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Bladerunner
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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February 19, 2008, 01:37:50 PM »
Anyone have the quote from Peter de Vries--maybe the 20/20 interview--where he is asked about him first showing Mos the video of Joran's confession?
I think his comment was something like: "he said we have been waiting for something like this".
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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Quote from: ala_gunslinger on February 19, 2008, 01:21:18 PM
Quote from: Dayhiker on February 19, 2008, 12:59:26 PM
Quote from: Frank on February 19, 2008, 12:08:25 PM
I hope he is arrested, more media attention, in fact, I hope he wants to be arrested.
Should be an interesting book.
Amazing how some are more angry with him recording the vile crap Joran spewed than the actual vile crap Joran spewed.
Where's all the supposed anger from the Aruban people? It's a myth.
They are more angry at Patrick than Joran.
My thoughts exactly when I saw that, Frank. If they ever, ever wanted to look like all of them, every damn one of them are corrupt by all means arrest Patrick. That is a bad choice of words by Hans Mos, he sounds like he is reverting to the stupid sonofabitch that blew into Aruba full of piss and vinegar only to have his face stomped into the dirt by the defense lawyers and judges.
Should he be arrested, or not. I certainly hope he is not found 'hangin around' with his hand in his pocket!
Or his hotel room stuffed with cocaine.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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February 19, 2008, 01:42:07 PM »
Quote from: Anna on February 19, 2008, 01:39:19 PM
Quote from: ala_gunslinger on February 19, 2008, 01:21:18 PM
Quote from: Dayhiker on February 19, 2008, 12:59:26 PM
Quote from: Frank on February 19, 2008, 12:08:25 PM
I hope he is arrested, more media attention, in fact, I hope he wants to be arrested.
Should be an interesting book.
Amazing how some are more angry with him recording the vile crap Joran spewed than the actual vile crap Joran spewed.
Where's all the supposed anger from the Aruban people? It's a myth.
They are more angry at Patrick than Joran.
My thoughts exactly when I saw that, Frank. If they ever, ever wanted to look like all of them, every damn one of them are corrupt by all means arrest Patrick. That is a bad choice of words by Hans Mos, he sounds like he is reverting to the stupid sonofabitch that blew into Aruba full of piss and vinegar only to have his face stomped into the dirt by the defense lawyers and judges.
Should he be arrested, or not. I certainly hope he is not found 'hangin around' with his hand in his pocket!
Or his hotel room stuffed with cocaine.
.
I hope his fondness for the island of his youth doesn't lull him into a sense of complacency and that he is there with several alert and trusted friends.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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February 19, 2008, 01:43:53 PM »
Quote from: Bladerunner on February 19, 2008, 01:42:07 PM
Quote from: Anna on February 19, 2008, 01:39:19 PM
Quote from: ala_gunslinger on February 19, 2008, 01:21:18 PM
Quote from: Dayhiker on February 19, 2008, 12:59:26 PM
Quote from: Frank on February 19, 2008, 12:08:25 PM
I hope he is arrested, more media attention, in fact, I hope he wants to be arrested.
Should be an interesting book.
Amazing how some are more angry with him recording the vile crap Joran spewed than the actual vile crap Joran spewed.
Where's all the supposed anger from the Aruban people? It's a myth.
They are more angry at Patrick than Joran.
My thoughts exactly when I saw that, Frank. If they ever, ever wanted to look like all of them, every damn one of them are corrupt by all means arrest Patrick. That is a bad choice of words by Hans Mos, he sounds like he is reverting to the stupid sonofabitch that blew into Aruba full of piss and vinegar only to have his face stomped into the dirt by the defense lawyers and judges.
Should he be arrested, or not. I certainly hope he is not found 'hangin around' with his hand in his pocket!
Or his hotel room stuffed with cocaine.
.
I hope his fondness for the island of his youth doesn't lull him into a sense of complacency and that he is there with several alert and trusted friends.
I was thinking the same thing bladerunner.... after all that we have seen happen on that corrupt little piece of rock, I truly fear for Patrick's life....
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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February 19, 2008, 01:45:44 PM »
I just want to say 2 things after reading that mo's announced to the public that they will arrest Patrick to question him.
