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« Reply #460 on: February 16, 2008, 04:22:15 PM »

The dead body found in Nevada is that of the missing college co-ed.    I hope they will find the perpetrator soon.  There is just wayyyyy, wayyyy too much of that going on.
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« Reply #461 on: February 16, 2008, 04:24:04 PM »

We know little to nothing about these two people and what they were doing when Natalee dissapeared. Was Posner even on the island on May 29th and 30th?

Michael Posner, owner of the Holiday Inn Sunspree & Excelsior Casino,
Jacobus Lorenzo "David" Wever, the Casino Manager;



*******....I did some checking after jackb posted that and IIRC it was Buckeye that found that Mr Wever is no longer with us.

Coincidently...Sir Frosted Flakes interviewed an Audreyselda Wever right before he died..May have been the day before.

I then did a followup in the 'Shango' thread of Guido/David/Lorenzo Wever. It appears a lot of the confusion came from Tito about the mix up in names, as we found a Guido, a Jacobus Lorenzo 'David', a David and there may have been another Lorenzo???? Confused...I was!

Pita and jackb posted pics of a David Wever actually Klaas posted jackb's. And Nut posted a Hi5? site. Nut and Pita's posts were in the Natalee thread and the rest was in the 'Shango' thread

I will find the post and post the link a little later.

Hello MUM,

I read your posts and I saw David Wever's pic and where he says' bang buss. Joran talks about him in his book and I do not think they liked each other very much. I also remember quite clearly Tito on Tv talking about Lorenzo Wever. I have never seen anything on this Lorenzo Wever that is relevent to this case.

I remember hearing rumors that Natalee met Michael Posner the night of the 29th but if I recall correctly he says he wasnt in Aruba that night. We know he met with Guido a few days after NH dissapeared and that he hired PI'S to Investigate Natalee's case. I still know very little about his involvement if any in this case. As Posner says "I know nothing about nothing"

Is this who you were talking about? Is this supposed to be the casino Manager at the Excelsior when Natalee dissapeared?
Jacobus Lorenzo Wever
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The only time I have seen another Lorenzo besides "Renzo" the DJ who knows SGC and LVR is a post from Dolores who is friends with LVR and she mentions there is another Lorenzo that was involved in the escort/prostitution business possibly with Mr.Pink. Dissapointed Aruban and a few others knew LVR and as you can see by there posts two years ago they were on the money. He also mentioned LVR having a younger brother which is the first and only time I have seen this mentioned,also a mini club he built out back. I know from research that LVR was a DJ at one time before NH dissapeared and he has a disco in his house,which was confirmed during the MJ bust.
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Lorenzo has a business partner, paul broughm, and they run stuff together....lorenzo also has a redlight distirct tour businees in Aruba that lets you pay $50 and get either incall or outcall prostitutes....Jurine may have advanced his business model a step or two by giving people an already prone rape victim. Paul Broughm sees to be the brains behind all of Lorenzo's business ventures, and I'm sure he's a redwings fan, becase he is from Michigan. Once when running a google search on: mr pink aruba porn, the first thing that came up was the "Holiday Inn". It may be nothing, but it gave me a chill. It is said thay broughm does some film shooting at Lorenzo's raves. It is said that Steve Croes was an extra cameraman for Mr.Pink on several occasions. It is "rumored" that they make under-aged snuff videos on a commission basis, mostly with young latin girls. I really wold like to meet Lorenzo face to face and get a feel for all these rumors, Its hard to believe, but when you get it from an fbi file what can you argue?
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Proudredneck, the dayshift is here!!! Lorenzo is not PVDS's ill. Lorenzo's dad commited suicide (if that's what you want to call "suspicious death)a long time ago and I don't see why this should be brought up on this board (give the people some privacy, show respect). Billy posted : Lorenzo also has a redlight distirct tour businees in Aruba that lets you pay $50 and get either incall or outcall prostitutes. YEs..BUT THAT IS ANOTHER LORENZO!!! Darn you people love gossip more then my old granny over her tea!!!
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« Reply #462 on: February 16, 2008, 04:25:10 PM »

The dead body found in Nevada is that of the missing college co-ed.    I hope they will find the perpetrator soon.  There is just wayyyyy, wayyyy too much of that going on.
Thanks for the update, Tyler. I am so sorry to hear that news.  Crying or Very sad
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« Reply #463 on: February 16, 2008, 04:46:23 PM »

Tylergal has such a way with words. When I think of her, it is in a very English chair in a rose garden, wearing a sun hat while she is reading a leatherbound book.   
 
