Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 /08 - 2/15/08

[Tamikosmom]

Janet, if you are still here, do you know the time line on "changing the statements" from the "lighthouse to the holiday inn" to "never went there, only went to the beach."

I am trying to figure if this boy did indeed see Joran at the lighthouse with Natalee, and knows he murdered here, then they can change their story as there is not going to be a witness to seeing them at the lighthouse, so they can now go directly to the beach.  One witness is no witness.  Do do do do do do do do do ... echoes of Shango.

Tylergal ... I do have that timeline somewhere.  However ... I am wiped.  I was out for the evening and ... was just catching up prior to hitting the sack.  I will touch base with you in the morning.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
11:30 PM

[Tamikosmom]

******* ... Thank you.

Is this the Boca Tortuga area of Aruba?

Janet

Hi Janet,I think this is the NW shore but I will see if I can find there paper the next day where they said it was. That NE area that you are talking about I hear is very rough and rocky.

Thank you *******.

Good Night.

Janet

[Tylergal]

Janet, if you are still here, do you know the time line on "changing the statements" from the "lighthouse to the holiday inn" to "never went there, only went to the beach."

I am trying to figure if this boy did indeed see Joran at the lighthouse with Natalee, and knows he murdered here, then they can change their story as there is not going to be a witness to seeing them at the lighthouse, so they can now go directly to the beach.  One witness is no witness.  Do do do do do do do do do ... echoes of Shango.

Tylergal ... I do have that timeline somewhere.  However ... I am wiped.  I was out for the evening and ... was just catching up prior to hitting the sack.  I will touch base with you in the morning.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
11:30 PM

Thank you, Janet.  You go to bed.  You deserve the rest.  You are everybody's diary! 

[Observer]

JUNIT-IA on June 7th, 2005 6:10 pm (SM FP)

The picture you saw with the ambulance is alocal boy who ws swimming at Conchi, he had a epileptic attack in the water and drowned. It’s a boy 16 years old. Not Natalee.
HOWEVER
natalee ta morto pero na a haja e curpa ainda=
natalee is dead but the body has not bean found
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#  Amy on June 8th, 2005 8:18 am

On the top of the heading it says: “Tin tur indication cu:”(in small print)
which means
“All indication show that Natalee is dead but there no body been found yet.”
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#  lisinopril on July 22nd, 2005 3:04 pm

lisinopril

You may find it interesting to check some relevant information in the field of ambien amitriptyline

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-is-dead-rest-in-peace/
Night Janet 

[texasmom]

I am just so disgusted from today that I need to log off now, or I am going to get banned.  My feelings toward all of this are getting the best of me.  If this had been here in the USA, things would be sooooooo different!  I want to know who those Judges are, and I am so hoping none of them have the name of smid, or smit (sp).  F*^&*() corrupt POS place the Antillies is.  I am going to go and calm down now.  Thanks for letting me vent.  Sorry Klaas.  They will all have to answer to someone some day.  One way or another!

I understand how you feel Hotshot, believe me!  It's very frustrating.........But we've got to hang in there!  Get some rest and try to calm your nerves.  We need you here with us until this is resolved.

[texasmom]

goodnight Janet!  Enjoyed reading your posts as usual, thanks for all your hard work!

[Tibrogargan]

Klaasend:

The Only way to resolve this Shango (Changa game) is for dave to Come and retrieve the body.

Because it is not in the Ocean....They never went to the Ocean

The time bo not allow it.

It takes advanced planning to do it. if you want to keep it a secret, you have to keep the circle small
This time I have it all arrranged ... He just has to show up

I was waiting to for this ... I told you that we will take the matter in our own hand..

This disturbs me.  If you know where Natalee's body is and have not told until whatever it is you're waiting for, then I have to wonder if you're not suffering the same disorder as Joran and Daddy Sloot.  Please tell me I misinterpreted this comment.

