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« Reply #460 on: February 19, 2008, 02:21:56 PM »

Gotta run... catch up with y'all later... today is our season opener game ....

I am so pissed about this.....

Good luck!!!
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« Reply #461 on: February 19, 2008, 02:30:42 PM »

Hans Mos was indeed waiting for something that would ONLY link Joran to the disposal of a body.  He knew that a video of Joran claiming an accident and panicking enough to get rid of the body was all that was needed to solve this crime.  Everyone is off the hook except Joran and all he's guilty of is mistreatment of a corpse.  Misdemeanor in Aruba....time served.  Everyone is happy...too bad they couldn't find her body...maybe everyone will go away happy and we can get back to our pursuit of the BIG MONEY.  It looks like a plan to me....MOO
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« Reply #462 on: February 19, 2008, 02:37:47 PM »

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3850/5/


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Patrick van der Eem na Aruba       
Tuesday, 19 February 2008 

E conocido infiltrante di Peter R De Vries esta Patrick v/d Eem actualmente ta na Aruba. Patrick ta na Aruba pa pasa un poco vakantie pero primordialmente pa topa cu escritora Americano E.E Byars. Byars ta bay skirbi un buki tocante Patrick su experiencia como infiltrante den e caso di Joran van der Sloot. Ministerio Publico a duna di conoce cu mirando cu e ta na Aruba nan lo kier papia cu ne como testigo. Si en caso e no kier coopera nan lo por arreste. Patrick ta bisa di no tin problema pa papia cu Ministerio Publico.
E escritora di e buki ta bisa cu probablemente e buki lo ta riba mercado na merca den luna di Semptember Proximo.

Online Pap translation:

patrick van der eem at aruba
tuesday, 19 february 2008

the conocido infiltrante of peter r de vries esta patrick v/d eem actualmente is at aruba. patrick is at aruba for happen one some vakantie but primordialmente for come across cu escritora americano e.e byars. byars is bay write one book tocante patrick his experiencia because; infiltrante in the caso of joran van der sloot. ministerio publico owing to give of conoce cu mirando cu the is at aruba they will wanted talk cu ne because; witness. if provided that caso the does not coopera they will can arreste. patrick is tell of not have problem for talk cu ministerio publico. the escritora of the book is tell cu probably the book will is on market at merca in month of semptember proximo.

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Honey said:

Patirck ta papia cu e kier a juda Aruba. Pero e tambe ta placa e kier saka cu ture e kos aki.
Ta tristo con Aruba por haja un paar di hende maner familia van der Sloot, cu familia van der Eem.
Nan tur ta nan sako nan ta wak. Hendenan asina NOS no mester na Aruba.
Pika Aruba ta un dushi Isla pa hendenan aki ta bin bin Aruba. Nos NO mester di boso ni
pa boso bin vakantie.
Regards

Online Pap translation:

patirck is talk cu the wanted owing to juda aruba. but the also is coin the wanted throw up cu ture the thing here. is tristo con aruba can haja one paar of person maner familia van der sloot, cu familia van der eem. they all is they sako they're look at. hendenan so we not have to at aruba. pika aruba is one sweet island for hendenan here is come come aruba. we not have to of you neither for you come vakantie. regards

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INDIRA MARTIN said:

  Loke mi ke bisa Patrick Van Eem ta ku \'un tiger nunka ta perde su markanan\'. Patrick bo ta keda un tiger den \'e wega\'! mi no ta kere NIUN MOMENTO, ba sali for di e \'wega di droga\'. awor bo ke hunga \'santu\'?? KUANTU hende ABO no a MATA ku bo \'drugshandel\'?? KUANTU MUCHA no a keda adikto na BO \'drugshandel\'?? KUANTU FAMIA no ta kibra i destrosá AWE pa motibu di BO \'drugshandel\'?? aki nan por lubida i laga bo drenta! pero merka SI no ta lubida!! bo ta keda PAFO di e lugar ey paso bo ta CHA-TIGER!! nunka e mentiranan di JORAN por yega bo KALIBER!! ABO a kousa mas daño i MORTO den bo bida, NA OTRONAN ku JORAN JAMAS lo por kousa! BO TA BAJO!! BO TA VIEL!! MA KERE KU BETH TWITTY OF KIKO E YAMA AWORAKI TA E DESGRASIADO DI MAS GRANDI, PERO AWO BO TAMBE A JOIN SU BANDA LOCA, I SU TRICKIE NAN DI KON PA BIRA RIKU DI \'NATALEE\' \'BIBU O MORTO\'!!

