Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[Marlee]

Hi Monkeys!

Klass-You have mail at the C one.

[Altruist]

Translation - posted by Lazlo at RU
Bob Wit defends himself in Bon Dia.

(For sure translation faults, but on or about what it says is the following)

Ex Head Commissar Bob Wit defends his actions in the Holloway case.

-Willemstad- "I have acted correct procedure wise in the case of Natalee Holloway, The ex Head Commissaris in the affair, Bob Wit tells about the procedures that took place fast in the first days of the investigation. During one week, Mr Wit who's avenue is affiliated with the Court of Justice of the Caribbean, has functioned as a Head Commissar in the case here.

On Aruba the Chief of investigation in the time when Gerald Dompig was the Head Commissar, did not approve of the search of the house of the parents of Van Der Sloot as part of the investigation and had obstructed the investigation (?). The investigation of the Dutch crime investigator Peter R. de Vries, has came to the same conclusion. It was remarkable in the case that after the Dutch group of investigators had joined the case they were allowed to search the territory of the family. The impression was given also because it was the deal of a functionnaire who was learning to become Head, felt he had to protect the privacy of the family. Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot after having become a suspect in the case. ....... (no idea)

Mr Wit, had to decide in an instant about the search of where Joran's father lived, and made the decision to allow the search of the apartment of Joran van der Sloot and also in the two cars of the family.

At no moment they had (asked?) to search more then that. A Head Commisar cannot do otherwise, because the petition has to be substantial. Another word is by having allowed to search at other places that were not covered by the petition of the OM all evidence eventually obtained would be illegal. This is very significant since dealing with the case ourselves we had to work in a correct manner, Mr Wit says.

The ex Head Commissar also says by having dealt with the case himself the suspicions against Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers is strong.

I had concluded from the dossier there had been various contradictions in their declarations. But that is not enough to succeed in a conviction. In a case where no the remains are found in order to treat it as a crime you have to have additional material such as a witness who has seen it happen or traces of blood that for example can be tested for DNA, so the Magistrate tells.

For one thing is, the case itself, Mr Wit says that even after time has passed one can still prosecute the suspects. I have seen often in my work the instant good new information comes up that can throw a new light on a case that was unsolved, so Mr Witt is commenting. The Ministry Public in Aruba has announced this the week that the case here ....of a "crime" is 7 years for murder and 10 years for premeditated murder.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2587.840

At least to me the denial statement of corrupt judge Wit just before de Vries program translated above demonstrates the strong probability that the corrupt WERE MADE AWARE of de Vries upcoming program & the distinct probability that undercover operations were involved being known to same.  It also pretty much explains why JVDStoolscum spent such a long time on LieRuba, during his last detainment in December, conveniently made the DAY BEFORE THE TAPING OF THE undercover ACTIVITIES.  Quite a convenience that was, wasn't it?????????????

When I was of the age of 20, I studied straight as an arrow, but took exams that caused high anxiety less anxious with the aid of MaryJane.  Perhaps that was the strategy with JVDStoolscum, making it easier to repeat his studying done in December.  We know that at least 2 of the ABC judges are corrupt, how many others are of the same ilk?????????????

[justinsmama]

For any crossword freaks:

This Sunday New York Times Magazine crossword puzzle, 39 down, five letters, Tourist mecca near Venezuela.

I've already written them suggesting some other clues in the future.

1 across: #1 suspect in disappearance of Natalee Holloway

12 down: Tourist island whose corruption cost them dearly

[Nut44x4]

Located between the Holiday Inn and Marriott

[dennisintn]

Translation - posted by Lazlo at RU
Bob Wit defends himself in Bon Dia.

(For sure translation faults, but on or about what it says is the following)

Ex Head Commissar Bob Wit defends his actions in the Holloway case.

-Willemstad- "I have acted correct procedure wise in the case of Natalee Holloway, The ex Head Commissaris in the affair, Bob Wit tells about the procedures that took place fast in the first days of the investigation. During one week, Mr Wit who's avenue is affiliated with the Court of Justice of the Caribbean, has functioned as a Head Commissar in the case here.

