Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[EURobert]

Here's another funny.  This is the real song that the one sung about Joran is a parody of.  I think it is Dutch?  Has the real English subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddVAtgSyVLo&feature=related


So naturally some joker had to translate it to English phonetically.  If any of the Dutch posters are wondering how Dutch sounds to English speakers, this translation is hilarious.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCRl5vlMk1I



For some very odd reason, I just love that song!  Such a catchy tune with a boat with such a nice name.   

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Hey Anna,

Sorry but the original song is not Dutch. I think its Danish or Swedish or something. But I agree these phoneticall 'translations' can be hilarious. What is very typical about Dutch is that we pronounce the G as if we're clearing our throats (the only other people that have that sound in their language are the Israeli's and the Arab's i think). But what's funny about that is that some American stand-up comedians that came to Holland made jokes about that like: Oh, it's so romantic when you are with a girl in a restaurant and she's talking to you and she's making sounds as if she is constantly clearing her throat! (...)

[caesu]

Here's another funny.  This is the real song that the one sung about Joran is a parody of.  I think it is Dutch?  Has the real English subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddVAtgSyVLo&feature=related


So naturally some joker had to translate it to English phonetically.  If any of the Dutch posters are wondering how Dutch sounds to English speakers, this translation is hilarious.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCRl5vlMk1I



For some very odd reason, I just love that song!  Such a catchy tune with a boat with such a nice name.   

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it is swedish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boten_Anna

i didn't know the jvds boat parody was derived from this one. 

[Nut44x4]

She lies all the time. Perhaps 1 out of every 20 lines she types is the truth. Honestly, I have never in my life seen so many people from such a small area tell so many freaking lies. It is like they make shit up as they go along. Everyone lies.....even big people lie, my ass. This is an Island population of nothing but liars. Pathetic.

MF states he/she was at C&C's on the night Natalee went missing.
Glenda states she was at Soul Beach, but had been at C&C's on Fri. and Sat. night before Natalee went missing. Someone asked if she saw Natalee on that weekend at C&C's and/or Joran.....
answer>>
Glenda posts>>
I have no Idea if I saw her, but I do remember the Sweet Home Alabama, the drinking and butt shaking contests, etc... It was something I'd never seen before in the hundred plus times I'd been there. I've been to CnC hundreds of times... This group was through the MOON!
I didn't know Joran from Adam, so I don't have a clue if he was there. ~~~~~~~~
At CnC, the bouncers took my camera at the door on Saturday Night. When I got in, I realized why.  Girls and Boys gone wild. We stayed until around 3am and the party was still going strong. Bahia and Choose a Name were also packed.

Gilligan posts>
The MBers who went to C&C's would be the hardcore drinkers who play competitive drinking games and dance. A little bit of blow or a little bit of weed, you could make a right party out of that. Probably lots of piles of puke around back of that place. So that's what all the little darlings were doing. How sweet.

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These freaks make it sound like they have never seen such partying in their lives on their one innocent island of misfits. It is just unbelievable they talk this way about the MB'ers when it is plastered all over the internet from people's webshot albums and even the club's own website galleries and radio station galleries and hundreds of other sites the mega partying that has gone on there LONG before MB'ers landed. I am sure the MB's partied...that is what they were there for, but Damnnnnnnn, they make it seem like they brought the concept to Aruba.  Lies, lies, lies.....sick of all the lies in this horrible, tragic tale. Can no one speak the truth?

[fran]

Does anyone know the length of time it would take to drive from the K2's house to where Joran was that night? Five minutes?

TIA

fran

[Tylergal]

She lies all the time. Perhaps 1 out of every 20 lines she types is the truth. Honestly, I have never in my life seen so many people from such a small area tell so many freaking lies. It is like they make shit up as they go along. Everyone lies.....even big people lie, my ass. This is an Island population of nothing but liars. Pathetic.

MF states he/she was at C&C's on the night Natalee went missing.
Glenda states she was at Soul Beach, but had been at C&C's on Fri. and Sat. night before Natalee went missing. Someone asked if she saw Natalee on that weekend at C&C's and/or Joran.....
answer>>
Glenda posts>>
I have no Idea if I saw her, but I do remember the Sweet Home Alabama, the drinking and butt shaking contests, etc... It was something I'd never seen before in the hundred plus times I'd been there. I've been to CnC hundreds of times... This group was through the MOON!
I didn't know Joran from Adam, so I don't have a clue if he was there. ~~~~~~~~
At CnC, the bouncers took my camera at the door on Saturday Night. When I got in, I realized why.  Girls and Boys gone wild. We stayed until around 3am and the party was still going strong. Bahia and Choose a Name were also packed.