Online Pap translation:

thing my want tell patrick van eem is with 'un tiger ever is lose his markanan'. patrick are you stay one tiger in 'e wega'! my do not believe niun instant, ba leave for of the 'wega of droga'. now do you want play 'santu'?? how person you not owing to kill to you 'drugshandel'?? how child not owing to stay adikto at do you 'drugshandel'?? how family do not break and destroy today for account of you 'drugshandel'?? here they can forget and let do you enter! but usa if do not forget!! are you stay pafo of the lugar ey pace are you cha-tiger!! ever the mentiranan of joran can arrive do you calibre!! you owing to activate more damage and dead in do you life, at others with joran jamas will can activate! are you bajo!! are you viel!! but believe with beth twitty or what the calling aworaki is the cheat of more big, but awo do you also owing to join his near loca, and his trickie they why for become affluent of 'natalee' 'bibu or morto'!!

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INDIRA MARTIN said:

  Dikon bo ta bisa na ATV ku bo no a gana nada ku e episodio aki, i na TELEARUBA bo ta bisa ba haña 25.000 euro, i ba gasta 45.000 di bo propio plaka!?? ba konose joran pa 7 luna, di kual 5 ba wordu paga, kier men den 2 luna ba gasta 45.00 euro riba joran?? kon esey a bai? AHAAN!! NATURALMENTE, BA FINANSIA SU DROGA-DIKSHON, I SU GAMBLEMENTU!?? TA PESEY... JORAN A KAI DEN BO TRAMPA, PASO E TA DEBIL NA 3 KOS! DROGA-CASINO I ALCOHOL! AWEL SOORRRRRY!! BUT JORAN \'CONNED THE CON-ARTIST(S)\'! Ela bisa berdat, ku tur hende lo mira ku ta gaña ela gaña! 

Online Pap translation:

dikon are you tell at atv to you not owing to earn nothing with the episodio here, and at telearuba are you tell ba find 25.000 euro, and ba spend 45.000 of you own money!?? ba know joran for 7 month, of kual 5 ba wordu pay, wanted mean in 2 month ba spend 45.00 euro on joran?? how esey owing to go? ahaan!! naturally, ba finansia his droga-dikshon, and his gamblementu!?? is pesey... joran owing to fall in do you snare, pace the is faint at 3 thing! droga-casino and alcohol! awel soorrrrry!! but joran 'conned the con-artist(s)'! ela tell truth, with everybody will see with is lie ela lie!


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INDIRA MARTIN said:

  Ii ta berdat! ela hunga grandi pabo, paso e ta debil!! e mester mester di e tres kosnan ku ABO a tente kune! NADA ku joran a bisa no a trese klaridat den loke a pasa! i esey jues commisario i huesnan tur a mira! (E LOKE BA HASI YAMA \'ENTRAPMENT\' I TA KONTRA LEI!)
ELA HASI BUYA, ELA EKSAGERA, ELA INVENTA, I KISAS HASTA A HALUSINA!! PERO NADA DI ESEY NO TA HASIE UN ASSESINO!!! PATRICK ARUBIANO NAN MESTER KORE KUBO! BO TA I TA KEDA SIN-BERGUENSA!! KORDA TUR E HENDENAN KU BA MATA KU BO DROGA DI INFIERNO!! EY TA WARDA BOSO, ABO, DE VRIES I BETH WHATEVER! \'PORTA DI FIERNU!

Online Pap translation:

ii is truth! ela play big pabo, pace the is faint!! the have to must of the three things with you owing to tente kune! nothing with joran owing to tell not owing to bring klaridat in thing owing to happen! and esey jues commisario and huesnan all owing to see! (e thing ba make calling 'entrapment' and is across from law!) ela make bragging, ela eksagera, ela inventa, and perhaps even owing to halusina!! but nothing of esey do not hasie one assesino!!! patrick aruban they have to drive kubo! are you and is stay sin-berguensa!! remember all the hendenan with ba kill to you drugs of infierno!! ey is keep you, you, de vries and beth whatever! 'porta of hell!

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all out said:

  awo e tambe ta bai skibi buki?hahaha ainda boso no ta mira tur e kos ki ta pa plaka? patric cu bo kara di innocente bo ta mas zware jongen cu joran mes,hypocrita 2 kara,con bo por jama bo mes homber pa sinta bende bo mes cu macamba contra un hende cu a confiabo?pero ja....money makes the monkey dance dus disfruta di dje tanten ke ta keda drenta paso kereeeeemi cu bo dia ta yega cu un hende ta bai hasi mesun ko cubo,bo ta bai buta confiansa i nan ta bai bira backstab bo.I dia esei pasa bo lo sinti kiko joran a sinti.Hungado di comedia bo ta!!