On Aruba the Chief of investigation in the time when Gerald Dompig was the Head Commissar, did not approve of the search of the house of the parents of Van Der Sloot as part of the investigation and had obstructed the investigation (?). The investigation of the Dutch crime investigator Peter R. de Vries, has came to the same conclusion. It was remarkable in the case that after the Dutch group of investigators had joined the case they were allowed to search the territory of the family. The impression was given also because it was the deal of a functionnaire who was learning to become Head, felt he had to protect the privacy of the family. Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot after having become a suspect in the case. ....... (no idea)

Mr Wit, had to decide in an instant about the search of where Joran's father lived, and made the decision to allow the search of the apartment of Joran van der Sloot and also in the two cars of the family.

At no moment they had (asked?) to search more then that. A Head Commisar cannot do otherwise, because the petition has to be substantial. Another word is by having allowed to search at other places that were not covered by the petition of the OM all evidence eventually obtained would be illegal. This is very significant since dealing with the case ourselves we had to work in a correct manner, Mr Wit says.

The ex Head Commissar also says by having dealt with the case himself the suspicions against Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers is strong.

I had concluded from the dossier there had been various contradictions in their declarations. But that is not enough to succeed in a conviction. In a case where no the remains are found in order to treat it as a crime you have to have additional material such as a witness who has seen it happen or traces of blood that for example can be tested for DNA, so the Magistrate tells.

For one thing is, the case itself, Mr Wit says that even after time has passed one can still prosecute the suspects. I have seen often in my work the instant good new information comes up that can throw a new light on a case that was unsolved, so Mr Witt is commenting. The Ministry Public in Aruba has announced this the week that the case here ....of a "crime" is 7 years for murder and 10 years for premeditated murder.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2587.840

At least to me the denial statement of corrupt judge Wit just before de Vries program translated above demonstrates the strong probability that the corrupt WERE MADE AWARE of de Vries upcoming program & the distinct probability that undercover operations were involved being known to same.  It also pretty much explains why JVDStoolscum spent such a long time on LieRuba, during his last detainment in December, conveniently made the DAY BEFORE THE TAPING OF THE undercover ACTIVITIES.  Quite a convenience that was, wasn't it?????????????

When I was of the age of 20, I studied straight as an arrow, but took exams that caused high anxiety less anxious with the aid of MaryJane.  Perhaps that was the strategy with JVDStoolscum, making it easier to repeat his studying done in December.  We know that at least 2 of the ABC judges are corrupt, how many others are of the same ilk?????????????

aren't there contradictions in what he's said above? 
dennisintn

[Anna]

Anna,

send me the link

Done.

.

[Tamikosmom]

Translation - posted by Lazlo at RU
Bob Wit defends himself in Bon Dia.

(For sure translation faults, but on or about what it says is the following)

Ex Head Commissar Bob Wit defends his actions in the Holloway case.

-Willemstad- "I have acted correct procedure wise in the case of Natalee Holloway, The ex Head Commissaris in the affair, Bob Wit tells about the procedures that took place fast in the first days of the investigation. During one week, Mr Wit who's avenue is affiliated with the Court of Justice of the Caribbean, has functioned as a Head Commissar in the case here.

On Aruba the Chief of investigation in the time when Gerald Dompig was the Head Commissar, did not approve of the search of the house of the parents of Van Der Sloot as part of the investigation and had obstructed the investigation (?). The investigation of the Dutch crime investigator Peter R. de Vries, has came to the same conclusion. It was remarkable in the case that after the Dutch group of investigators had joined the case they were allowed to search the territory of the family. The impression was given also because it was the deal of a functionnaire who was learning to become Head, felt he had to protect the privacy of the family. Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot after having become a suspect in the case. ....... (no idea)

Mr Wit, had to decide in an instant about the search of where Joran's father lived, and made the decision to allow the search of the apartment of Joran van der Sloot and also in the two cars of the family.

At no moment they had (asked?) to search more then that. A Head Commisar cannot do otherwise, because the petition has to be substantial. Another word is by having allowed to search at other places that were not covered by the petition of the OM all evidence eventually obtained would be illegal. This is very significant since dealing with the case ourselves we had to work in a correct manner, Mr Wit says.

The ex Head Commissar also says by having dealt with the case himself the suspicions against Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers is strong.

I had concluded from the dossier there had been various contradictions in their declarations. But that is not enough to succeed in a conviction. In a case where no the remains are found in order to treat it as a crime you have to have additional material such as a witness who has seen it happen or traces of blood that for example can be tested for DNA, so the Magistrate tells.