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« Reply #464 on: February 16, 2008, 04:46:42 PM »

I question the character of the friends that Bram Moszkowicz keeps but ... Moszkowicz is not intimated by the "powers that be" in the Netherlands.  He has no fear to say it how he sees it.

As usual ... I will give Beth the benefit of my doubt.  I trust that she has professinal sources who are looking out for her well being. 

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http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/02/calls_for_inquiry_into_moszkow.php

Calls for inquiry into Moszkowicz affair
Tuesday 20 February 2007

The deputy president of the Amsterdam court has called for an independent inquiry into the affair around top defence lawyer Bram Moszkowicz who announced yesterday that he is no longer able to defend crime boss suspect Willem Holleeder because of the publicity surrounding the case.

Moszkowicz has been the centre of media attention for the past week because of his relationship with Holleeder, whom he has known for 20 years.


Huub Willems told NOS tv on Monday evening that it was ‘unacceptable’ that a lawyer felt forced to stop defending his client. Willemsa said he is not interested who was to blame for the decision but wants the affair investigated ‘from top to bottom’.

Moszkowicz launched a passionate and furious attack against the media, the justice system, politicians and the public prosecution service at a packed press conference on Monday afternoon. He claimed there has been a conscious attempt to discredit him so that he could no longer represent Holleeder, a charge denied in reactions by the justice department and the media.

Thomas Bruning of the journalists union NVJ said Moszkowicz’s attack on the media was ‘regretful’ but that it came from his ‘frustration’ at having lost his legal case against Jort Kelder, editor of Quote. Last week a judge ruled that Kelder was within his rights when he called Moszkowicz and Holleeder ‘mafia buddies’.

Yesterday Kelder said he was shocked by the lawyer’s personal attack on him during the press conference. Kelder said he had only being doing his job as a journalist and denied Moszkowicz’s suggestion that he was involved in a conspiracy against him.

Christian Democrat MP Sybrand van Haersma Buma too said he did not understand Moszkowicz’s criticism of him during Monday’s press conference. ‘I did my work and asked how it was possible that a suspect accused of serious crimes could give an interview from a heavily guarded prison,’ he told ANP in a reaction.

The MP was referring to an interview last month which Holleeder gave to crime reporter John van den Heuvel. ‘Not every criminal can plea his case for five minutes on the radio,’ added Van Haersma Buma.

During his press conference, Moszkowicz said he was shocked that MPs had found it necessary to get involved with the case. He could not understand that Holleeder could be portrayed as a ‘monster’ by the media but not be allowed to give a reaction.

Holleeder, who was released from prison in 1992 after serving five years for kidnapping beer boss Freddy Heineken, is accused of blackmailing several real estate magnates. He is also being investigated in relation to several gangland killings.

Moszkowicz says he has serious doubts as to whether it is possible for Holleeder to get a fair trial in the Netherlands.

Holleeder’s defence is to be taken over by defence lawyer Jan-Hein Kuijpers. The trial is due to start in April.

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« Reply #465 on: February 16, 2008, 04:58:35 PM »

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/dutch_lawyer_looks_into_natale.php

Dutch lawyer looks into Natalee civil case
Saturday 16 February 2008


Dutch lawyer Bram Moszkowicz has been asked by the mother of missing US teenager Natalee Holloway to investigate launching a civil case against Joran van der Sloot, the top lawyer told TV show Nova on Friday night.

Moszkowicz said Beth Twitty had asked him to look into whether Van der Sloot was guilty of commiting an ‘unlawful act’ which could lead to a financial claim against him.

Her decision to bring in Moszkowicz follows the decision by the court of appeal on Curacao not to re-arrest Van der Sloot in connection with the girl’s disappearance, the lawyer said.