Gilligan posts>
The MBers who went to C&C's would be the hardcore drinkers who play competitive drinking games and dance. A little bit of blow or a little bit of weed, you could make a right party out of that. Probably lots of piles of puke around back of that place. So that's what all the little darlings were doing. How sweet.

~~~~~~~

These freaks make it sound like they have never seen such partying in their lives on their one innocent island of misfits. It is just unbelievable they talk this way about the MB'ers when it is plastered all over the internet from people's webshot albums and even the club's own website galleries and radio station galleries and hundreds of other sites the mega partying that has gone on there LONG before MB'ers landed. I am sure the MB's partied...that is what they were there for, but Damnnnnnnn, they make it seem like they brought the concept to Aruba.  Lies, lies, lies.....sick of all the lies in this horrible, tragic tale. Can no one speak the truth?

If they were throwing up, I understand - if Julia Renfro was there -- I barely have a gag reflex, but that would do it for me.

[private eye]

It seems to me that the Kalpoe brother's were not present when Natalie died.  I think that explains why none of the three ratted the other out.  I think that the Kalpoe's were involved in some type of incriminating behavior (i.e. date rape drug) but that they didn't know what happened to Natalee.  Any thoughts?

Just waking up here but I agree about the K2's.  I think the only reason they agreed to go along with the lie was because they knew Natalee was given a drug and Joran threatened them.  I believe also that they JK2 have drugged girls together before Natalee.

I find it hard to believe the K2 could score without some kinda help.....

Well, you never know.  Desperate times call for desperate women. 

The most recent photos of Deepak and Satish after they were released as suspects got alot of attention from some of the members of RU.  A few of the RU posters were actually "swooning" over Deepak.  No accounting for taste I guess 

You forget to mention, they read in braille.

Oh you are exaggerating a little aren't you. Everyone knows ChuckieMouse swoons over any young guy:)))

[Dihannah1]

We could send the media a PP presentation, short and to the point with "hotlinks" to SM forum pages that reference the detail if they choose to read.

Klaas, I was thinking along the same lines.

At each point write something like:

   While being taped in the back of the police van Deepak Kalpoe said, "your own father"*

Have the your own father highlighted where you can click on it, and the click sends you to the whole document where the statement came from.  Have it (your own father) highlighted on the statement for easier access to the quote. 

This way it will be nice and neat on the list page and each point will be documented by the whole statement and no one will have to go searching through the whole statement to find what they are looking for.

I LOVE that suggestion!!!! That was probably what you guys were talking about all along and I just didn't "get" it. OK! I'm with you! (I know that makes your day, huh?) 

Good Afternoon Monkeys!

I have seen SO MANY wonderful ideas coming forward.  I would like to add my 2 cents FWIW.  I think it boils down to who the reader is, in the long run.  Of course no way of telling each of there tastes.   For instance,  I personally do not like having a bunch of links, forcing me to many different web pages, opening more tabs, windows, etc.  Way to time consuming  (Which is why I am so grateful when posters actually bring actual contents with link here.)   However, if somebody posts a link that get's my curiosity going, I will go look.  Considering the many stories the media covers,  I think it should be quick and to the point.  Of course,  using links could be helpful for those who really DO want to dig in and read, maybe in hopes of getting a huge news story.  I'm sure they have people on there teams who do this type of work for them too.   

So my opinion is similar to all those mentioned.   Keep it short, but informational,  enough to grab there attention in hopes they do more research if they decide to.  But also get the most pertinent info to one page, if possible.  (I also like printable pages, where I can just read, not hunt)

It is going to boil down to who the reader is, there tastes and the time they have to research.  BUT we HAVE to grab there attention immediately and make it easy somehow for them all.

[Anna]

Hey Anna,

Sorry but the original song is not Dutch. I think its Danish or Swedish or something. But I agree these phonetically 'translations' can be hilarious. What is very typical about Dutch is that we pronounce the G as if we're clearing our throats (the only other people that have that sound in their language are the Israeli's and the Arab's i think). But what's funny about that is that some American stand-up comedians that came to Holland made jokes about that like: Oh, it's so romantic when you are with a girl in a restaurant and she's talking to you and she's making sounds as if she is constantly clearing her throat! (...)

Well, I really like that song for some reason, ha ha.  Thought it might be Dutch as it seems everybody is familiar with it to do the Joran parody and Anna is a favorite Dutch name.

I am Dutch-American but my family has been in this country I think it is 7 generations, came in 1600's to New York and then later to Deep South and I live in Alabama.

Lots of Dutch and German descendants in this country and in my region.  Scottish as well.  We American are a strange hybrid mixture.  One grandfather could speak at least some Dutch and at the time I was around him before he died, it never occurred to me to try to learn.  Now I wish I had, could translate.

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[Dihannah1]

I was just browsing through the RTL.NL site and found a set of 20 photos in the case.  Some from early in the case I hadn't seen.  Also this photo of the pay phone Joran alegedly used:



RTL.NL photo set

http://tinyurl.com/yqbctc

Somebody at RU (forget who) posted that phone did not exist in 2005.  I have no idea how true that is...

that phone looks awfully new to have been there in the hot sun and wind for 32 months or more.  has anyone checked to see if that's the same phone or kind of phone or even if there was a phone there when natalee was?  jvds spent time at the marriott in 2006  with his dutch girl friend, he could have just seen it then or even a later trip there, since the marriott seems to be another of his hangouts.
dennisintn

[Anna]

Maybe Joran just walked over to the Mariott and found somebody who works there.

I mean was working there at the time.

Who could that be?   

[Tylergal]

Maybe Joran just walked over to the Mariott and found somebody who works there.

I mean was working there at the time.

Who could that be?   

do do do do do do do do do do..

[private eye]

She lies all the time. Perhaps 1 out of every 20 lines she types is the truth. Honestly, I have never in my life seen so many people from such a small area tell so many freaking lies. It is like they make shit up as they go along. Everyone lies.....even big people lie, my ass. This is an Island population of nothing but liars. Pathetic.

MF states he/she was at C&C's on the night Natalee went missing.
Glenda states she was at Soul Beach, but had been at C&C's on Fri. and Sat. night before Natalee went missing. Someone asked if she saw Natalee on that weekend at C&C's and/or Joran.....
answer>>
Glenda posts>>
I have no Idea if I saw her, but I do remember the Sweet Home Alabama, the drinking and butt shaking contests, etc... It was something I'd never seen before in the hundred plus times I'd been there. I've been to CnC hundreds of times... This group was through the MOON!
I didn't know Joran from Adam, so I don't have a clue if he was there. ~~~~~~~~
At CnC, the bouncers took my camera at the door on Saturday Night. When I got in, I realized why.  Girls and Boys gone wild. We stayed until around 3am and the party was still going strong. Bahia and Choose a Name were also packed.

Gilligan posts>
The MBers who went to C&C's would be the hardcore drinkers who play competitive drinking games and dance. A little bit of blow or a little bit of weed, you could make a right party out of that. Probably lots of piles of puke around back of that place. So that's what all the little darlings were doing. How sweet.

