Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[Tylergal]

I was just browsing through the RTL.NL site and found a set of 20 photos in the case.  Some from early in the case I hadn't seen.  Also this photo of the pay phone Joran alegedly used:



RTL.NL photo set

http://tinyurl.com/yqbctc

Somebody at RU (forget who) posted that phone did not exist in 2005.  I have no idea how true that is...

that phone looks awfully new to have been there in the hot sun and wind for 32 months or more.  has anyone checked to see if that's the same phone or kind of phone or even if there was a phone there when natalee was?  jvds spent time at the marriott in 2006  with his dutch girl friend, he could have just seen it then or even a later trip there, since the marriott seems to be another of his hangouts.
dennisintn

I read the same thing at RU...if We could prove that the phone wasn't there in May 2005 ....that would prove Tacopina as a liar along with JVS.... 

Now who you gonna believe Joran, RU or Taco? Lying liars and all their lying liar friends and associates who have a lying club where they make up lies and lie about their own lies.

[private eye]

She lies all the time. Perhaps 1 out of every 20 lines she types is the truth. Honestly, I have never in my life seen so many people from such a small area tell so many freaking lies. It is like they make shit up as they go along. Everyone lies.....even big people lie, my ass. This is an Island population of nothing but liars. Pathetic.

MF states he/she was at C&C's on the night Natalee went missing.
Glenda states she was at Soul Beach, but had been at C&C's on Fri. and Sat. night before Natalee went missing. Someone asked if she saw Natalee on that weekend at C&C's and/or Joran.....
answer>>
Glenda posts>>
I have no Idea if I saw her, but I do remember the Sweet Home Alabama, the drinking and butt shaking contests, etc... It was something I'd never seen before in the hundred plus times I'd been there. I've been to CnC hundreds of times... This group was through the MOON!
I didn't know Joran from Adam, so I don't have a clue if he was there. ~~~~~~~~
At CnC, the bouncers took my camera at the door on Saturday Night. When I got in, I realized why.  Girls and Boys gone wild. We stayed until around 3am and the party was still going strong. Bahia and Choose a Name were also packed.