The court ruled that the secret recordings of Van der Sloot confessing he was with the girl when he died and that he had asked a friend to dispose of her body did not consitute enough new evidence. Van der Sloot has twice been arrested and released.

The court also said it did not rule out Van der Sloot suffering from some sort of personality disorder, making his statements less believable, the Telegraaf reported. However the Aruban public prosecution department is continuing to investigate his role in the girl’s disappearance, the Telegraaf said on Saturday.
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« Reply #466 on: February 16, 2008, 04:59:38 PM »

I question the character of the friends that Bram Moszkowicz keeps but ... Moszkowicz is not intimated by the "powers that be" in the Netherlands.  He has no fear to say it how he sees it.

As usual ... I will give Beth the benefit of my doubt.  I trust that she has professinal sources who are looking out for her well being. 

Janet


http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/02/calls_for_inquiry_into_moszkow.php

Calls for inquiry into Moszkowicz affair
Tuesday 20 February 2007

The deputy president of the Amsterdam court has called for an independent inquiry into the affair around top defence lawyer Bram Moszkowicz who announced yesterday that he is no longer able to defend crime boss suspect Willem Holleeder because of the publicity surrounding the case.

Moszkowicz has been the centre of media attention for the past week because of his relationship with Holleeder, whom he has known for 20 years.


Huub Willems told NOS tv on Monday evening that it was ‘unacceptable’ that a lawyer felt forced to stop defending his client. Willemsa said he is not interested who was to blame for the decision but wants the affair investigated ‘from top to bottom’.

Moszkowicz launched a passionate and furious attack against the media, the justice system, politicians and the public prosecution service at a packed press conference on Monday afternoon. He claimed there has been a conscious attempt to discredit him so that he could no longer represent Holleeder, a charge denied in reactions by the justice department and the media.

Thomas Bruning of the journalists union NVJ said Moszkowicz’s attack on the media was ‘regretful’ but that it came from his ‘frustration’ at having lost his legal case against Jort Kelder, editor of Quote. Last week a judge ruled that Kelder was within his rights when he called Moszkowicz and Holleeder ‘mafia buddies’.

Yesterday Kelder said he was shocked by the lawyer’s personal attack on him during the press conference. Kelder said he had only being doing his job as a journalist and denied Moszkowicz’s suggestion that he was involved in a conspiracy against him.

Christian Democrat MP Sybrand van Haersma Buma too said he did not understand Moszkowicz’s criticism of him during Monday’s press conference. ‘I did my work and asked how it was possible that a suspect accused of serious crimes could give an interview from a heavily guarded prison,’ he told ANP in a reaction.

The MP was referring to an interview last month which Holleeder gave to crime reporter John van den Heuvel. ‘Not every criminal can plea his case for five minutes on the radio,’ added Van Haersma Buma.

During his press conference, Moszkowicz said he was shocked that MPs had found it necessary to get involved with the case. He could not understand that Holleeder could be portrayed as a ‘monster’ by the media but not be allowed to give a reaction.

Holleeder, who was released from prison in 1992 after serving five years for kidnapping beer boss Freddy Heineken, is accused of blackmailing several real estate magnates. He is also being investigated in relation to several gangland killings.

Moszkowicz says he has serious doubts as to whether it is possible for Holleeder to get a fair trial in the Netherlands.

Holleeder’s defence is to be taken over by defence lawyer Jan-Hein Kuijpers. The trial is due to start in April.



yes that, was very big news.
he called a press conference and it was broadcasted live.
that's pretty unusual because we don't have 24/7 news networks like cnn, fox news.
he also disagreed with a judge in strong terms. that is kind of not-done.
there is a lot more to say about Moszkowicz. don't know if he will be able to win the claims.
but i think the strategy is more to keep it in the news.
so finally politicians will have enough of it and start to act on it.
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« Reply #467 on: February 16, 2008, 05:00:17 PM »

(Translation)
Innig separated powers
Published: June 6, 2006 00:00 | Modified: February 7, 2008 14:44
Our correspondent Miriam Sluis
Aruban opposition parties are concerned about the public ministry. The apron to the separation of legislative, executive and judicial power.

