Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[Tylergal]

This is for you, Klaasen.  It says exactly what you said but keeps you under the radar.

 De gustibus non est disputandum

[Bearlyhere]

We could send the media a PP presentation, short and to the point with "hotlinks" to SM forum pages that reference the detail if they choose to read.

Klaas, I was thinking along the same lines.

At each point write something like:

   While being taped in the back of the police van Deepak Kalpoe said, "your own father"*

Have the your own father highlighted where you can click on it, and the click sends you to the whole document where the statement came from.  Have it (your own father) highlighted on the statement for easier access to the quote. 

This way it will be nice and neat on the list page and each point will be documented by the whole statement and no one will have to go searching through the whole statement to find what they are looking for.

[klaasend]

We could send the media a PP presentation, short and to the point with "hotlinks" to SM forum pages that reference the detail if they choose to read.

Klaas, I was thinking along the same lines.

At each point write something like:

   While being taped in the back of the police van Deepak Kalpoe said, "your own father"*

Have the your own father highlighted where you can click on it, and the click sends you to the whole document where the statement came from.  Have it (your own father) highlighted on the statement for easier access to the quote. 

This way it will be nice and neat on the list page and each point will be documented by the whole statement and no one will have to go searching through the whole statement to find what they are looking for.

Exactly    It will take some time to do it right but will work out better IMO.

[klaasend]

This is for you, Klaasen.  It says exactly what you said but keeps you under the radar.

 De gustibus non est disputandum

Took me a while to figure out it was Latin 

[Tylergal]

This is for you, Klaasen.  It says exactly what you said but keeps you under the radar.

 De gustibus non est disputandum

Took me a while to figure out it was Latin 

While my kids were young, but old enough to understand, or before they started taking foreign language and learned more than we, I would take them shopping and bring their purchases home of their choosing, and he we would look at me and say that.  The kids had no idea until they were about 6th grade and figured out it might not be good.  Thereafter, they were taking foreign language and if they came home with a purchase they knew I would disapprove of, they would say before you see it, Mom, remember....de gustibus non est disputandum."

[Tylergal]

This is for you, Klaasen.  It says exactly what you said but keeps you under the radar.

 De gustibus non est disputandum

Took me a while to figure out it was Latin 

While my kids were young, but old enough to understand, or before they started taking foreign language and learned more than we, I would take them shopping and bring their purchases home of their choosing, and he we would look at me and say that.  The kids had no idea until they were about 6th grade and figured out it might not be good.  Thereafter, they were taking foreign language and if they came home with a purchase they knew I would disapprove of, they would say before you see it, Mom, remember....de gustibus non est disputandum."

Well, I really screwed that up but I think you understand what I was saying.  DH wanted me to make him a snack.  He is helping out with the tornado thing today, and was in a hurry to run to someplace else and was pushing me to make him a sandwich. 

[Bearlyhere]

We could send the media a PP presentation, short and to the point with "hotlinks" to SM forum pages that reference the detail if they choose to read.

Klaas, I was thinking along the same lines.

At each point write something like:

   While being taped in the back of the police van Deepak Kalpoe said, "your own father"*

Have the your own father highlighted where you can click on it, and the click sends you to the whole document where the statement came from.  Have it (your own father) highlighted on the document for easier access to the quote. 

This way it will be nice and neat on the list page and each point will be documented by the whole statement and no one will have to go searching through the whole statement to find what they are looking for.

Exactly    It will take some time to do it right but will work out better IMO.

Editing my post above to be consistent (changing statement to document).

One other thing I would suggest is adding a date to the statement on (I'll call it the cover page).  Like this:

Cover page
  Source, situation, date, statement (with key words highlighted and clickable),*

Goes to:

Document:
Key words highlighted (you may also want this clickable so that it goes back to the cover page for the reader to be able to continue where they left off.)

[Peaches]

CBB,

My only concern is making it short enough that people in the media will actually read it!  We could fill reams and volumes but I fear they will zone out if presented with too much.

Also the only other thing I can think of is that I think it is important to stay away from third-party statements and hearsay as much as possible as I don't believe reputable journalists and those we want to read it would find that credible.  Like the rules for taping conversation, at least one involved party for use as a source.

But basically that is my only concern, how to address the Short Attention Span factor.  Don't have a clue how to do that, either, but am thinking. 

How to squeeze 5,000 words into 300.

Don't guess "Joran did it; Paulus helped!" would work, either.   