Gilligan posts>
The MBers who went to C&C's would be the hardcore drinkers who play competitive drinking games and dance. A little bit of blow or a little bit of weed, you could make a right party out of that. Probably lots of piles of puke around back of that place. So that's what all the little darlings were doing. How sweet.

~~~~~~~

These freaks make it sound like they have never seen such partying in their lives on their one innocent island of misfits. It is just unbelievable they talk this way about the MB'ers when it is plastered all over the internet from people's webshot albums and even the club's own website galleries and radio station galleries and hundreds of other sites the mega partying that has gone on there LONG before MB'ers landed. I am sure the MB's partied...that is what they were there for, but Damnnnnnnn, they make it seem like they brought the concept to Aruba.  Lies, lies, lies.....sick of all the lies in this horrible, tragic tale. Can no one speak the truth?

If they were throwing up, I understand - if Julia Renfro was there -- I barely have a gag reflex, but that would do it for me.

They are a pretty amazing bunch of kids. They went into a backwards banana tree joint, Cand C, and made it seem as if it was the Ritz for the night and had a grand party. They definitely aren't stuck up and snotty because they never would have gone in a place with such trashy customers. Rentahoe, they are glad you got a chance to see high class folks haver a good time

[AZSunny]

amigo quote---clipped
"According to his lawyer Bert De Rooij, “Joran van der Sloot is not well off.  He is in hiding and is constantly being threatened. Whether that is in the Netherlands or in Aruba, is not known.  The lawyer said that he is not hiding for the police, but for the people’s tribunal.  He has serious reasons to believe that he won’t make it across the street if we let him go free.” Where are the keeping him?  it is like he is locked up some place

Crime journalist Peter R. de Vries is of the opinion that by not arresting Joran van der Sloot, he is being rewarded for undermining the police investigation.  He also does not understand that the Court does not want to arrest him because the Court is under the impression that Joran is a consistent liar.  “The fact that a person constantly lies in a case of life and death, is precisely a motive to keep him/her locked behind bars.”
Peter is the only one making any sense in this investigation.

[EURobert]

Hi Blogmonks,

You were talking about lawyer Moszkowicz the other day; the lawyer that assists Beth in her civil complaint against JvdS.
I just remembered that Moszkowicz and his father (a high profile lawyer as well) featered in a commercial some time ago. One of a series of very funny commercials from an insurance-company with their slogan 'Even Apeldoorn bellen!' (Something like: Have to call to Apeldoorn for a minute.')
Just HAVE to post it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQyxU3rotk&feature=related

LOL  I saw this a couple days ago and downloaded.  What I wanted to do was take certain screens at the end and superimpose Joran's face on the kid.  Unfortunately, it appears to have some kind of block or copywrite protection that doesn't allow me to do that.  I tried everything, LOLOL

That would indeed be a lot of fun (and maybe inspiring to Moszkowicz as well). I just looked if I could maybe achieve something in that direction but I couldn't even get my 'Tube-tv' started with which i download youtube-videos. I'll look into it some more and let you know!

Hi Klaasend,

I've looked into it now. I have downloaded the video and can convert it with VisualHub (PSP, DV, DVD, AVI, MP4, WMV, MPEG, Flash) and edit it in Final Cut Express (all Mac). I don't seem to have any problem here. If you like I can send a converted file to you. (I'm not so talented in editing these clips in a funny way.) If you like that let me know in what format and whereto I can send it.

[Dihannah1]

She lies all the time. Perhaps 1 out of every 20 lines she types is the truth. Honestly, I have never in my life seen so many people from such a small area tell so many freaking lies. It is like they make shit up as they go along. Everyone lies.....even big people lie, my ass. This is an Island population of nothing but liars. Pathetic.

MF states he/she was at C&C's on the night Natalee went missing.
Glenda states she was at Soul Beach, but had been at C&C's on Fri. and Sat. night before Natalee went missing. Someone asked if she saw Natalee on that weekend at C&C's and/or Joran.....
answer>>
Glenda posts>>
I have no Idea if I saw her, but I do remember the Sweet Home Alabama, the drinking and butt shaking contests, etc... It was something I'd never seen before in the hundred plus times I'd been there. I've been to CnC hundreds of times... This group was through the MOON!
I didn't know Joran from Adam, so I don't have a clue if he was there. ~~~~~~~~
At CnC, the bouncers took my camera at the door on Saturday Night. When I got in, I realized why.  Girls and Boys gone wild. We stayed until around 3am and the party was still going strong. Bahia and Choose a Name were also packed.

Gilligan posts>
The MBers who went to C&C's would be the hardcore drinkers who play competitive drinking games and dance. A little bit of blow or a little bit of weed, you could make a right party out of that. Probably lots of piles of puke around back of that place. So that's what all the little darlings were doing. How sweet.

~~~~~~~

These freaks make it sound like they have never seen such partying in their lives on their one innocent island of misfits. It is just unbelievable they talk this way about the MB'ers when it is plastered all over the internet from people's webshot albums and even the club's own website galleries and radio station galleries and hundreds of other sites the mega partying that has gone on there LONG before MB'ers landed. I am sure the MB's partied...that is what they were there for, but Damnnnnnnn, they make it seem like they brought the concept to Aruba.  Lies, lies, lies.....sick of all the lies in this horrible, tragic tale. Can no one speak the truth?

So Rentahoe thinks she is one of the young pimps hanging out at Cand C. Well for her it is safe, as no one would want to drug an aged wore out ho for sex, and, you can't take what is free, of course her junk stinks so bad that she can't give it away, ooops, I almost didn't think about it, I bet she drugs young American boys to knock them out only she adds Viagra to the mix. Oh what a cunning and wore out ho she is.

And she thinks we want her review of an establishment? And I am sure she has not ever seen so many attractive bottoms in there. As for the shaking, put a mirror on your butt Julia and watch while you walk. Only your doesn't quite wiggle in the manner that young boys like any more huh

PI    OMG,  YOU are too funny!  I LOVE your posts!