Oranjestad, June 6. An interview with the Aruban Attorney General (PG)-Theresa Croes Fernandes has been excluded, let's press officer and daughter Mariaine Croes know. Since the negative publicity surrounding the disappearance of the American teenager Natalee Holloway, the Aruban public prosecutor (OM) concluded a bunker. Mails and calls are barely answered.

That is not only difficult for the press. Aruban opposition parties are concerned about the functioning of the PPS in the small-scale society of 100,000 islanders. Not so much in connection with the Holloway case, which is one of the few issues where the general interest of Aruba precedence over the party, but the opposition parties are worried about the trias politica, or the separation of legislative, executive and judicial power, on Aruba.

In the parliamentary elections of September 2005 won the political party Movimiento Electoral di Pueblo (MEP) 11 of the 21 Statenzetels, MEP for a second consecutive time with an absolute majority in power. A unique phenomenon in the Aruban politics, which in 1986 obtained after the separate status of autonomous country within the kingdom, but coalitions were in power.

But the alleenheerschappij has dangerous traits, the opposition. Thus refused PG-Croes Fernandes an investigation into the case of three Dominican women of Minister Rudy Croes (Justice, MEP) received a residence permit and then be deployed in his election campaign. Reason for party leader Mike Eman of the Aruban People's Party (AVP), MEP's nemesis, in order to publicly question the objectivity of the PG.

It was Eman, and the Aruban newspaper Diario that his statements published in a lawsuit brought by the PG States. At the end of March the judge ruled, however, that there was no question of defamation and freedom of expression, including in Aruba, is paramount. Until displeasure of the PG, they went on appeal. MEP distributed a communique in which the "stinking verdict of the Dutch court" was a reference to the trash.

It is not the first time that the trias politica on Aruba to debate. Ten years ago - in the time that the then VVD party leader Frits Bolkestein Aruba as "roversnest" order - did commission-De Ruiter investigation into the criminal law enforcement on the island. The occasion was an insoluble conflict between the Aruban politietop and the Netherlands coming from PG Jan Zwinkels.

The committee was urged to take the Aruban OM merge with those for the West Indies, so that a combined OM, with an Attorney General, would arise. In addition, it was recommended that the position of the PG compared to government and to politietop expired. That is hardly the case, the combined OM is not. Instead, Minister Rudy Croes calls now that instead of the current Common Court of the Dutch Antilles and Aruba, an Aruban own Court.

Curacao and St. Maarten want to mid-2007 to correct a separate status Aruban example, each containing a central bank, its own currency, its own Court and its own PG. That is according to Minister Alexander Pechtold (Koninkrijksrelaties, D66) is not at issue. Also Minister Piet Hein Donner (Justice, CDA) warned in January during a lecture on Curaçao that the West must be careful not to be vrijstaten anarchist. Yet had the Antillean Minister for Constitutional Affairs, Ronald Duncan, a month ago that the judiciary in the new state form no koninkrijksaangelegenheid, either from the Netherlands driven thing,.

A missed opportunity, find parliamentarian Rudy Lampe. Since the elections his party RED occupied a seat in the States "I do not understand that the Netherlands is not critical to the development of Aruba looks," says Lampe. "Organized crime is trying to small-scale islands as a first justice to his hand. The judicial policy is simply a failure, why not Netherlands learns from the mistakes that were made here? "

But according MEP group Ady Thijsen is absolutely no question of a wrong policy. Thijsen, who is also a lawyer, is in principle for the proposed by Minister Croes own Aruban Court. That Dutch judges, now as a technical bijstanders short-term contracts with most the Joint Court of the Antilles and Aruba included, would be less corrupt than their Aruban colleagues will urge him not.

"That the small scale of society," says Thijsen, "it harder for Aruban judges makes for independence, I do not agree. Who guarantees me that someone from Limburg or more integrity than a Arubaan? "

http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article341437.ece/Innig_gescheiden_machten
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« Reply #468 on: February 16, 2008, 05:01:17 PM »

Moscowitz does nt do much civil suits. he is a "strafpleiter". dont know the english word for that
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« Reply #469 on: February 16, 2008, 05:01:54 PM »

I question the character of the friends that Bram Moszkowicz keeps but ... Moszkowicz is not intimated by the "powers that be" in the Netherlands.  He has no fear to say it how he sees it.

