Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 /08 - 2/15/08

[Observer]

So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.

Yes but the way it sounds, he's now the hunted in the NL and Aruba. 

But still protected it seems

Klaas:Yes thats the pic..For some reason it just doesnt seem like PVDS to me,maybe because I have never seen him in sunglasses..Thanks though

[Rob]

I'd still like to see Beth rip his face off...

ohh how

[Blue Moon]

So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.

Yes but the way it sounds, he's now the hunted in the NL and Aruba. 

I kinda like him being a hunted man (I use that word very loosely).  His mouth kinda got him in a big mess. Can't go to school, can't come out of hiding, can't go home to Ma and Pa.  What a predicament he has gotten himself into.  Sorry but I still believe take it to trial when they have the goods on him to make it stick.  Sounds like they are thinking having him committed will clear this problem up.  I don't think so.

[cubbeegirl]

So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.

All I can think of right now is Joran's own words:

"Even if they find my own sperm in her body - they have nothing on me."

This is how sure he is of getting away with murder.  This kid KNOWS that corruption is keeping him a free man.

He sure does Beans! That is why he has that smug look on his face that I'd like to take hubby's filet knife to....

[imnoangel]

just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

[blah]

So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.

All I can think of right now is Joran's own words:

"Even if they find my own sperm in her body - they have nothing on me."

This is how sure he is of getting away with murder.  This kid KNOWS that corruption is keeping him a free man.

yep thats why it wont be long before he does it again

[ala_gunslinger]

I see no evidence of a 'system'.

I see evidence of a need for some systematic housecleaning and a little ole fashioned Southern butt-whipping.  Personality disorder, my left hind foot!  What we have here is a seriously deranged group of psychotic somebodies.  I shudder to see what the younger boys do in years to come.
[/quote]

You got that right neighbor!   Welcome!

[caesu]

i didn't expect this.
i know you guys did. but that shows how long you guys are on the case.
i don't know what's going to happen.
maybe they hope for a suicide or lynching.
he won't be able to go anywhere.
even if they show a million years of joran singin christmas carols on all tv networks.
everybody hates his guts.

do you think the news networks are going to call peter r. de vries now?

i hope the networks are noticing that balkenende is in aruba tomorrow.
to get a nice mugshot of him together with rudy croes.

It hasn't hit the American news yet.  I'm sure if this is true it will be reported on the news programs later tonight.  By tomorrow it will be all over the news.  People will be outraged.

it is true!

only it also said: he may have a personality disorder.
but that's no reason on it's own to arrest someone.

the news teams should fly to aruba.
confront those guys at there little balkenende-oduber meeting.

ask what they think.
joran is off the hook, so it is not in court so they can comment on it.

dutch cabinets most of the times give themselves a motto.
like a short buzzword to explain what there policy is about.

the previous was: respect
and before that: standards and values
and now it is: together living, together working

how can he explain this?

[Frijole]

just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

WTF?

When did the OM become a shrink and what does that have to do with justice?  Psychopaths kill all the time and go to jail for it.

Wait til Nancy Grace hears about this!   

[cubbeegirl]

A personality disorder??? He is psycho and he will kill again... he knows he can get away with it and he will do it again.....

[Buckeye]

just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

So people with personality disorders aren't capable of committing a crime?

OCD, Bipolar, Antisocial....these people don't have breaks from reality.  They are very well aware of right and wrong. Why does a disorder excuse a criminal act? 

[klaasend]

A personality disorder??? He is psycho and he will kill again... he knows he can get away with it and he will do it again.....

Yes, but right now HE is the hunted, not the hunter

[imnoangel]

I hope Peter de Vries will pick up this case where he left it

[cubbeegirl]

A personality disorder??? He is psycho and he will kill again... he knows he can get away with it and he will do it again.....

Yes, but right now HE is the hunted, not the hunter

Well, I hope he is pissing in his pants, crying his ass off scared....