~~~~~~~

These freaks make it sound like they have never seen such partying in their lives on their one innocent island of misfits. It is just unbelievable they talk this way about the MB'ers when it is plastered all over the internet from people's webshot albums and even the club's own website galleries and radio station galleries and hundreds of other sites the mega partying that has gone on there LONG before MB'ers landed. I am sure the MB's partied...that is what they were there for, but Damnnnnnnn, they make it seem like they brought the concept to Aruba.  Lies, lies, lies.....sick of all the lies in this horrible, tragic tale. Can no one speak the truth?

So Rentahoe thinks she is one of the young pimps hanging out at Cand C. Well for her it is safe, as no one would want to drug an aged wore out ho for sex, and, you can't take what is free, of course her junk stinks so bad that she can't give it away, ooops, I almost didn't think about it, I bet she drugs young American boys to knock them out only she adds Viagra to the mix. Oh what a cunning and wore out ho she is.

And she thinks we want her review of an establishment? And I am sure she has not ever seen so many attractive bottoms in there. As for the shaking, put a mirror on your butt Julia and watch while you walk. Only your doesn't quite wiggle in the manner that young boys like any more huh

[CapsLockWizard]

that phone looks awfully new to have been there in the hot sun and wind for 32 months or more.  has anyone checked to see if that's the same phone or kind of phone or even if there was a phone there when natalee was?  jvds spent time at the marriott in 2006  with his dutch girl friend, he could have just seen it then or even a later trip there, since the marriott seems to be another of his hangouts.
dennisintn

I knnow when I want to make an international call, I always go outside where it is real noisy and I would have to stand up, no chair to sit in and use a credit card with lots of numbers, etc., right?