As usual ... I will give Beth the benefit of my doubt.  I trust that she has professinal sources who are looking out for her well being. 

Janet


http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/02/calls_for_inquiry_into_moszkow.php

Calls for inquiry into Moszkowicz affair
Tuesday 20 February 2007

The deputy president of the Amsterdam court has called for an independent inquiry into the affair around top defence lawyer Bram Moszkowicz who announced yesterday that he is no longer able to defend crime boss suspect Willem Holleeder because of the publicity surrounding the case.

Moszkowicz has been the centre of media attention for the past week because of his relationship with Holleeder, whom he has known for 20 years.


Huub Willems told NOS tv on Monday evening that it was ‘unacceptable’ that a lawyer felt forced to stop defending his client. Willemsa said he is not interested who was to blame for the decision but wants the affair investigated ‘from top to bottom’.

Moszkowicz launched a passionate and furious attack against the media, the justice system, politicians and the public prosecution service at a packed press conference on Monday afternoon. He claimed there has been a conscious attempt to discredit him so that he could no longer represent Holleeder, a charge denied in reactions by the justice department and the media.

Thomas Bruning of the journalists union NVJ said Moszkowicz’s attack on the media was ‘regretful’ but that it came from his ‘frustration’ at having lost his legal case against Jort Kelder, editor of Quote. Last week a judge ruled that Kelder was within his rights when he called Moszkowicz and Holleeder ‘mafia buddies’.

Yesterday Kelder said he was shocked by the lawyer’s personal attack on him during the press conference. Kelder said he had only being doing his job as a journalist and denied Moszkowicz’s suggestion that he was involved in a conspiracy against him.

Christian Democrat MP Sybrand van Haersma Buma too said he did not understand Moszkowicz’s criticism of him during Monday’s press conference. ‘I did my work and asked how it was possible that a suspect accused of serious crimes could give an interview from a heavily guarded prison,’ he told ANP in a reaction.

The MP was referring to an interview last month which Holleeder gave to crime reporter John van den Heuvel. ‘Not every criminal can plea his case for five minutes on the radio,’ added Van Haersma Buma.

During his press conference, Moszkowicz said he was shocked that MPs had found it necessary to get involved with the case. He could not understand that Holleeder could be portrayed as a ‘monster’ by the media but not be allowed to give a reaction.

Holleeder, who was released from prison in 1992 after serving five years for kidnapping beer boss Freddy Heineken, is accused of blackmailing several real estate magnates. He is also being investigated in relation to several gangland killings.

Moszkowicz says he has serious doubts as to whether it is possible for Holleeder to get a fair trial in the Netherlands.

Holleeder’s defence is to be taken over by defence lawyer Jan-Hein Kuijpers. The trial is due to start in April.




Here's a video of that 'dramatic' press-conference where Brammetje announces he has to end the defense of NL's (alleged) biggest criminal Willem Holleeder because Brammetje supposedly had become to close a friend to him. (Holleeder in the past for example kidnapped beermagnate Freddy Heineken for a ransom of millions of nl-guilders.) http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-8238109514641547943
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« Reply #470 on: February 16, 2008, 05:08:09 PM »

Moscowitz does nt do much civil suits. he is a "strafpleiter". dont know the english word for that

Could strafpleiter = prosecuting attorney

Does he usually represent the suspect or the victim?  If the suspect then he would be a defense attorney, if the victim then he would be a prosecuting attorney.
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« Reply #471 on: February 16, 2008, 05:11:12 PM »

In August, 2006 ... Natalee's mother implied that justice was not going to come out of Aruba.  Beth was devastated when the New York lawsuit filed against Joran and Paulus van der Sloot by her and Dave was dismissed.