[Lala'sMom]

just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

He does...he's a sociopath.  There is no corroborating evidence left any longer.  The OM, ALE, and everyone else has had plenty of time to make if go away.  There is no one that can prosecute this case even with a confession.  I wonder if DeVries has that slapped in the face feeling yet?  He now appears to have been stopped in his tracks....for the moment. 

So.....what about Paulus?  Did he actually dispose of the body by himself or did he get help?  Where did Natalee really die?  What about all those "other" people that were suspects?  I hear that bus again...this time Joran really is behind the wheel.  He is untouchable.  No surprise...I called it the first day. 

Shango you were wrong...there will be no scapegoat...yet.

[Tamikosmom]

So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.

All I can think of right now is Joran's own words:

"Even if they find my own sperm in her body - they have nothing on me."

This is how sure he is of getting away with murder.  This kid KNOWS that corruption is keeping him a free man.

yep thats why it wont be long before he does it again

Beth Holloway
Dana Pretzer Show
February 14, 2008

Answers are something we've been looking for, you're looking for your daughter, did you get the answers you're looking for

Beth: I did, when you were opening your show and justice comes in different forms and for me I have an answer, secondly I felt some justice and validation in my fight in that every step we took was well worth it .. everyone would like to see Joran behind bars and we feel strongly that he will strike again if he isn't in jail ... I think he surely will strike again and I think he will strike again, he's shown us all that he has no control over himself.

Transcript - Heli (RU)

[Blonde]

This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -



Marco

VVF party.

On Dana's show of 12/14/2006, Jossy mentioned Marco as Paulus' brother and said he is involved with the government in the NL, specifically with economic policy.

I have had this saved forever not sure if any o it is true.

Please note that Tilburg University is deeply involved in this case and should almost certainly be a point of origin with the Babylonian Elders. These brothers certainly are the reason that this case is stuck where it is. Particularly Marco.


PVDS has several brothers in Holland. They hold some very interesting positions...

1) Let's start with Marco van der Sloot. He holds the title of Coördinator van de commissie MKE (Mobiliteit, Kennis en Economie) of the The Volkspartij voor Vrijheid en Democratie (People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy, VVD) and is an active member of the VVD, the 3rd largest political party in the Netherlands.

The VVD holds alot of power, bc the President of the Tweede Kamer(the House of Representatives of the Dutch Parliament) is a VVD big-wig, he is Mr F. W. (Frans) Weisglas, President of the House of Representatives. The head of the Tweede Kamer Economic Commission, Mr. P.H. Hofstra, is also a VVD big-wig, and Marco is rumored to be his favorite protoge, largely due to the success of Marco's pet project, the Kennisalliantie, which has generated quite a bit of money for the party.

Marco plays a key role in the Ministry of Economic Affairs for the VVD, particularly in developing the Kennisalliantie, a successful program focused on developing partnerships between the public and private sectors for economic development of various types of infrastructure projects in critical areas such as Energy, Transportation, Water, etc. He is a Civil Engineer by training, and you can access his CV on his website.

The links below will tell you all about Marco van der Sloot and his role in the VVD, from the spear-heading the Kennisalliantie program (The Knowledge Alliance of South-Holland), to winning a contract (money) for a water treatment plant in SURINAM, to being a member of the VVD's Delegation to Prince Alexander. He looks alot like his brother, PVDS. You can phone Marco if you wish at tel. 06 45470983.