SGGirl - this is a fair comment you have made IMO.  Caps may have the best intentions in the world and I sincerely hope that his theory on Natalee's whereabouts can be proved to be correct.
But we have had so many carrots dangled before us on this and other blogs that it becomes tedious at times.  We are indeed monkeys, not donkeys.      MOO

[Observer]

Interesting..This is conchi by the natural pool where the Bulgarian man died last month,said he went into shock. Also the same area where Deepak said his Tennis Teacher died years ago,when they confused him talking about Natalee just hours after she dissapeared  This was the guy with blood on his foot. Conchi to me looks nothing like where that Ambualnce picture is saying Natalee was dead,but instead was a 17 year old boy. Where are any rocks in that photo? I am not buying that was conchi!
http://tinyurl.com/2u2dmm
funeraria zepp wever handled his body


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I dont think this is correct as I believe Guido's dad is Robert Wever of the Aliansa/Aruban Social Movement or MSA
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From FOK (Dutch Blog)
The arrested person is Guido Wever, father is Frohverd Wever, he is a cousin of Arlene Schipper, he is still in The Netherlands, being interrogated, daily.
This is the guy Joran used as an alibi that Monday afternoon. He said they were playing tennis.
Arlene Schipper van het advocatenkantoor op Aruba Promes van Doorne .
she is now the pr woman and she works for the police

He seems to have moved from Aruba to the Netherlands 14 days after Natalee disappeared.
He was a "croupier" at the HI Casino and had been questioned before by Aruban police.

Frohverd Wever is the brother of sepp wever and Rowald is their son

   
The contacts for this section are:

Mr.. R. O. Wever, head of the Department
Ms. M. M. Croes

Weaver's family had also not a crematorium? Yolanda and zepp weaver
http://Http://www.zeppwever.com/
Their other son is Guido Wever
The parents of Joran are good friends of the fam Wever and Joran is friends with Guido

The website (http://www.zeppwever.com/ state in the name of:

Domain name: ZEPPWEVER.COM

[JE]

Telegraaf.nl article (Translated)

   
Joran remains free
AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot is not re-arrested in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. That has its Dutch lawyer from the court on Curaçao told.


Following the confessions of Joran in the program by Peter R. De Vries, a new study done. The confession is not enough, according to the court more often because Joran has lied and what he says is not supported by other data.

Joran himself said after the broadcast that he had invented full confession. The Public Prosecutor and the court will not rule out that he has a personality disorder, reports the NIS
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Police explained Aruba not on infiltrator
THE HAGUE --

The police does not satisfy the Aruban authorities that Patrick van der Eem had communicated with the message that Joran van der Sloot against him probably would discuss the case Natalee Holloway. That has Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (Justice) Thursday responded to questions from the Lower House.


Patrick van der Eem, which ultimately by Peter R. De Vries is used as a mole, are reported to the police last autumn-central Gelderland. That was not with him in the sea, because the man a condition suggested it is contrary to the rules. Hirsch Ballin is not in his reply on this condition, in relation to the privacy of Van der Eem.

What they are saying in the second article is that the Aruban government decided the tapes are inadmissible because Patrick has approached the dutch police about his relationship wit joran and the dutch authorities failed to notify Aruba of this fact. In a nutshell They say it's the fault of the Dutch.

There's something terribly wrong with this world and that island

[Sue]

We cant give up , I know Im the quiet one here but I am always here and always prayer
for answers for this family.. we have to pray that some of these tips coming in will pay off or some person just takes Joran and and beats the little fer to death

[Observer]

They are saying this death of the 17 year old boy is in conchi on June 4th. I see no rocks and it looks very similar to where the VCB shirt was found 2 days later on June 6th. I could be wrong but I have seen no pictures of Conchi that look like this.



Colony Area southern part of the island(Same police scene as finding the VCB SHIRT)

[JE]

Telegraaf.nl article (Translated)

   
Joran remains free
AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot is not re-arrested in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. That has its Dutch lawyer from the court on Curaçao told.


Following the confessions of Joran in the program by Peter R. De Vries, a new study done. The confession is not enough, according to the court more often because Joran has lied and what he says is not supported by other data.

Joran himself said after the broadcast that he had invented full confession. The Public Prosecutor and the court will not rule out that he has a personality disorder, reports the NIS
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Police explained Aruba not on infiltrator
THE HAGUE --

The police does not satisfy the Aruban authorities that Patrick van der Eem had communicated with the message that Joran van der Sloot against him probably would discuss the case Natalee Holloway. That has Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (Justice) Thursday responded to questions from the Lower House.


Patrick van der Eem, which ultimately by Peter R. De Vries is used as a mole, are reported to the police last autumn-central Gelderland. That was not with him in the sea, because the man a condition suggested it is contrary to the rules. Hirsch Ballin is not in his reply on this condition, in relation to the privacy of Van der Eem.