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Lawsuit Against Van Der Sloot Dismissed, Natalee Holloway Never Found
MONTGOMERY, Ala., Aug. 5, 2006


(CBS/AP) The mother of a Mountain Brook, Ala., teen who disappeared more than a year ago in Aruba said she was "crushed" by the dismissal of the lawsuit filed in New York against the Dutch teen last seen with her daughter.

"That was our only and last shot for justice," said Beth Twitty, mother of Natalee Holloway.

Twitty said she knew the case filed in New York State Supreme Court against Joran van der Sloot was a long shot, but the family took a chance.

"Until you hear that door closed you hang onto hope," Twitty said.

On The Early Show Monday, Twitty told co-anchor Rene Syler, "We knew (the suit that was tossed) was a longshot from the beginning, but it's just hard to know what direction (to go in) and what to do when you have a victim of a crime in a foreign country. It's groundbreaking territory, for everyone, and we feel as if we have to try these avenues.

" ... I don't really know what we'll do from here. ... Now I think what we're moving into is a larger picture than Natalie. Natalie represents crimes outside our border, and also represents, to me, the challenges that a family will face should they find themselves victims of a crime in a foreign country."

To watch the Syler interview, click here.

The case claimed van der Sloot, who was 18 at the time, was responsible for Holloway's disappearance and sought unspecified damages. Van der Sloot, who has maintained his innocence, was last seen leaving a bar with Holloway, then 18, before she vanished May 30, 2005. He and two friends were arrested a later on suspicion of involvement in her disappearance, but were released.

Twitty said she will be speaking with the attorney that filed the lawsuit, but said this case was seen as the best legal option.
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« Reply #472 on: February 16, 2008, 05:13:29 PM »

Moscowitz does nt do much civil suits. he is a "strafpleiter". dont know the english word for that

Could strafpleiter = prosecuting attorney

Does he usually represent the suspect or the victim?  If the suspect then he would be a defense attorney, if the victim then he would be a prosecuting attorney.



Strafpleiter is 'crime-lawyer' so in crime cases he defends the bad guy.
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« Reply #473 on: February 16, 2008, 05:14:08 PM »

i have looked it up in the dictionary:
strafpleiter = criminal lawyer or trial lawyer
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« Reply #474 on: February 16, 2008, 05:14:54 PM »

Were all the MB teens staying at the HI?  Did any have rooms at other hotels?  Anyone?


I think so. At least they were all booked there, I think.

Thanks. I was wondering if any of the kids had rooms at the Marriott.
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« Reply #475 on: February 16, 2008, 05:15:31 PM »

I question the character of the friends that Bram Moszkowicz keeps but ... Moszkowicz is not intimated by the "powers that be" in the Netherlands.  He has no fear to say it how he sees it.

As usual ... I will give Beth the benefit of my doubt.  I trust that she has professinal sources who are looking out for her well being. 

Janet


http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/02/calls_for_inquiry_into_moszkow.php

Calls for inquiry into Moszkowicz affair
Tuesday 20 February 2007

The deputy president of the Amsterdam court has called for an independent inquiry into the affair around top defence lawyer Bram Moszkowicz who announced yesterday that he is no longer able to defend crime boss suspect Willem Holleeder because of the publicity surrounding the case.

Moszkowicz has been the centre of media attention for the past week because of his relationship with Holleeder, whom he has known for 20 years.


Huub Willems told NOS tv on Monday evening that it was ‘unacceptable’ that a lawyer felt forced to stop defending his client. Willemsa said he is not interested who was to blame for the decision but wants the affair investigated ‘from top to bottom’.

Moszkowicz launched a passionate and furious attack against the media, the justice system, politicians and the public prosecution service at a packed press conference on Monday afternoon. He claimed there has been a conscious attempt to discredit him so that he could no longer represent Holleeder, a charge denied in reactions by the justice department and the media.

Thomas Bruning of the journalists union NVJ said Moszkowicz’s attack on the media was ‘regretful’ but that it came from his ‘frustration’ at having lost his legal case against Jort Kelder, editor of Quote. Last week a judge ruled that Kelder was within his rights when he called Moszkowicz and Holleeder ‘mafia buddies’.