BY THE WAY, their are a few other interesting names that pop up among the VVD parliment members, including Marcus Lens van Rijn (isn't that Lorenzo's last name?) and Ms. E.I. Schippers ( does the name Arlene Ellis-Schippers ring a bell?) Then there is Mr. Nico Janssens, another VVD bigshot parliment member....

http://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/index.jsp
http://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/meet_the_tweede_kamer/i ndex.jsp
http://www.vvdrotterdam.nl/intranet/mod/smb/public_smb2.cfm
http://www.vvdzuidholland.nl/
http://www.vvdprinsalexander.nl/

http://www.vvdprinsalexander.nl/
http://www.vvdrotterdam.nl/intranet/mod/smb/public_smb2.cfm
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/PB_CWP_mke.doc
Marco van der Sloot
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/_private/CV-SLOOTNL2005.pdf
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/interest.htm
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/MKEartikelnieuwsbrief2003beg roting.doc
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/PB_CWP_mke.doc
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/photo.htm
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/provincie.htm
http://www.vvd.nl/index2.asp?ItemCode=VVD&HomePage=True

http://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/members_of_parliament/p resident_of_the_house/index.jsp

http://www.vvdzuidholland.nl/
http://www.zuid-holland.nl/overig/zoeken/zoekresultaten.jsp
http://www.zuid-holland.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/index.jsp
http://www.pzh.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/kenniseconomie/inde x.jsp

http://www.pzh.nl/
http://www.parlement.nl/
http://www.tweedekamer.nl/leden_commissies_fracties/commissi es/index.jsp

http://www.pzh.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/kenniseconomie/inde x.jsp
http://www.pzh.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/kenniseconomie/inde x.jsp

http://www.vvd.nl/index2.asp?ParentItemID=0&ItemID=37&Select edItemID=296

http://www.vvd.nl/index2.asp?ParentItemID=0&ItemID=37&Select edItemID=297

http://www.vvdrotterdam.nl/wethouders/nicojanssens.htm

http://www.kennisalliantie.nl/
http://www.zuid-holland.nl/images/126_98984.doc
http://www.pzh.nl/overig/zoeken/zoekresultaten.jsp

http://www.kennisalliantie.nl/index.php?n0=1
http://www.pzh.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/kenniseconomie/kenn isalliantie/index.jsp


2) Brother #2 is Hans van der Sloot. Hans is a LANDFILL EXPERT!!! Another Civil Engineer by training, he is a senior researcher at the quasi-governmental enterprise, The Energy Research Centre of the Netherlands. He has authored numerous article on decomposition of organic and inorganic materials at dump sites, and is the Director of Project HORIZONTAL which started in December 2002 with the aim to develop horizontal and harmonised European standards in the field of sludge, soil, and treated biowaste. He is a world-renowned expert in waste treatment and landfill management. Ironic, huh? You can email Hans at: vandersloot@ecn.nl

and read all about his expertise in LANDFILLS by following these links.


http://www.ecn.nl/
http://www.ecn.nl/horizontal/
http://www.cenorm.be/cenorm/workarea/sectorfora/construction +sector+network/vandersloot3.pdf
http://search.surfnet.nl/cgi-bin/qsearch.pl
http://www.ecn.nl/library/reports/2003/rx03034.html
http://www.ecn.nl/docs/library/report/2003/rx03034.pdf
http://www.ecn.nl/library/reports/2002/rx02061.html
http://www.ecn.nl/cgi-ecn/ecn/publauth.pl?author=Sloot,+H.A. +van+der&unit=SF〈=NL

http://www.ecn.nl/docs/library/report/2002/rx02067.pdf

http://www.ecn.nl/cgi-ecn/ecn/publauth.pl?author=Sloot,+H.A. +van+der&unit=SF〈=NL

http://www.ecn.nl/index.en.html

http://www.ecn.nl/horizontal/
http://www.ecn.nl/horizontal/news.php

http://www.cenorm.be/cenorm/workarea/sectorfora/construction +sector+network/vandersloot3.pdf
http://www.cenorm.be/cenorm/workarea/sectorfora/construction +sector+network/vandersloot21.pdf

http://www.ath.aegean.gr/srcosmos/generic_pinakas.aspx?pinak as=cited_refs&id=29157&alpharef=Van-Der-sloot%20HA