Who would want to use an outside pay phone to make international calls?  That whole concept is just plain weird! 

And I believe Peter R deVies made a local call on it, didn't he, just to prove it could be done?  Think he called the ALE from it while he was there last time. 

Anyone have any links to this?

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This stupidity was the idea of Michel Dubero, so that that Tourist can call home from anywhere via a credit card at a cost of 20.00 dollar when you see the bill from your credit card. Another type of providing someone linked to the Government with money to implement a stupid idea all over the Island and a $20.00 call for 5 min talk.

Corruption is in every corner

[hotping]

I was just browsing through the RTL.NL site and found a set of 20 photos in the case.  Some from early in the case I hadn't seen.  Also this photo of the pay phone Joran alegedly used:



RTL.NL photo set

http://tinyurl.com/yqbctc

Somebody at RU (forget who) posted that phone did not exist in 2005.  I have no idea how true that is...

that phone looks awfully new to have been there in the hot sun and wind for 32 months or more.  has anyone checked to see if that's the same phone or kind of phone or even if there was a phone there when natalee was?  jvds spent time at the marriott in 2006  with his dutch girl friend, he could have just seen it then or even a later trip there, since the marriott seems to be another of his hangouts.
dennisintn

I read the same thing at RU...if We could prove that the phone wasn't there in May 2005 ....that would prove Tacopina as a liar along with JVS.... 

[Anna]

Tyler,
Do you recall the very first story Joran was reported to have told at school?  The one to the headmaster I think it was.  And remember a poster Tsunder talked about that first day quite a bit.

He said Natalee hit her head and he swam her out to sea.  I am told that part was doable but that it would be just about impossible to swim back against the tide so don't know but that's his first version of events.

Makes me wonder if anyone helped him at all.  Jut not sure how he did it or of Paulus came to the rescue.  Art Wood seemed to hint of Paulus hiring somebody as he said something about Paulus wouldn't drive the boat in that last interview with Greta which I found strange.

There was also the rumor/theory of Paulus hiring Colombians.

This is why I can never develop a theory of my own as to what happened as so many things are possible but I do think the disposal was Joran and Paulus or one of them separately.

Why don't they just give it up and tell the truth!!!  That could end all of this.

.

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[private eye]

She lies all the time. Perhaps 1 out of every 20 lines she types is the truth. Honestly, I have never in my life seen so many people from such a small area tell so many freaking lies. It is like they make shit up as they go along. Everyone lies.....even big people lie, my ass. This is an Island population of nothing but liars. Pathetic.

MF states he/she was at C&C's on the night Natalee went missing.
Glenda states she was at Soul Beach, but had been at C&C's on Fri. and Sat. night before Natalee went missing. Someone asked if she saw Natalee on that weekend at C&C's and/or Joran.....
answer>>
Glenda posts>>
I have no Idea if I saw her, but I do remember the Sweet Home Alabama, the drinking and butt shaking contests, etc... It was something I'd never seen before in the hundred plus times I'd been there. I've been to CnC hundreds of times... This group was through the MOON!
I didn't know Joran from Adam, so I don't have a clue if he was there. ~~~~~~~~
At CnC, the bouncers took my camera at the door on Saturday Night. When I got in, I realized why.  Girls and Boys gone wild. We stayed until around 3am and the party was still going strong. Bahia and Choose a Name were also packed.