Yesterday Kelder said he was shocked by the lawyer’s personal attack on him during the press conference. Kelder said he had only being doing his job as a journalist and denied Moszkowicz’s suggestion that he was involved in a conspiracy against him.

Christian Democrat MP Sybrand van Haersma Buma too said he did not understand Moszkowicz’s criticism of him during Monday’s press conference. ‘I did my work and asked how it was possible that a suspect accused of serious crimes could give an interview from a heavily guarded prison,’ he told ANP in a reaction.

The MP was referring to an interview last month which Holleeder gave to crime reporter John van den Heuvel. ‘Not every criminal can plea his case for five minutes on the radio,’ added Van Haersma Buma.

During his press conference, Moszkowicz said he was shocked that MPs had found it necessary to get involved with the case. He could not understand that Holleeder could be portrayed as a ‘monster’ by the media but not be allowed to give a reaction.

Holleeder, who was released from prison in 1992 after serving five years for kidnapping beer boss Freddy Heineken, is accused of blackmailing several real estate magnates. He is also being investigated in relation to several gangland killings.

Moszkowicz says he has serious doubts as to whether it is possible for Holleeder to get a fair trial in the Netherlands.

Holleeder’s defence is to be taken over by defence lawyer Jan-Hein Kuijpers. The trial is due to start in April.




Here's a video of that 'dramatic' press-conference where Brammetje announces he has to end the defense of NL's (alleged) biggest criminal Willem Holleeder because Brammetje supposedly had become to close a friend to him. (Holleeder in the past for example kidnapped beermagnate Freddy Heineken for a ransom of millions of nl-guilders.)

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-8238109514641547943

Thank you Robert.

Robert ... I want to take the opportunity to convey my appreciation for all your translations but ... the translation of the P&W interview with Peter Devries and the VDS' was nothing short of incredible.

Thanks again.

Janet
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« Reply #476 on: February 16, 2008, 05:17:22 PM »

http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/

here is a directory from the suriname police corps.
it covers international news. most of it news around caribbean, mainly the dutch islands.
from all kinds of sources, blogs, newspapers, and more.

i am sure most of the articles you've already read and translated.
but you never know.

i just do searches on rudy croes, he comes up in many articles on that site.
croes got involved a lot with the OM and investigation.
but that's not the task of a justice minister only if special measures need to be taken.

trias politica again - just like what the opposition (AVP) is complaining about.
maybe we have to be glad in some way that the higher court is on curaçao, not on aruba as well. don't know.
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« Reply #477 on: February 16, 2008, 05:20:54 PM »

Was Natalee Holloway Drugged?
Medical Experts Tell ABC News Alabama Teen May Have Been Drugged


http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4295570&page=1

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"When GHB [gamma hydroxy butyrate] was at its peak use, 10 years ago, [convulsions] would be a commonly reported thing," Doering said, adding that witnesses to GHB overdoses described a person as "looking like he was dead, and then, scarily, he would start shaking like a mackerel on the deck of a fishing boat."

Doering, like all medical experts who spoke to ABC News, cautioned that their impressions were entirely speculative and that without a body to examine it would be impossible to determine definitively what happened.

Holloway's father, Dave, said he's always suspected that she was given a date rape drug before she disappeared.

"The first thing that was told to me by the lead detective on the case when this first happened was that when you go to Carlos N Charlie's [the nightclub where Van der Sloot said he met Holloway], watch your drink, because people have a tendency to put stuff in them. He even indicated to me that he puts on a presentation at the local schools on a monthly basis, warning students about the dangers of date rape drugs."
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« Reply #478 on: February 16, 2008, 05:22:08 PM »

Tamikosmom / Janet

Thanks for your compliment! You're welcome.
I know - and see - how you all are interested in this whole 'drama' and I'm glad I can show you some of what's going on in the NL's in the hope that encourages you somewhat to keep going on. And by your reactions I can see that you indeed appriciate most of it so... again I'm glad I can help you.
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« Reply #479 on: February 16, 2008, 05:23:33 PM »

(Translation)
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Published: June 6, 2006 00:00 | Modified: February 7, 2008 14:44
Our correspondent Miriam Sluis
Aruban opposition parties are concerned about the public ministry. The apron to the separation of legislative, executive and judicial power.