1. Now, I just do not want to boycott aruba I want aruba and it people destroyed scrapped up at the roots from the earth, crushed and compressed into indestructible containers and buried deep into the ground at Guantanamo Bay with a battalions of armed soldiers pointed at it forever. And
2. I will definitely buy Patrick's book if he includes every detail of his possible arrest, harassment, and questioning by ale.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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February 19, 2008, 01:46:16 PM »
Quote from: Bladerunner on February 19, 2008, 01:33:03 PM
Quote from: Dayhiker on February 19, 2008, 01:04:33 PM
Quote from: ala_gunslinger on February 19, 2008, 10:19:39 AM
No wonder no one will come forward as a witness!!!!
Arrest and persecute the innocent, protect the guilty!!!
WTF is up with that???!!!!!
Mos is flirting with the Piss-off of the Century.
Sorry, but it's already confirmed, there is no flirting, his words are his words. This guy is a class A piece of sh!t.
if mos really said this, he must have been listening to his ex-dept. of tourism public relations wienie, john pauley, that tourism and croes forced on him.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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February 19, 2008, 01:50:35 PM »
Quote from: Dayhiker on February 19, 2008, 01:04:33 PM
Quote from: ala_gunslinger on February 19, 2008, 10:19:39 AM
No wonder no one will come forward as a witness!!!!
Arrest and persecute the innocent, protect the guilty!!!
WTF is up with that???!!!!!
Mos is flirting with the Piss-off of the Century.
What a disappointment he is turning out to be.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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February 19, 2008, 01:52:03 PM »
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3850/5/#jc_allComments
Patrick van der Eem na Aruba
Tuesday, 19 February 2008
I tried running a few through the tranny...but I still can't tell if they are angry at Patrick or wtf they are talking about. I think they are pissed off at him.......not Joran. ?
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February 19, 2008, 01:52:09 PM »
Peter Derives and Patrick van eem were one in obtaining this recording of Joran's incriminating words. Peter Derives appeared as a guest on more talk shows than Patrick. Yet ... it is Patrick van eem who is being threatened with arrest for talking too much and ... not "volunteering" to be interrogated.
Something is not right.
This wannabe detective suspects that Patrick's shady past is going to be dug into and held against him and ... if Patrick dares to continue to buck the Aruban coverup ....
Janet
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COMBS: The question is cover up or incompetence? Is the person working with you getting to the bottom of it?
HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are.
Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported
. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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February 19, 2008, 01:55:11 PM »
Why can't the 'Golden Boy' be found? Who as him under their wing...who is protecting him now...why hasn't he been spotted or found.....wtf is he doing with his time...has he changed his appearance? Where is Joran.....
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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February 19, 2008, 01:56:26 PM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on February 19, 2008, 01:52:09 PM
Peter Derives and Patrick van eem were one in obtaining this recording of Joran's incriminating words. Peter Derives appeared as a guest on more talk shows than Patrick. Yet ... it is Patrick van eem who is being threatened with arrest for talking too much and ... not "volunteering" to be interrogated.
Something is not right.
This wannabe detective suspects that Patrick's shady past is going to be dug into and held against him and ... if Patrick dares to continue to buck the Aruban coverup ....
Janet
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Dave Holloway
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August 10, 2005
COMBS: The question is cover up or incompetence? Is the person working with you getting to the bottom of it?
HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are.
Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported
. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.
My thoughts exactly Janet..... such a shame...Joran goes free...Patrick to be arrested...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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February 19, 2008, 01:58:12 PM »
From Greta:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html
DE VRIES: Yes. I met several guys from the team.
I spoke to Hans Mos, the head prosecutor, and I'm confident, quite confident, that they will solve this case finally.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?
DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.
VAN SUSTEREN: And boy talk, as you described it, or guy talk or something.
DE VRIES: And boy talk, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN:
All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?
DE VRIES:
Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner,
Dolph Richardson
. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me,
Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.
b]
So it was Richardson that said "pinch me". If Mos was so friggin happy why is he calling out Patrick now? This smells so foul I am beside myself.
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Patrick showed up ALE and even the special "juvenile Interrogators" send from NL for the total farce their questioning was. He showed not once but ten times how easy it was to get Joran to talk. The only logical conclusion one can draw is that either they did not try or Joran talked and someone kept destroying his statements.
They are even totally incompetent at being corrupt and can't even hide their own tracks. It will be interesting to watch the Aruban reaction to this latest ploy of his.
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I am at work so can't hang and play but this really pissed me off.
You want to get the corruption across to the press?