For one thing is, the case itself, Mr Wit says that even after time has passed one can still prosecute the suspects. I have seen often in my work the instant good new information comes up that can throw a new light on a case that was unsolved, so Mr Witt is commenting. The Ministry Public in Aruba has announced this the week that the case here ....of a "crime" is 7 years for murder and 10 years for premeditated murder.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2587.840

When this article was first posted on the SM Forum by ******* on December 29, 2008.  Does anybody know if this was the date of publication in Bon Dia?

Thank you.

Janet

[Observer]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2587.840

aren't there contradictions in what he's said above? 
dennisintn

Yes they are caught red handed in lies. He says Dompig obstructed the search. Wit also says they never asked to search anything more than Jorans Apt and the 2 cars. But Dompig and KJ say they were turned down and denied searching the rest of the sloot house. They were deeply dissapointed 

[Observer]

When this article was first posted on the SM Forum by ******* on December 29, 2008.  Does anybody know if this was the date of publication in Bon Dia?

Thank you.

Janet

December 27th 2007 I sent KJ a copy last night

[klaasend]

Translation - posted by Lazlo at RU
Bob Wit defends himself in Bon Dia.

(For sure translation faults, but on or about what it says is the following)

Ex Head Commissar Bob Wit defends his actions in the Holloway case.

-Willemstad- "I have acted correct procedure wise in the case of Natalee Holloway, The ex Head Commissaris in the affair, Bob Wit tells about the procedures that took place fast in the first days of the investigation. During one week, Mr Wit who's avenue is affiliated with the Court of Justice of the Caribbean, has functioned as a Head Commissar in the case here.

On Aruba the Chief of investigation in the time when Gerald Dompig was the Head Commissar, did not approve of the search of the house of the parents of Van Der Sloot as part of the investigation and had obstructed the investigation (?). The investigation of the Dutch crime investigator Peter R. de Vries, has came to the same conclusion. It was remarkable in the case that after the Dutch group of investigators had joined the case they were allowed to search the territory of the family. The impression was given also because it was the deal of a functionnaire who was learning to become Head, felt he had to protect the privacy of the family. Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot after having become a suspect in the case. ....... (no idea)

Mr Wit, had to decide in an instant about the search of where Joran's father lived, and made the decision to allow the search of the apartment of Joran van der Sloot and also in the two cars of the family.

At no moment they had (asked?) to search more then that. A Head Commisar cannot do otherwise, because the petition has to be substantial. Another word is by having allowed to search at other places that were not covered by the petition of the OM all evidence eventually obtained would be illegal. This is very significant since dealing with the case ourselves we had to work in a correct manner, Mr Wit says.

The ex Head Commissar also says by having dealt with the case himself the suspicions against Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers is strong.

I had concluded from the dossier there had been various contradictions in their declarations. But that is not enough to succeed in a conviction. In a case where no the remains are found in order to treat it as a crime you have to have additional material such as a witness who has seen it happen or traces of blood that for example can be tested for DNA, so the Magistrate tells.

For one thing is, the case itself, Mr Wit says that even after time has passed one can still prosecute the suspects. I have seen often in my work the instant good new information comes up that can throw a new light on a case that was unsolved, so Mr Witt is commenting. The Ministry Public in Aruba has announced this the week that the case here ....of a "crime" is 7 years for murder and 10 years for premeditated murder.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2587.840

When this article was first posted on the SM Forum by ******* on December 29, 2008.  Does anybody know if this was the date of publication in Bon Dia?

Thank you.

Janet

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=620

December 27, 2007

[klaasend]

Need to run out for a bit, be right back  

[Nut44x4]

For any crossword freaks:

This Sunday New York Times Magazine crossword puzzle, 39 down, five letters, Tourist mecca near Venezuela.

I've already written them suggesting some other clues in the future.

1 across: #1 suspect in disappearance of Natalee Holloway

12 down: Tourist island whose corruption cost them dearly

LOL LOL ! justins...hi.

[justinsmama]

Hiya, back, Nut! I'd love to read what Frank's suggestions were!