Nut,  thanks for sharing that review from Glenda,  that's the first time I've seen that.

[Anna]

Wasn't Mark Purcell Jr a bartender at Moomba (sp).  Maybe that is the second bar they stopped at instead of Chose A Name as they said.  Protecting their source?  He had lots of some date rape drug and said it was for his own use, right?  And in true Aruban tradition, his mother backed him up and said he needed it to masturbate of all things!  At least that is what was reported.

Since when does a young male need aids for THAT???

Then Mark Sr was director of facilities at Mariott.  Mariott is sure to have a boat.  Where did Purcells dock their boat I wonder.  Mark Sr speaks often of his aversion to birds and toads meaning me and Granny Toad for some odd reason as I have never done anything to him.  Neither has she.

Just inserted himself into this in such a big way and also has irrational hated for Beth. 

Like defensive.

Or something. . . .

[Anna]

We have all seen the photos and videos of C&C and what goes on there routinely.

I highly doubt that a group of high school seniors could come anywhere close to the nasty professionals and semi pros there.

And prior to all of this, the chaperons were receiving compliments on how well behaved they were.

Note their behavior in the casino video for example.  Looks pretty sedate to me.

.

[Anna]

O/T

Does anyone else's SpellChek try to change Joran to Koran?  I am always afraid I will do that using SpellChek and offend some Muslim extermist group that will issue a fatwa against me or something.

.

[hotping]

I was just browsing through the RTL.NL site and found a set of 20 photos in the case.  Some from early in the case I hadn't seen.  Also this photo of the pay phone Joran alegedly used:



RTL.NL photo set

http://tinyurl.com/yqbctc

Somebody at RU (forget who) posted that phone did not exist in 2005.  I have no idea how true that is...

that phone looks awfully new to have been there in the hot sun and wind for 32 months or more.  has anyone checked to see if that's the same phone or kind of phone or even if there was a phone there when natalee was?  jvds spent time at the marriott in 2006  with his dutch girl friend, he could have just seen it then or even a later trip there, since the marriott seems to be another of his hangouts.
dennisintn

I read the same thing at RU...if We could prove that the phone wasn't there in May 2005 ....that would prove Tacopina as a liar along with JVS.... 

Now who you gonna believe Joran, RU or Taco? Lying liars and all their lying liar friends and associates who have a lying club where they make up lies and lie about their own lies.

I know that they are all liars....But it could help Beth's case if We could prove that the payphone was not even there in May 2005.... 

[Nut44x4]

Sorry to be O/T but Klaas...could you mark a couple of threads in missing peeps for me please? TY.

Utah Couple found SAFE
Briana Denison body found

[Observer]

Hi Klaasend,

I've looked into it now. I have downloaded the video and can convert it with VisualHub (PSP, DV, DVD, AVI, MP4, WMV, MPEG, Flash) and edit it in Final Cut Express (all Mac). I don't seem to have any problem here. If you like I can send a converted file to you. (I'm not so talented in editing these clips in a funny way.) If you like that let me know in what format and whereto I can send it.

You are the man if you can work with Final Cut 2 or 3..It is one of the most tedious programs I have ever tried to learn..So I used Imovie..lol Not sure about the express version. I did download some other programs like FLV downloader and player. It downloads videos on my HD and seems pretty easy to use..Macs Rule 

[fran]

Does anyone know the length of time it would take to drive from the K2's house to where Joran was that night? Five minutes?

TIA

fran

I believe we were told about 10-15 minutes? 

Oh, thanks Klaasend! 


JMHO
fran

[Tylergal]

Wasn't Mark Purcell Jr a bartender at Moomba (sp).  Maybe that is the second bar they stopped at instead of Chose A Name as they said.  Protecting their source?  He had lots of some date rape drug and said it was for his own use, right?  And in true Aruban tradition, his mother backed him up and said he needed it to masturbate of all things!  At least that is what was reported.