What they are saying in the second article is that the Aruban government decided the tapes are inadmissible because Patrick has approached the dutch police about his relationship wit joran and the dutch authorities failed to notify Aruba of this fact. In a nutshell They say it's the fault of the Dutch.

There's something terribly wrong with this world and that island

They re not saying this literally but if you read between the lines it must have influenced their decision

[IBE]

NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!! 

There is the proof!  No doubt about it.

Rough, but I think its a match:

Could this be a picture of a younger, not thin, not blond Astrid and her husband or Karen J?

[Observer]

What they are saying in the second article is that the Aruban government decided the tapes are inadmissible because Patrick has approached the dutch police about his relationship wit joran and the dutch authorities failed to notify Aruba of this fact. In a nutshell They say it's the fault of the Dutch.

There's something terribly wrong with this world and that island

Something terribly wrong is correct. They have a bunch of excuses. I am still very suspicious of Hans Mos and his new evidence that was a major breakthrough in the case back in November,it turned out to be crap. All it did was elevate the bar for a arrest, where not even a confession on tape is good enough to arrest him.   
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AD.NL (translation)
Court refuses to arrest Van der Sloot
WILLEMSTAD - The court in Curaçao wants Joran van der Sloot not re-arrest for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba.

The public prosecutor in Aruba wanted Van der Sloot for the third time to pick up after his confessions opposite infiltrator Patrick van der Eem, recorded with hidden cameras.

The images are broadcast in the TV programme of crime reporter Peter R. De Vries. Van der Sloot said later that his confession about the dumping of Natalees body into the sea, after being at a vrijpartij on the beach had become unwell, not true.

According to the court provide those statements insufficient new and important evidence. It is also what he says in the recordings, not supported by other evidence. In addition, Van der Sloot often lied.

The court does not rule out that he has a personality disorder, which makes him less credible. De Vries That is a strange state of affairs. The crime reporter responded Friday morning in the radio program of Giel Beelen on 3fm on the decision of the court. ,, The confession of someone who leaves a body disappear is not sufficient him again to the tooth feel. Apparently, a few times jokken good enough to assume that Joran van der Sloot an persoonlijkheidstoornis. We need you in the Netherlands for a considerable long time to be examined.''

After the broadcast, for Aruba on the investigation into the disappearance of the American girl reopened and the arrest of Van der Sloot asked. When the judge refused that, went the PPS appealed to the court.

[JE]

Another link

http://www.ad.nl/holloway/article2053752.ece

It says in this article that: The (Aruban) court thinks that he might have a personality disorder that may make him less credible?????
Peter de vries reacted on a radioshow on friday morning: It seems that someone confessing to making a body dissapear is not enough to arrest that person for questioning. He thinks it's strange that the fact that joran lied seems to be enough for the court to decide the guy has a personality disorder.

[JE]

http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article936170.ece/Van_der_Sloot_wordt_niet_opnieuw_opgepakt

Translation of the last part of article:

According to joran's lawyer Bert the Rooij, the declarations made to Patrick of of the Eem are verifiably incorrect. , there is objective data that proves that what he said is not true', said the Rooij. Also van der sloot has given a motive as to why his declarations were not true: He was lying.

[JE]

NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!! 

There is the proof!  No doubt about it.

Rough, but I think its a match:

Could this be a picture of a younger, not thin, not blond Astrid and her husband or Karen J?

oops posted this twice srry


http://www.brabantscentrum.nl/oud_archief_2005/nieuws/0526_sloot.htm

Photo taken during press conference they were opposing the construction of a new road.
guy on the right is Adriaan van Abeelen (from an environnemental movement) no mention of the other two people

[Observer]

Thanks JE!!!!!!!!

[caesu]

http://www.ed.nl/eindhovenstad/article2595257.ece

JvdS lawyer mr. Bert de Rooij

alledgedly close to PvdS in the past.
he wouldn't deny nor confirm.

[caesu]

Joran van der Sloot to remain free

Last modified: 15 February 2008 10.10

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again for involvement in the disappearance of the American student Natalee Holloway. That its Dutch lawyer Bert the Rooij have heard Thursday night of the common Court of Justice on Curaçao, said the Council man on Radio 1.

Peter R. Freezes reacted disappointed to the pronouncement. "this is of course extremely sour", said the crime reporter, who it finds especially painful for the family of Holloway. "the case has been solved from the journalism side", thus Freeze, in a question conversation with BNR Nieuwsradio.

 

i hope he has some more...
he has to investigate again.