Gilligan posts>
The MBers who went to C&C's would be the hardcore drinkers who play competitive drinking games and dance. A little bit of blow or a little bit of weed, you could make a right party out of that. Probably lots of piles of puke around back of that place. So that's what all the little darlings were doing. How sweet.

~~~~~~~

These freaks make it sound like they have never seen such partying in their lives on their one innocent island of misfits. It is just unbelievable they talk this way about the MB'ers when it is plastered all over the internet from people's webshot albums and even the club's own website galleries and radio station galleries and hundreds of other sites the mega partying that has gone on there LONG before MB'ers landed. I am sure the MB's partied...that is what they were there for, but Damnnnnnnn, they make it seem like they brought the concept to Aruba.  Lies, lies, lies.....sick of all the lies in this horrible, tragic tale. Can no one speak the truth?

So Rentahoe thinks she is one of the young pimps hanging out at Cand C. Well for her it is safe, as no one would want to drug an aged wore out ho for sex, and, you can't take what is free, of course her junk stinks so bad that she can't give it away, ooops, I almost didn't think about it, I bet she drugs young American boys to knock them out only she adds Viagra to the mix. Oh what a cunning and wore out ho she is.

And she thinks we want her review of an establishment? And I am sure she has not ever seen so many attractive bottoms in there. As for the shaking, put a mirror on your butt Julia and watch while you walk. Only your doesn't quite wiggle in the manner that young boys like any more huh

Oh and Rentahoe, when you screw as many boys as you do, it is hard to tell Joran from Adam, but we have your number, you have had them all, when they were too young to care. I bet you are what drove Joran to Guido?

[klaasend]

Does anyone know the length of time it would take to drive from the K2's house to where Joran was that night? Five minutes?

TIA

fran

I believe we were told about 10-15 minutes? 

[Tylergal]

Tyler,
Do you recall the very first story Joran was reported to have told at school?  The one to the headmaster I think it was.  And remember a poster Tsunder talked about that first day quite a bit.

He said Natalee hit her head and he swam her out to sea.  I am told that part was doable but that it would be just about impossible to swim back against the tide so don't know but that's his first version of events.

Makes me wonder if anyone helped him at all.  Jut not sure how he did it or of Paulus came to the rescue.  Art Wood seemed to hint of Paulus hiring somebody as he said something about Paulus wouldn't drive the boat in that last interview with Greta which I found strange.

There was also the rumor/theory of Paulus hiring Colombians.

This is why I can never develop a theory of my own as to what happened as so many things are possible but I do think the disposal was Joran and Paulus or one of them separately.

Why don't they just give it up and tell the truth!!!  That could end all of this.

.

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Yes, I remember that is what he told the headmaster when the headmaster told him he did not need to be talking about this with the students, and I believe that was even before Anita was summoned to the school.

[caesu]

We could send the media a PP presentation, short and to the point with "hotlinks" to SM forum pages that reference the detail if they choose to read.

Klaas, I was thinking along the same lines.

At each point write something like:

   While being taped in the back of the police van Deepak Kalpoe said, "your own father"*

Have the your own father highlighted where you can click on it, and the click sends you to the whole document where the statement came from.  Have it (your own father) highlighted on the statement for easier access to the quote. 

This way it will be nice and neat on the list page and each point will be documented by the whole statement and no one will have to go searching through the whole statement to find what they are looking for.

I LOVE that suggestion!!!! That was probably what you guys were talking about all along and I just didn't "get" it. OK! I'm with you! (I know that makes your day, huh?) 

Good Afternoon Monkeys!

I have seen SO MANY wonderful ideas coming forward.  I would like to add my 2 cents FWIW.  I think it boils down to who the reader is, in the long run.  Of course no way of telling each of there tastes.   For instance,  I personally do not like having a bunch of links, forcing me to many different web pages, opening more tabs, windows, etc.  Way to time consuming  (Which is why I am so grateful when posters actually bring actual contents with link here.)   However, if somebody posts a link that get's my curiosity going, I will go look.  Considering the many stories the media covers,  I think it should be quick and to the point.  Of course,  using links could be helpful for those who really DO want to dig in and read, maybe in hopes of getting a huge news story.  I'm sure they have people on there teams who do this type of work for them too.   

So my opinion is similar to all those mentioned.   Keep it short, but informational,  enough to grab there attention in hopes they do more research if they decide to.  But also get the most pertinent info to one page, if possible.  (I also like printable pages, where I can just read, not hunt)

It is going to boil down to who the reader is, there tastes and the time they have to research.  BUT we HAVE to grab there attention immediately and make it easy somehow for them all.

totally agree!

[CapsLockWizard]

I was just browsing through the RTL.NL site and found a set of 20 photos in the case.  Some from early in the case I hadn't seen.  Also this photo of the pay phone Joran alegedly used:



RTL.NL photo set

http://tinyurl.com/yqbctc

that phone looks awfully new to have been there in the hot sun and wind for 32 months or more.  has anyone checked to see if that's the same phone or kind of phone or even if there was a phone there when natalee was?  jvds spent time at the marriott in 2006  with his dutch girl friend, he could have just seen it then or even a later trip there, since the marriott seems to be another of his hangouts.
dennisintn

Good point, Dennis.  I also would like to know what sway over the Marriott the wonky eyed Joran has that he could stay there in summer rather than at his parent's home with a girlfriend who comes from abroad.  Did he pay for all that? I feel quite sure he was not paying in cash.  Was he "laundering money?"  Or is there someone at the Marriott who in conjunction with Joran has done "some stuff together."

And why did his Mother tell him to stay away from the Marriott?

Great point.  There is some "there" there.

Maybe Mr. M. Purcell