That is what I see as the greatest challenge but with everyone working on it, I know we will figure it out.

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And I agree even though my post got side tracked. We need to list only the most obvious instances with the highest degree of credibility. Probably 10 events?

I'd try to get it on one page but that's just me.......

[Anna]

I know what a job it is for MsMarple to do those summaries for the Murder & Crime thread and so am reluctant to suggest too much for someone else to do.

However. . . .I think the idea with the clickable links sounds great but I will support anything anyone is willing to do out of gratitude for their work.

I was also thinking of a print out sheet, only one page for short attention span, with highlights.

That should be easy to make via copy and paste from the original PPP as suggested above.

I am thinking of something to mail maybe to newspapers or politicians or just anybody one might want to know about this.  Might also be a good way to get them to go online and look at a larger document.

But these things usually work themselves out, the details, as one goes along so just thinking outloud and not proposing more work. 

Exposing the corruption also goes a long way toward explaining why so many of us support a boycott.  It's certainly not just because we are mean as is usually suggested.  If people understand the problem, they may well also understand that reaction to it.

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[sb]

Can not use the Interpol...their is a direct link in the ALE ....that link can be contaminated.

Hi all,

Get to be on here a little this morning, for a change...

That statement does not surprise me in the least.

Interpol is firmly in the grasp of the euro-elites who are profiting from the corruption trade on happy-isle. They make a good show of going after child pornography and the like, but the bottom line is what counts. Those creeps like Mr. Pink are there for the taking by any legitimate law enforcement/investigative organization, yet Interpol has barely made a dent in it... BECAUSE THEY AND THEIR HANDLERS DON'T WANT TO.

The ones behind all this would gladly serve Joran up on a silver platter but for his connections, and fear that somehow the magnitude of the corruption that controls the Dutch Caribbean will be exposed.

[EURobert]

Hi Blogmonks,

You were talking about lawyer Moszkowicz the other day; the lawyer that assists Beth in her civil complaint against JvdS.
I just remembered that Moszkowicz and his father (a high profile lawyer as well) featered in a commercial some time ago. One of a series of very funny commercials from an insurance-company with their slogan 'Even Apeldoorn bellen!' (Something like: Have to call to Apeldoorn for a minute.')
Just HAVE to post it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQyxU3rotk&feature=related

[crazybabyborg]

We could send the media a PP presentation, short and to the point with "hotlinks" to SM forum pages that reference the detail if they choose to read.

Klaas, I was thinking along the same lines.

At each point write something like:

   While being taped in the back of the police van Deepak Kalpoe said, "your own father"*

Have the your own father highlighted where you can click on it, and the click sends you to the whole document where the statement came from.  Have it (your own father) highlighted on the statement for easier access to the quote. 

This way it will be nice and neat on the list page and each point will be documented by the whole statement and no one will have to go searching through the whole statement to find what they are looking for.

I LOVE that suggestion!!!! That was probably what you guys were talking about all along and I just didn't "get" it. OK! I'm with you! (I know that makes your day, huh?) 

[ala_gunslinger]

We could send the media a PP presentation, short and to the point with "hotlinks" to SM forum pages that reference the detail if they choose to read.

Klaas, I was thinking along the same lines.

At each point write something like:

   While being taped in the back of the police van Deepak Kalpoe said, "your own father"*

Have the your own father highlighted where you can click on it, and the click sends you to the whole document where the statement came from.  Have it (your own father) highlighted on the statement for easier access to the quote. 

This way it will be nice and neat on the list page and each point will be documented by the whole statement and no one will have to go searching through the whole statement to find what they are looking for.

I LOVE that suggestion!!!! That was probably what you guys were talking about all along and I just didn't "get" it. OK! I'm with you! (I know that makes your day, huh?) 

Otherwise known as a 'drill down data mining' kind of thing!

[Tylergal]

Hi Blogmonks,

You were talking about lawyer Moszkowicz the other day; the lawyer that assists Beth in her civil complaint against JvdS.
I just remembered that Moszkowicz and his father (a high profile lawyer as well) featered in a commercial some time ago. One of a series of very funny commercials from an insurance-company with their slogan 'Even Apeldoorn bellen!' (Something like: Have to call to Apeldoorn for a minute.')
Just HAVE to post it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQyxU3rotk&feature=related

LOL, looks like the poor kid  was chasing (and caught) the ambulance chaser all whiplashed.