http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/test/pdfs/internl.pdf



3) Last but not least we have Ko. van der Sloot, a Scientific Programmer and professor of Faculty of Arts,
Language and Information Science at Tilburg University, aka, Paulus' Alma Mater. The quiet one, Ko sticks to writing boring technical manuals, teaching, and doing his research as a Scientific Programmer in IT Services Infrastructure & Development. He can be reached at Language and Information Science Department
Room L124
P.O. Box 90153
NL-5000 LE Tilburg, The Netherlands
Phone +31 13 466 3202
Fax +31 13 466 3189
E-mail: Ko.vanderSloot@uvt.nl

While he leads a rather inconspicuous life, Ko might soon come in handy for PVDS, since it is likely that the after PVDS buys son Joran's way out of jail, the only university in the world that will take the notorious Aruban teen will be daisysistah other than Tilburg University, where daddy PVDS went to school, and uncle Ko is a professor.

http://www.tilburguniversity.nl/university/
http://www.uvt.nl/webwijs/english/show.html?anr=155659


More on Marcos' Economic Development Program:

The Knowledge Alliance of South-Holland
The Lisbon strategy stated that by 2010 Europe should become "the most competitive and dynamic knowledge based economy in the world with sustainable economic growth, more and better jobs, and greater social cohesion".
In this context the "Kennisalliantie" (Knowledge Alliance) aims to increase knowledge intensive activities within the province of South Holland (Zuid-Holland) to help establish one of the leading, and most competitive regions within this international knowledge based economy.
Our main focus is to facilitate the process of creating an economy that is based on the provision of competitive high-value services, and the development of innovative products. It is not simply about pushing back the frontiers of knowledge; it is also about the more effective use and exploitation of all types of knowledge, in all forms of economic activity.
All the ingredients for the creation of a sustainable knowledge based economy are present in the region: numerous knowledge institutions (universities, international institutions, research institutes), superb infrastructure (Rotterdam Harbour, Schiphol Airport), and the presence of 30 multinational headquarters and thousands of small and medium-size enterprises (SMEs).
Thus, the Kennisalliantie brings together a network of government, private sector and knowledge institutions to create a sustainable and competitive knowledge-based economy in our region. The Kennisalliantie is a platform aimed at coordinating events and jointly taking knowledge-intensive business and innovation to a higher level. With all major players in the regional knowledge infrastructure united, success is within reach.
The Kennisalliantie focuses on four main projects:
Project 1: Knowledge to the Market
Project 2: SME Match (Small and Medium-size Enterprise-Match)
Project 3: IPTS (Information Point Techno Start-ups)
Project 4: Think Tank
Project 1: Knowledge to the Market
The purpose of this project was to set up clusters of government, private sector, and knowledge institutions within nine highly knowledge-intensive categories. These nine clusters are:
 Water & Delta Technology
 ICT & Telecom
 Aerospace & Composites
 Life Sciences
 Shipping, Trade, Transport & Logistics
 Sensor & Nanotechnology
 International Law
 Glasshouse Horticulture
 Process Industry
Key players within the cluster identify themes and projects in which the application of (new) technologies or the uses of existing technologies from other fields form the principle focus.
The Kennisalliantie nurtures the innovation process by organizing facilitating activities. It organizes workshops and meetings for targeted groups of technology experts and specialists from industries working in the field. These events result in the establishment of consortia consisting of the parties concerned for the purpose of conducting feasibility studies and/or pilot studies that will lead to the development and commercialization of new products and services.
Project 2: SME-Match (Small and Medium-size Enterprise Match)
In a competitive environment, innovation is a key driver of economic growth. While small and medium-size enterprises constitute the region’s largest body of employers, they often lack the time and capacity to realize their innovative goals.
The objective of SME Match is to create the opportunity for SMEs to employ highly qualified students who can facilitate in realizing those innovative goals.
The internships run from three to five months. Only students in their final year at higher educational levels are eligible. A limited budget is available to enable participating companies to accumulate external knowledge where needed.
Project 3: IPTS (Techno Start-up Information Point)
Starting entrepreneurs quite often need a lot of information and support to start up or consolidate their businesses. A wide range of such services, including housing, research facilities, coaching, business planning and funding is available from a number of support organizations.
It is essential to be able to find the right services for any given type of business. The Kennisalliantie has created a portal that includes a digital map of all related services available in Zuid-Holland. The purpose of this online guiding system is to help Techno start-ups match the most suitable services to their specific needs.
The power of the IPTS is that it helps Techno Start-ups reduce the time, cost and energy invested in searching for the most appropriate services.
Project 4: Think Tank
A Think Tank has also been set up for the purpose of developing a vision and strategy for the creation of an innovative regional economy. National and international experts contribute to the development of this regional vision - not only by making use of analyses and up-to-date research methods, but also by conducting studies of the available literature and interviews with local experts. The results of the first (out of five) research project are currently being processed.