Online Pap translation:

awo the also is go skibi book?hahaha still you do not see all the thing what is for money? patric cu do you face of innocente are you more zware jongen cu joran self,hypocrita 2 face,con could you jama do you self man for sit sell do you self cu macamba contra a cu owing to confiabo?pero ja....money makes the monkey dance dus disfruta of dje adieu want is stay enter pace kereeeeemi cu do you day is arrive cu a is go make same ko cubo,bo is go lay down confiansa and they're go become backstab do you.i day that happen do you will feel what joran owing to feel.hungado of comedia are you!!

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LT said:

  Hmm un otro mas cu ta usa e caso pa scirbi un buki, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm rarara ken mas ta bai laga scirbi un buki   
Mi ta kere cu nan tin cu skirbi un buki pero titula NEVER ENDING HOLLOWAY - van der SLOOT STORY; little stories, by beth, dave, joran & partick   

Online Pap translation:

hmm one another more cu is using the caso for scirbi one book, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm rarara that more is go let scirbi one book i am believe cu they have cu write one book but titula never ending holloway - van der sloot story; little stories, by beth, dave, joran & partick

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INDIRA MARTIN said:

  mi a studia e kaso aki di paden i pafo pa mas di un aña! mi tin hopi detailles ku por solushona e kaso aki. pero beth twitty a sali pa engaña tur hende, i te awe e ta logrando! KU UN OM \'SORDO MUDA\' NO TA YEGA LEW! MI A HIBA PERSONALMENTE I A PAPIA PERSONALMENTE KU FUNKSHONARIONAN DI OM, DUNA NAN PRUEBA!! PERO TANTU BAL! sigur sigur e ultimo desaroyo nan a bolbe kousa un ola di negativismo pa e isla di Aruba, pero tambe e por trese mas klaridat i hasta un final den e ENTRIGANAN ku a wordu formula pa diferente persona klave den e kaso aki!
mi sa e storia aki i kosnan ku authoridatnan NO KE pa sali den prensa! pronto lo mi saka algun.

Online Pap translation:

i have study the affair here of inside and pafo for more of one year! i have much detailles with can solushona the affair here. but beth twitty owing to leave for engaña everybody, and till today the is logrando! with one om 'sordo muda' do not arrive lew! i have take away personalmente and owing to talk personalmente with funkshonarionan of om, give they proof!! but much be worth! assure certain the ultimo desaroyo they owing to go back activate one wave of negativismo for her island of aruba, but also the can bring more klaridat and even one end in the entriganan with owing to wordu formula for various person klave in the affair here! my know the storia here and things with authoridatnan not want for leave in prensa! soon will my throw up some.


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albert said:

  E guy aki merece un premio pa su trabow, e vds-nan a hera hundi e pais aki.Nan a hasi malo y ke gana placa cune tambe 

Online Pap translation:

the guy here merece one premium for his job, the vds-nan owing to hera hundi the country here.nan owing to make bad y want earn coin cune also

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zazao said:

  WEL WEL WEL, AMI NO TA KERE E GUY KI NIUN TIKI.
OTRO MAS PA TRAHA CEN RIBA NOMBER DI ARUBA.
UN COS MI KIER BISA Y ESAKI TA UN DI E COSNAN CU A WORDO GANJA, UN RATO DE VRIES Y PATRICK TA BISA TA 7 LUNA NAN A TRAHA RIBA E CASO, UN RATO PATRIC TA BISA CU ELA HANJA 25000 EURO FOI DI DE VRIES, 5000 EURO PA LUNA.
BO DEEL 25000 EURO DOOR DI 5000 EURO TA 5 ETA SALI TOCH?? NO 7....
MA WAK NA TELEARUBA NAN A ENTREVISTA PATRICK, WEL E GUY KI TWT PAPIA YEN COS BRUHA, E TWT MANE ENO SA KIKO PA BISA, OF KIKO PA GANJA, E CASO KI, TA FULL BRUHA Y TIN HOPI CEN DEN WEGA PA TAPA COSNAN 

Online Pap translation:

wel wel wel, i do not believe the guy what niun bit. another more for work cen on name of aruba. anything my wanted tell y this is one of the cosnan cu owing to wordo ganja, one rato de vries y patrick is tell is 7 month they owing to work on the caso, one rato patric is tell cu ela hanja 25000 euro foi of de vries, 5000 euro for month. do you deel 25000 euro door of 5000 euro is 5 eta leave yet?? not 7.... but look at at telearuba they owing to interview patrick, wel the guy what twt talk complete cos witch, the twt mane eno know what for tell, or what for ganja, the caso what, is full witch y have much cen in game for tapa cosnan

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Killer Bee said:

  Ata un otro payaso a bin ganja un storia pa bira rico, ariba lomba di aruba....
E locura di e little-flower mericano aki tin mi fada caba !!! Na merca na un universidad yen hende ta wordu tira, pero tog tin mas attencion pa e locura di holloway.
E caso aki ta hole stinki di komienso.
Sodemieter toch op, Ga maar naar de land van Piet Hein terug !!!!!!!!!!! 

