Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 /08 - 2/15/08

[Tylergal]

Veryyyyyy early on in the case I remember discussions of Paulus's brother and I swear we even had a photo...please tell me I didn't dream that?? It was so long ago....     Klaas?? Do you remember? The photo was a man in Holland...was suppose to be Joran's Uncle...Paulus's brother...?

Spain.

[klaasend]

Posted by Lazlo at RU:

This is from NOS teletext, the text is kind of odd because the OM appealed to the decision of the judge, and the decision by the 3 judges was awaited by the OM, not sure why this message says the OM does not see any grounds for a new arrest, but that is what the article says.

[Pita]

This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -



Marco

VVF party.

On Dana's show of 12/14/2006, Jossy mentioned Marco as Paulus' brother and said he is involved with the government in the NL, specifically with economic policy.

[caesu]

the just can't let him walk.
i have to take a minute to think.

[Frijole]

Joran is going to have to remain in hiding.

[Nut44x4]

Thanks Klaas....not the one I am thinking of. Oh well. TY anyway.

[Tylergal]

klaas,

Happy looking group aren't they?

Have you ever seen a happy group of hippies when not under the influence of the drug du jour?

[Frank]

Did someone call Mos?

Oh wait, he's on vacaaation.

[Rob]

sorry for ramble / rant / not fully thought through

i think i get what you mean.

like it is impossible to have an entire judicial system (actually two) working against you.
but i am just so sickened by all of this.

i am really thinking about how to put those forces in some sort of collision course so the cover-up can't continue.
i mean because of peter r. de vries there is a momentum now. i see opportunities.
you hardly see a dutchie who doesn't think it stinks. and if i speak to one and i ask about his opinion and she doesn't see it -  it just give one or two clues - and the coin drops.
maybe the momentum is a one time event. maybe peter r. next program won't cause such a media-hype as we have seen now.

and then yesterday our foreign minister opens a new building in the hague and he says: "As you know, the reputation of The Hague as the judicial capital of the world 'goes to my heart'" (meaning: is very very important). really that almost made me puke.

in the hague:
    * International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, (ICTY)
    * Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, (OPCW)
    * International Court of Justice, located in the Peace Palace.
    * International Criminal Court, (ICC).
    * European Police Office, (Europol)
    * Hague Academy of International Law, center for high-level education in both public and private international law.
    * Permanent Court of Arbitration, the oldest institution for international dispute resolution.
    * Hague Conference on Private International Law, (HCCH), the oldest and preeminent private international law harmonization institution.
    * Iran-United States Claims Tribunal
    * Eurojust, European Union body composed of national prosecutors.
    * European Patent Office
    * The European Library

i mean come on. and they send bad prosecutors, judges to aruba.
for the netherlands it is hugely important to be seen as the most lawfull righteous country in the universe.

and then i think. what if a mother lost her child on aruba or somewhere else - and she didn't have good communicational skills, didn't know how to say the right words on camera, more children to take care of, just enough money to pay the bills, i mean i could go on and on. if you then face a judicial system. you stand no chance at all in the world.
so i think if this thing gets exposed, other countries will see that at the end they won't get away with denying a mother to know what happened to her child. like a big warning. don't ever mess those things up because all involved will be the shame of the world.

so that's way i keep searching for ways.
but who am i? what can i do?

aruban parliament won't do it. usa won't get involved in dutch / aruban judicial issues.
i've read some other american blogs and they think it's just a digusting media-hype.
and they are right! this joran-tape played over and over again made me sick after one day already.
so they look away, or try to make a really funny parody; and that's how they miss what's behind it: how corrupt aruba is.

boycot won't work. dutch will bail aruba out. and most dutch trade is intra-european.
i think hero brinkman is the only chance to get the word out in the dutch parliament at he moment.
because of his stance on aruba / antilles but also because of the jan van der straten-coincident

but i've got a few more scenario's in my head.

caesu - ramble away...

We have three justice systems working against us and Natalee and her family. Then throw in all the other interests. Columbia, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba... etc. It's an uphill battle. That's reason enough not to travel to Aruba.

As for all of the international judicial bodies you listed - we have all written to them before and are very familiar with the letter writing campaign.