Since when does a young male need aids for THAT???

Then Mark Sr was director of facilities at Mariott.  Mariott is sure to have a boat.  Where did Purcells dock their boat I wonder.  Mark Sr speaks often of his aversion to birds and toads meaning me and Granny Toad for some odd reason as I have never done anything to him.  Neither has she.

Just inserted himself into this in such a big way and also has irrational hated for Beth. 

Like defensive.

Or something. . . .

There is a reason for their involvement in this case and I just cannot figure it out but it raises red flags for me the way they go after Robin and defend Joran.  It makes me think they have more to hide than a drug bust.

[private eye]

She lies all the time. Perhaps 1 out of every 20 lines she types is the truth. Honestly, I have never in my life seen so many people from such a small area tell so many freaking lies. It is like they make shit up as they go along. Everyone lies.....even big people lie, my ass. This is an Island population of nothing but liars. Pathetic.

MF states he/she was at C&C's on the night Natalee went missing.
Glenda states she was at Soul Beach, but had been at C&C's on Fri. and Sat. night before Natalee went missing. Someone asked if she saw Natalee on that weekend at C&C's and/or Joran.....
answer>>
Glenda posts>>
I have no Idea if I saw her, but I do remember the Sweet Home Alabama, the drinking and butt shaking contests, etc... It was something I'd never seen before in the hundred plus times I'd been there. I've been to CnC hundreds of times... This group was through the MOON!
I didn't know Joran from Adam, so I don't have a clue if he was there. ~~~~~~~~
At CnC, the bouncers took my camera at the door on Saturday Night. When I got in, I realized why.  Girls and Boys gone wild. We stayed until around 3am and the party was still going strong. Bahia and Choose a Name were also packed.