and Hans' Landfill Project:

Project HORIZONTAL started in December 2002 with the aim to develop horizontal and harmonised European standards in the field of sludge, soil, and treated biowaste to facilitate the regulation of these major streams in the multiple decisions related to different uses and disposal governed by EU Directives. The work started with desk studies on all topics relevant in the project to evaluate the feasibility of the development of a horizontal standard or horizontal standards for sampling, biological parameters, hygienic parameters, organic parameters, inorganic parameters, mechanical properties and leaching in the fields of sludge, soil and treated biowaste.
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[Dayhiker]

MF @ RU

The court said that Joran has lied several times and what he SAID CANNOT BE SUPPORTED WITH OTHER DATA.
So, it was the court decision, and the OM said that they do not exclude the possibility of him having a personality problem.

That's about as limp-wristed an excuse as I've ever heard before. So all you have to do to get off in the Dutch system is lie? What are these shitheads afraid of?

[caesu]

Objectively speaking, I understand it.

What purpose would it serve for another catch and release?

The outrage will work to our advantage, as long as the focus become Paulus and his accomplices.

the momentum is still there.
hype is ignited.
i hope peter r. has thought about this.
i am sure he will be tomorrow on news / talk show.
aruba is 5 hours behind. he could drop a bombshell while balkenende is still in aruba.
i know i am wishcasting. but i think it is really dangerous.
joran might want to proof something to himself after this media-hype.
what does such a media-hype do to someone with a personality disorder like he has!?
i really don't know.

are are WE mad and he is a sweet little guy. OMG.
just look at his behaviour.

[Ono]

caesu- one more point.

As a monk that has been here since day one. I think I need to tell you that SM takes an equal opportunity to reveal the corrupt.

In the Duke Rape Case, SM continued to expose the corruption and had too many FP articles for me to digg out and link. Trust me, they are here.

In that case Mike Nifong charged 3 men with rape and a host of other charges. You may not know, but Nifong was disbarred, sued and imprisoned. There were no crying eyes for Mike Nifong on this site. That's what we expect. We expect our officials to be on the up and up and when they are not - we expect them to be taken down and thrown in prison.

The main difference here - Nifong went after the Duke lacrosse players after Natalee disappeared. He's paying his debt to society. He was charged, defended, convicted, and is now paying his debt. When his debt is payed, he should be welcomed back into society. That's the way it should work. (in my opinion)

To date no one in Natalee's case has faced any kind of music. I'm still waiting for it to be on the bill.

Very well said, Rob, but remember his jail sentance was only for one day.  He and the other corrupt officials, are now rightly facing their due day in Federal Court with the wonderful lawsuits filed by the wronged players and the wrongly fired coach.  It will get very interesting soon and in the future in Durham!  Now, if only the Justice Department will weigh in later, it will be truly sweet.

Mike Nifong and his other crafty co-horts would be right at home in Aruba!