[klaasend]

Hi Blogmonks,

You were talking about lawyer Moszkowicz the other day; the lawyer that assists Beth in her civil complaint against JvdS.
I just remembered that Moszkowicz and his father (a high profile lawyer as well) featered in a commercial some time ago. One of a series of very funny commercials from an insurance-company with their slogan 'Even Apeldoorn bellen!' (Something like: Have to call to Apeldoorn for a minute.')
Just HAVE to post it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQyxU3rotk&feature=related

LOL  I saw this a couple days ago and downloaded.  What I wanted to do was take certain screens at the end and superimpose Joran's face on the kid.  Unfortunately, it appears to have some kind of block or copywrite protection that doesn't allow me to do that.  I tried everything, LOLOL

[Tylergal]

We could send the media a PP presentation, short and to the point with "hotlinks" to SM forum pages that reference the detail if they choose to read.

Klaas, I was thinking along the same lines.

At each point write something like:

   While being taped in the back of the police van Deepak Kalpoe said, "your own father"*

Have the your own father highlighted where you can click on it, and the click sends you to the whole document where the statement came from.  Have it (your own father) highlighted on the statement for easier access to the quote. 

This way it will be nice and neat on the list page and each point will be documented by the whole statement and no one will have to go searching through the whole statement to find what they are looking for.

I LOVE that suggestion!!!! That was probably what you guys were talking about all along and I just didn't "get" it. OK! I'm with you! (I know that makes your day, huh?) 

Otherwise known as a 'drill down data mining' kind of thing!

Well, I like the KISS theory (keep it simple, Sweetheart).

Gunslinger, data miners and shyster lawyers all in the same thread.  Argh.  I need to take a break.

[dennisintn]

I was just browsing through the RTL.NL site and found a set of 20 photos in the case.  Some from early in the case I hadn't seen.  Also this photo of the pay phone Joran alegedly used:



RTL.NL photo set

http://tinyurl.com/yqbctc

that phone looks awfully new to have been there in the hot sun and wind for 32 months or more.  has anyone checked to see if that's the same phone or kind of phone or even if there was a phone there when natalee was?  jvds spent time at the marriott in 2006  with his dutch girl friend, he could have just seen it then or even a later trip there, since the marriott seems to be another of his hangouts.
dennisintn

[AZSunny]

Hi Blogmonks,

You were talking about lawyer Moszkowicz the other day; the lawyer that assists Beth in her civil complaint against JvdS.
I just remembered that Moszkowicz and his father (a high profile lawyer as well) featered in a commercial some time ago. One of a series of very funny commercials from an insurance-company with their slogan 'Even Apeldoorn bellen!' (Something like: Have to call to Apeldoorn for a minute.')
Just HAVE to post it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQyxU3rotk&feature=related

That is funny!! Thanks

[Bearlyhere]

We could send the media a PP presentation, short and to the point with "hotlinks" to SM forum pages that reference the detail if they choose to read.

Klaas, I was thinking along the same lines.

At each point write something like:

   While being taped in the back of the police van Deepak Kalpoe said, "your own father"*

Have the your own father highlighted where you can click on it, and the click sends you to the whole document where the statement came from.  Have it (your own father) highlighted on the statement for easier access to the quote. 

This way it will be nice and neat on the list page and each point will be documented by the whole statement and no one will have to go searching through the whole statement to find what they are looking for.

I LOVE that suggestion!!!! That was probably what you guys were talking about all along and I just didn't "get" it. OK! I'm with you! (I know that makes your day, huh?) 

No CBB. you make my day!
 

[ala_gunslinger]

We could send the media a PP presentation, short and to the point with "hotlinks" to SM forum pages that reference the detail if they choose to read.

Klaas, I was thinking along the same lines.

At each point write something like:

   While being taped in the back of the police van Deepak Kalpoe said, "your own father"*

Have the your own father highlighted where you can click on it, and the click sends you to the whole document where the statement came from.  Have it (your own father) highlighted on the statement for easier access to the quote. 

This way it will be nice and neat on the list page and each point will be documented by the whole statement and no one will have to go searching through the whole statement to find what they are looking for.

I LOVE that suggestion!!!! That was probably what you guys were talking about all along and I just didn't "get" it. OK! I'm with you! (I know that makes your day, huh?) 

Otherwise known as a 'drill down data mining' kind of thing!

Well, I like the KISS theory (keep it simple, Sweetheart).

Gunslinger, data miners and shyster lawyers all in the same thread.  Argh.  I need to take a break.

Sounds like I do too!