Gilligan posts>
The MBers who went to C&C's would be the hardcore drinkers who play competitive drinking games and dance. A little bit of blow or a little bit of weed, you could make a right party out of that. Probably lots of piles of puke around back of that place. So that's what all the little darlings were doing. How sweet.

~~~~~~~

These freaks make it sound like they have never seen such partying in their lives on their one innocent island of misfits. It is just unbelievable they talk this way about the MB'ers when it is plastered all over the internet from people's webshot albums and even the club's own website galleries and radio station galleries and hundreds of other sites the mega partying that has gone on there LONG before MB'ers landed. I am sure the MB's partied...that is what they were there for, but Damnnnnnnn, they make it seem like they brought the concept to Aruba.  Lies, lies, lies.....sick of all the lies in this horrible, tragic tale. Can no one speak the truth?

So Rentahoe thinks she is one of the young pimps hanging out at Cand C. Well for her it is safe, as no one would want to drug an aged wore out ho for sex, and, you can't take what is free, of course her junk stinks so bad that she can't give it away, ooops, I almost didn't think about it, I bet she drugs young American boys to knock them out only she adds Viagra to the mix. Oh what a cunning and wore out ho she is.

And she thinks we want her review of an establishment? And I am sure she has not ever seen so many attractive bottoms in there. As for the shaking, put a mirror on your butt Julia and watch while you walk. Only your doesn't quite wiggle in the manner that young boys like any more huh

PI    OMG,  YOU are too funny!  I LOVE your posts!

Nut,  thanks for sharing that review from Glenda,  that's the first time I've seen that.

I hate that woman, but sometimes I am a little OT with my thoughts on her, not that she doesn't deserve them but that this site may be a little to decent to have to read them:) She wants everyone to believe she is important to this case, to Aruba, the VDS, but she isn't even important to her pitiful little old mother, the poisoner, Siddalee. I am actually surprised that Siddaless did not't recognize at birth what a hoe she was going to be and abort her after the fact:)

I just know she was a Daddy's girl like Joran and just loved all of that special love their Daddy gave them. Them 2 are definitely the apples of their Daddy's flies

Me thinks she is delusional suffering from illusions of grandeur. She had to move to Aruba apparently to even find a crowd that would tolerate her, and that is only with her on her knees reporting for duty. I keep telling her that her knees can't last for ever, while I am handing her some breath freshener

[EURobert]

Hi Klaasend,

I've looked into it now. I have downloaded the video and can convert it with VisualHub (PSP, DV, DVD, AVI, MP4, WMV, MPEG, Flash) and edit it in Final Cut Express (all Mac). I don't seem to have any problem here. If you like I can send a converted file to you. (I'm not so talented in editing these clips in a funny way.) If you like that let me know in what format and whereto I can send it.

You are the man if you can work with Final Cut 2 or 3..It is one of the most tedious programs I have ever tried to learn..So I used Imovie..lol Not sure about the express version. I did download some other programs like FLV downloader and player. It downloads videos on my HD and seems pretty easy to use..Macs Rule 

Well, I am absolutely not The Man on Final Cut Express yet... Just a beginner. Guess I don't know 25% of it yet. But I'm slowly learning.

[Lala'sMom]

Since it was a weekend...how late would Moomba's be open?  Maybe until 2:00 AM or so?  Someone was there cleaning up at least.  CnC was open until 1:00 AM.  A bar near a hotel resort would probabaly stay open later...Joran had a friend there...he walked up to the Marriott...not to use the phone...but to get help...not to help Natalee...but to cover his butt...MOO

[woosleym]

Have there been any official release of the Aruban authority's transcripts of the Natalee case? I hear a lot of "he said, she said" but it's hard to give anything much credit because it isn't released from an official source.  Is Aruba going to release any of their recorded statements?

[ala_gunslinger]

O/T

Does anyone else's SpellChek try to change Joran to Koran?  I am always afraid I will do that using SpellChek and offend some Muslim extermist group that will issue a fatwa against me or something.

.

Don't worry about that!

We got your back!

[private eye]

amigo quote---clipped
"According to his lawyer Bert De Rooij, “Joran van der Sloot is not well off.  He is in hiding and is constantly being threatened. Whether that is in the Netherlands or in Aruba, is not known.  The lawyer said that he is not hiding for the police, but for the people’s tribunal.  He has serious reasons to believe that he won’t make it across the street if we let him go free.” Where are the keeping him?  it is like he is locked up some place

Crime journalist Peter R. de Vries is of the opinion that by not arresting Joran van der Sloot, he is being rewarded for undermining the police investigation.  He also does not understand that the Court does not want to arrest him because the Court is under the impression that Joran is a consistent liar.  “The fact that a person constantly lies in a case of life and death, is precisely a motive to keep him/her locked behind bars.”
Peter is the only one making any sense in this investigation.

Anita, Joran, relax, those aren't threats that people are sending you and your sporter. Why would they want to tease and threaten you about that. I suspect they are not from people trying to scare you, they are most likely from God fearing people who don't lie, so quit your fretting and relax. Now lets see what did you tell Natalee? Relax and enjoy it, you can't stop it. Oh and if you ever get injured, make sure you don't stop shaking, because if you do, I hear where you live they don't check people to see if they are alive, they just dump the injured out in the ocean. Thats why you all have such healthy sharks I suspect. You dump your injured and wounded so that there food is fresh, you bastard

Quit crying like a little sissy, Joran. I thought you were some big gangster. Instead you whine like a granny's panties sniffing Poppa's boy. Don't you know that some women in the 80's dribble?

[Observer]

Since it was a weekend...how late would Moomba's be open?  Maybe until 2:00 AM or so?  Someone was there cleaning up at least.  CnC was open until 1:00 AM.  A bar near a hotel resort would probabaly stay open later...Joran had a friend there...he walked up to the Marriott...not to use the phone...but to get help...not to help Natalee...but to cover his butt...MOO

That is what is so intriguing about the early reports of activity by the Marriott. I wonder if Art Wood knows the name of the employee at the Marriott that supposedly helped dispose of Natalee with Fransisco and whoever had that white PU. The story could be BS but it's just interesting that someone would go into such detail combined with other others that said similar things like a white PU being involved and a blue tarp.