I do agree there is some momentum, but we had momentum before only to have the corrupt Wit and Smid free the suspects. There's always tomorrow.

In the bizarro world of Aruba, nothing works like you might think it should or could. It's like the fifth dimension. Everyone dies of natural causes with one hand in their pocket at age 38. Totally normal.

In my opinion, someone needs to remove everyone in power and replace them with an intermittent government until a free election can be held.

caesu - the deeper you dig, the worse it looks. Everyday reveals a new scheme and the player involved.

[Frank]

caesu,

You're kidding right?

[caesu]

This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -



Marco

VVF party.

On Dana's show of 12/14/2006, Jossy mentioned Marco as Paulus' brother and said he is involved with the government in the NL, specifically with economic policy.

in dutch that's VVD.
liberal party. but in europa that's different from america.
because liberal is here on the right of political spectrum.

[caesu]

caesu,

You're kidding right?

they can't arrest him. free man.
lock the doors.

[klaasend]

Posted by Lazlo at RU with full translation by Lazlo:

Full translation:

15 Februari 2008 01:07

Van der Sloot niet opnieuw opgepakt
Joran van der Sloot wordt niet opnieuw opgepakt voor de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway op Aruba. Dat heeft de Nederlandse advocaat van Van der Sloot te horen gekregen van het OM op Aruba.

Het OM deed nieuw onderzoek na het programma van Peter R. de Vries waarin Van der Sloot werd gefilmd met een verborgen camera. Tegen een infiltrant zei hij dat hij voor de verdwijning van het Amerikaanse meisje verantwoordelijk was. Later noemde hij dat verzinsels.

Het OM ziet in de uitzending en de uitspraken daarna geen grond voor een nieuwe aanhouding van Van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot not to be arrested again.
Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. That is what his Dutch lawyer was told by the OM on Aruba.

The OM performed a new investigation after the show of Peter R. de Vries in which Van Der Sloot was filmed with a hidden camera. To an infiltrant he said that he was responsible for the disappearance of the American girl. Later he said he had made that up.

The OM does not see any grounds for a new arrest of Van der Sloot in the broadcasting and things that were stated afterwards.

http://www.nos.nl/nos/artikelen/2008/02/art000001C86F632DF5E142.html

[Silverfox]

There is a new judge in town for Joran & Co.
 

i bet he has some vision

Of course he has some good vision -- and would make a fine judge, too!! 

[blah]

the just can't let him walk.
i have to take a minute to think.

kill the judges and burn Aruba to the ground.  Kidnap Jorans family and let him find their dead bodies one at a time about a month apart.  After the last one is dead, skin Joran alive and toss him in the drink.



Just an idea.

[2NJSons_Mom]

This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -



Marco

VVF party.

Bumping this for Nut44X4....is this the one you are thinking of?

[Pita]

Debra
Rob and Kermit...You guys RoCk!

Debra,
Thank you for your kind words.
Is the photo in Maria Mai?

Nearby....Santa Cruz

What do the letters on the side of the building mean?

Is that the donkey sanctuary?

[Nut44x4]

Veryyyyyy early on in the case I remember discussions of Paulus's brother and I swear we even had a photo...please tell me I didn't dream that?? It was so long ago....     Klaas?? Do you remember? The photo was a man in Holland...was suppose to be Joran's Uncle...Paulus's brother...?

Spain.

Ohhhhhhh.........ty Tyler.....that rings a bell......mmmm.....

[Spock]

Posted by Lazlo at RU:
This is from NOS teletext, the text is kind of odd because the OM appealed to the decision of the judge, and the decision by the 3 judges was awaited by the OM, not sure why this message says the OM does not see any grounds for a new arrest, but that is what the article says.

If they want to solve this case they need to arrest Van Stratten, the cover up is TOO deep now.

[Nut44x4]

This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -



Marco

VVF party.

On Dana's show of 12/14/2006, Jossy mentioned Marco as Paulus' brother and said he is involved with the government in the NL, specifically with economic policy.

OK....that's the photo I remember...Thanks to all...I really thought I was losing my mind  ...for some reason I could not connect the name Marco w/ that face. TY!