1. Send the article where Mos says that the Press should not make a big deal out of the confession and shut up.
2. Send the latest where he is talking about arresting a hero.
Want to see some quick reaction? That ought to do it. Forget the PowerPoint presentation for now - get these 2 factoids in there hands asap. This is total BS and there should be an outrage over this if it is true.
End of rant. Peace out.
I stand with girl - Natalee Holloway.
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February 19, 2008, 02:01:36 PM »
Quote from: Bladerunner on February 19, 2008, 01:58:12 PM
From Greta:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html
DE VRIES: Yes. I met several guys from the team.
I spoke to Hans Mos, the head prosecutor, and I'm confident, quite confident, that they will solve this case finally.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?
DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.
VAN SUSTEREN: And boy talk, as you described it, or guy talk or something.
DE VRIES: And boy talk, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN:
All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?
DE VRIES:
Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner,
Dolph Richardson
. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me,
Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.
b]
So it was Richardson that said "pinch me". If Mos was so friggin happy why is he calling out Patrick now? This smells so foul I am beside myself.
Thank you Blade.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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February 19, 2008, 02:03:28 PM »
Quote from: Anna on February 19, 2008, 01:58:30 PM
Patrick showed up ALE and even the special "juvenile Interrogators" send from NL for the total farce their questioning was. He showed not once but ten times how easy it was to get Joran to talk. The only logical conclusion one can draw is that either they did not try or Joran talked and someone kept destroying his statements.
They are even totally incompetent at being corrupt and can't even hide their own tracks
. It will be interesting to watch the Aruban reaction to this latest ploy of his.
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on February 19, 2008, 12:00:55 PM
Quote from: Bladerunner on February 19, 2008, 10:07:45 AM
Another news story:
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/aruba_to_question_van_der_sloo.php
The Aruban public prosecutor wants to question Patrick van der Eem as a witness in the Natalee Holloway case, reports Tuesday's NRC.
Chief justice Hans Mos told the paper Van der Eem could be arrested if he does not come forward voluntarily.
How ironic, arrest the guy that got the goods on Joran. Is there anything else to know about this debacle? Corrupt to the core!
Van der Eem befriended suspect Joran van der Sloot and secretly recorded him confessing to being with Natalee Holloway when she died. He is currently on Aruba working on a book about the disappearance of the US teenager.
According to Van der Eem he has nothing to hide and the public prosecutor only has to ring him.
The the rights to the book, which is being ghost written by the American novelist Elizabeth Byars, will be auctioned off. Publication of the book, titled Disposed, is set for September.
Thank you Blade.
I initially had mixed emotions regarding this book that Patrick is writing but ... no more.
Exposure is where it is at! It is the only justice that is going to be afforded Natalee Holloway. Justice certainly is not going to come out of Aruba.
Janet
Exposure!!!! They can exchange their dirty underwear, but we know exposure is coming.
HERE COMES THE PORE INSPECTION!!!!!
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February 19, 2008, 02:10:34 PM »
Quote from: Bladerunner on February 19, 2008, 01:58:12 PM
From Greta:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html
DE VRIES: Yes. I met several guys from the team.
I spoke to Hans Mos, the head prosecutor, and I'm confident, quite confident, that they will solve this case finally.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?
DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.
VAN SUSTEREN: And boy talk, as you described it, or guy talk or something.
DE VRIES: And boy talk, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN:
All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?
DE VRIES:
Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner,
Dolph Richardson
. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me,
Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.
b]
So it was Richardson that said "pinch me". If Mos was so friggin happy why is he calling out Patrick now? This smells so foul I am beside myself.
Here is a graphic of the leaked transcript of the conversation between Peter and Hans "gutless" Mos as translated through Google I believe. I found the link in the comments section on Greta:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent.vkmag.com%2Fgallery%2Fjorandidit%2Findex.html&langpair=nl%7Cen&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8
Read the above very closely, I argue that it indeed is the "topping on the cake" with regards to this egregious miscarriage of justice.
HANS MOS YOU LYING POS!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 -
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Quote from: Bladerunner on February 19, 2008, 01:37:50 PM
Anyone have the quote from Peter de Vries--maybe the 20/20 interview--where he is asked about him first showing Mos the video of Joran's confession?
I think his comment was something like: "he said we have been waiting for something like this".
Here is the complete translated interview with MOS from DeVries site:
http://www.peterrdevries.com/interview-mr-mos.htm
Here's part.
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Gotta run... catch up with y'all later... today is our season opener game ....
I am so pissed about this.....
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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