's uncle) is/was a member of a Dutch political party and held a government post.  I can't remember his name -- was it Marko?

Perhaps klass can find?

As I recall, you are correct.  I'm sure someone can confirm quicker than I but I believe you are right. 

I keep saying that but at times it is pooh poohed.

which party? i don't know details.
but things are coming together imo.

also the bashing on hero brinkman has started on tv.

also in the news article it says "the confession".
i don't know if this is quoted from the justice minister.
if he did he made another error because he shouldn't get involved like that.
(trias politica)
OM should decide if it is a confession or not.
justice minister does head the OM but he can't comment on particular cases.
he only has to make sure - they've got the tools and the money.

I had this saved

 VDS connections in NL
According to discussion , the question was regarding a particular Marco Van Der Sloot being possibly related to Paulus. Ramm evidently contacted Marco who denied the fact that he was related to Paulus, but also states there could be others Paulus is related to.

more untruths, Paul van der Sloot possibly does have brothers in the Netherlands, but Marco van der Sloot and the professor are NOT BROTHERS OF PAUL VAN DER SLOOT

[JA]

Is it possible that Natalee wasn't put out to sea, and Joran thinks that is where she is?  I could see him calling Paulus, who in turn called Lorenzo.  Together they decided what to do with the body, and together they decided not to let Joran know what they were going to do, in case Joran confessed to someone.  They told Joran that they dumped the body, where she may have been buried or incinerated on the island.

If she is buried at Lorenzo's, will they ever get a search warrant?  I doubt it.  He seemed untouchable.  If they know about his illegal parties and drug dealing and don't do anything about it, I doubt they'd do anything now.

I still think Paulus is the big key to the mystery of Natalee's disappearance.  They aren't pulling him in because he knows to much of the dealing of the politics and  corruption  on the island

[imnoangel]

i agree that the role of karin janssen, jan verstraaten and dompig need to be researched by independent researchers, and they must definetely be punished if they deliberately frustrate the investigations.
i agree that this search for natalee and the truth needs more attention from officials in order to do justice and get to the bottom of things.
but i distance myself from the PVV.
and by all means, you are entitled to your own opinions.

[imnoangel]

tamakisosmom, i was under the impression paulus only was in contact with the police in the netherlands. and, to be honest,  my ears go on blabla-mode when joran speaks, for all he is telling us are lies.

[Magnolia]

Good Afternoon all....

my question....

Deepak Statement 6-13-05

In the Van Der Sloot yard on 5-31-05  "One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the WINDHAM CASINO earlier that afternoon.  Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on camera.  And an American man said to me "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing".

Jan Van der Straten went to the WINDHAM shortly after this statement to meet with security Aaron Jean Marc.
This is the only time I find Van der Straten listed on this Discovery Log.

Was Natalee at the WINDHAM on the afternoon of 5-31-05 and possibly still alive?

I think it is being said that the questioning by the friends (Americans) was on 5/31/05 and "you went yesterday" which would be 5/30/05.  But, nonetheless...

When you have been up all night and traveling, yesterday would refer to the
day before since you had not had a sleep.....still in the timeframe of 5/30.

[Frank]

The myth that Paulus "knows too much" is annoying. That essentially immunizes almost every Dutch person working on that island. What's he going to do?

He and his family are liars, let him sing whatever he wants, just throw him in jail and let him tell his stories to the wall, nobody will care.

To me, this has more to do with what's left of Aruba's "image."

Their brand has been badly damaged and the truth about what a few people did, if it comes out now, will be fatal.