[Silverfox]

amigo quote---clipped
"According to his lawyer Bert De Rooij, “Joran van der Sloot is not well off.  He is in hiding and is constantly being threatened. Whether that is in the Netherlands or in Aruba, is not known.  The lawyer said that he is not hiding for the police, but for the people’s tribunal.  He has serious reasons to believe that he won’t make it across the street if we let him go free.” Where are the keeping him?  it is like he is locked up some place

Crime journalist Peter R. de Vries is of the opinion that by not arresting Joran van der Sloot, he is being rewarded for undermining the police investigation.  He also does not understand that the Court does not want to arrest him because the Court is under the impression that Joran is a consistent liar.  “The fact that a person constantly lies in a case of life and death, is precisely a motive to keep him/her locked behind bars.”
Peter is the only one making any sense in this investigation.

  They "the powers that be" have to keep him quiet until this plays out and cools down. He is like a loose cannon.  If he fears for his life it will be because the bad guys that he already knows want him permanently quiet. He is probably in a safe house. tmo.

[Nut44x4]

Bob Wit is truly a frightening character 
I don't like to look at him ..

[Dayhiker]

At least to me the denial statement of corrupt judge Wit just before de Vries program translated above demonstrates the strong probability that the corrupt WERE MADE AWARE of de Vries upcoming program & the distinct probability that undercover operations were involved being known to same.  It also pretty much explains why JVDStoolscum spent such a long time on LieRuba, during his last detainment in December, conveniently made the DAY BEFORE THE TAPING OF THE undercover ACTIVITIES.  Quite a convenience that was, wasn't it?????????????

When I was of the age of 20, I studied straight as an arrow, but took exams that caused high anxiety less anxious with the aid of MaryJane.  Perhaps that was the strategy with JVDStoolscum, making it easier to repeat his studying done in December.  We know that at least 2 of the ABC judges are corrupt, how many others are of the same ilk?????????????

aren't there contradictions in what he's said above? 
dennisintn

Dompig made the admissions on national television way the hell back on December 2005 IIRC. What was stopping Judge Bob Wit from defending the search and calling Dompig a liar back then?

This lying bastard only came out with this defense AFTER Joran was released last time, and we are supposed to believe him now? Sorry, ain't buying Judge!

[Dayhiker]

Bob Wit is truly a frightening character 
I don't like to look at him ..

HE IS A ROYAL SCUMBAG, FRIEND OF PAULUS, LYING BASTARD.

[Nut44x4]

Bob Wit is truly a frightening character 
I don't like to look at him ..

HE IS A ROYAL SCUMBAG, FRIEND OF PAULUS, LYING BASTARD.

I know....and he gives me the creeps.

[Tylergal]

Bob Wit is truly a frightening character 
I don't like to look at him ..

HE IS A ROYAL SCUMBAG, FRIEND OF PAULUS, LYING BASTARD.

I hate to prejudge, although I never refrain from how ugly I think JR is nor how ugly is Joran (which are not prejudices but based on their physical and emotional displays), but this man looks as smarmy as Anita and Paulus.

[Kiwi]

At least to me the denial statement of corrupt judge Wit just before de Vries program translated above demonstrates the strong probability that the corrupt WERE MADE AWARE of de Vries upcoming program & the distinct probability that undercover operations were involved being known to same.  It also pretty much explains why JVDStoolscum spent such a long time on LieRuba, during his last detainment in December, conveniently made the DAY BEFORE THE TAPING OF THE undercover ACTIVITIES.  Quite a convenience that was, wasn't it?????????????

When I was of the age of 20, I studied straight as an arrow, but took exams that caused high anxiety less anxious with the aid of MaryJane.  Perhaps that was the strategy with JVDStoolscum, making it easier to repeat his studying done in December.  We know that at least 2 of the ABC judges are corrupt, how many others are of the same ilk?????????????

aren't there contradictions in what he's said above? 
dennisintn

Dompig made the admissions on national television way the hell back on December 2005 IIRC. What was stopping Judge Bob Wit from defending the search and calling Dompig a liar back then?

This lying bastard only came out with this defense AFTER Joran was released last time, and we are supposed to believe him now? Sorry, ain't buying Judge!

They can go back and forth with who was at fault. The bottom line is the laundry room was in the main house and they needed to look at the clothing there, for the intervening week. That was just the basics, especially since they were going on things like she hit her head getting out of the car. Simply they all need to be investigated by someone higher up then a newspaper.