Oranjestad, June 6. An interview with the Aruban Attorney General (PG)-Theresa Croes Fernandes has been excluded, let's press officer and daughter Mariaine Croes know. Since the negative publicity surrounding the disappearance of the American teenager Natalee Holloway, the Aruban public prosecutor (OM) concluded a bunker. Mails and calls are barely answered.

That is not only difficult for the press. Aruban opposition parties are concerned about the functioning of the PPS in the small-scale society of 100,000 islanders. Not so much in connection with the Holloway case, which is one of the few issues where the general interest of Aruba precedence over the party, but the opposition parties are worried about the trias politica, or the separation of legislative, executive and judicial power, on Aruba.

In the parliamentary elections of September 2005 won the political party Movimiento Electoral di Pueblo (MEP) 11 of the 21 Statenzetels, MEP for a second consecutive time with an absolute majority in power. A unique phenomenon in the Aruban politics, which in 1986 obtained after the separate status of autonomous country within the kingdom, but coalitions were in power.

But the alleenheerschappij has dangerous traits, the opposition. Thus refused PG-Croes Fernandes an investigation into the case of three Dominican women of Minister Rudy Croes (Justice, MEP) received a residence permit and then be deployed in his election campaign. Reason for party leader Mike Eman of the Aruban People's Party (AVP), MEP's nemesis, in order to publicly question the objectivity of the PG.

It was Eman, and the Aruban newspaper Diario that his statements published in a lawsuit brought by the PG States. At the end of March the judge ruled, however, that there was no question of defamation and freedom of expression, including in Aruba, is paramount. Until displeasure of the PG, they went on appeal. MEP distributed a communique in which the "stinking verdict of the Dutch court" was a reference to the trash.

It is not the first time that the trias politica on Aruba to debate. Ten years ago - in the time that the then VVD party leader Frits Bolkestein Aruba as "roversnest" order - did commission-De Ruiter investigation into the criminal law enforcement on the island. The occasion was an insoluble conflict between the Aruban politietop and the Netherlands coming from PG Jan Zwinkels.

The committee was urged to take the Aruban OM merge with those for the West Indies, so that a combined OM, with an Attorney General, would arise. In addition, it was recommended that the position of the PG compared to government and to politietop expired. That is hardly the case, the combined OM is not. Instead, Minister Rudy Croes calls now that instead of the current Common Court of the Dutch Antilles and Aruba, an Aruban own Court.

Curacao and St. Maarten want to mid-2007 to correct a separate status Aruban example, each containing a central bank, its own currency, its own Court and its own PG. That is according to Minister Alexander Pechtold (Koninkrijksrelaties, D66) is not at issue. Also Minister Piet Hein Donner (Justice, CDA) warned in January during a lecture on Curaçao that the West must be careful not to be vrijstaten anarchist. Yet had the Antillean Minister for Constitutional Affairs, Ronald Duncan, a month ago that the judiciary in the new state form no koninkrijksaangelegenheid, either from the Netherlands driven thing,.

A missed opportunity, find parliamentarian Rudy Lampe. Since the elections his party RED occupied a seat in the States "I do not understand that the Netherlands is not critical to the development of Aruba looks," says Lampe. "Organized crime is trying to small-scale islands as a first justice to his hand. The judicial policy is simply a failure, why not Netherlands learns from the mistakes that were made here? "

But according MEP group Ady Thijsen is absolutely no question of a wrong policy. Thijsen, who is also a lawyer, is in principle for the proposed by Minister Croes own Aruban Court. That Dutch judges, now as a technical bijstanders short-term contracts with most the Joint Court of the Antilles and Aruba included, would be less corrupt than their Aruban colleagues will urge him not.

"That the small scale of society," says Thijsen, "it harder for Aruban judges makes for independence, I do not agree. Who guarantees me that someone from Limburg or more integrity than a Arubaan? "

http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article341437.ece/Innig_gescheiden_machten

that's an important article. to understand - Croes / OM / higher court / aruban politics / dutch politics!
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