Online Pap translation:

behold one another clown owing to come ganja one storia for become rico, upstairs back of aruba.... the locura of the little-flower mericano here have my fada end come across!!! at merca at one universidad complete person is wordu throw, but tog have more attencion for her locura of holloway. the caso here is smell stinki of komienso. sodemieter yet op, ga maar naar de land van piet hein terug !!!!!!!!!!!

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ll said:

  Un hende decente no ta laga niung hende kumpre ku plaka. bo ta korda e dicho\"Esun ku ta inocente tira e promer piedra.\" Aruba no ta di un hende so e ta di tur akie nan, y stop di haci wega ku ne.(Na tur hende ku ta sigi bin ku nan wonder opinion nan di e caso straño ki y purba di gana plaka ku ne ? ki sorto di Arubiano bo ta. 

Online Pap translation:

a decente do not let niung person kumpre with money. are you remember the dicho"esun with is inocente throw the previous to stone." aruba do not of a only the is of all akie they, y stop of haci game with ne.(na everybody with is sigi come with they wonder opinion they of the caso odd what y try of earn money with ne come across? what sort of aruban are you.

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GRANDMA said:

  JORAN TAMBE TIN PARTI (PLACA) DEN E BOEKI AKI?????? 

Online Pap translation:

grandma said: joran also have part (placa) in the boeki here??????

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ate said:

  Wel wel, awor ta mas cu cla cu \'klasse-justitie\' ta conta na Aruba (hogere machten).
Pasobra tempo cu nan a interoga Joran na Hulanda, nan no a preocupa mes pa interoga Patrick. Awor cu Patrick a jega Aruba, nan ta cumisa haci druk pa interoge. Hopi stranjo mes, pasobra a declara tur e storianan di Joran na Patrick como no suficiente base pa aresta Joran. I pakico no a interoga Patrick tambe na Hulanda mesora pa wak si por haja mas info necesario pa aresta Joran?
Otro caso stranjo di Ministerio Publico ta esun di FDN San Nicolaas. Aki tambe M.P. ta traha segun e \'klasse-justitie\' (=gobierno actual). Shonnan, awor si Aruba a sak te bou di vloer, pasobra no tin HUSTICIA corecto mas na Aruba. 

Online Pap translation:

wel wel, now is more cu cla cu 'klasse-justitie' is count ; at aruba (hogere machten). because time cu they owing to interoga joran at the netherlands, they not owing to preocupa self for interoga patrick. now cu patrick owing to jega aruba, they're cumisa haci druk for interoge. much stranjo self, because owing to declara all the storianan of joran at patrick because; not sufficient base for aresta joran. and pakico not owing to interoga patrick also at the netherlands at once for look at if can haja more info necesario for aresta joran? another caso stranjo of ministerio publico is esun of fdn san nicolaas. here also m.p. is work according the 'klasse-justitie' (=gobierno actual). shonnan, now if aruba owing to sak till below ; vloer, because not have husticia corecto more at aruba.

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Jose said:

  Piet Hein met zijn zilveren vloot! y nan ta adore.
Macambanan ta e ladronnan mas grandi di mundo, antes nan a chica nos oro cu nos tabata tin y awor nan ta chica nos economia, cu ta turismo. Wel, wel, anto cu bendicion di Nel.
Tristo ta cu, Sr. Betico Croes, q.e.p.d, a spierta nos pa sorto di trampanan aki.
Nel sigi dunanan mas posicion pa nan sigi caba cu nos Arubianonan. Esei bo kier toch?
Berdad cu Aruba ta e unico pais na mundo! 

Online Pap translation:

piet hein met zijn zilveren vloot! y they're adore. macambanan is the ladronnan more big of world, formerly they owing to chica we gold cu we was have y now they're chica we economia, cu is turism. wel, wel, then cu bendicion of nel. tristo is cu, sr. betico croes, q.e.p.d, owing to arouse we for sort of trampanan here. nel sigi dunanan more posicion for they sigi end cu we arubianonan. that do you wanted yet? berdad cu aruba is the unique country at world!

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pufffff said:

  puffff natalie, joran, y famia a dal un puya ban skibi buki over dje di kon e la pasa ....mi dios pa tur kos ta un buki mi ta kere nos tambe mester skibi un buki di kon e kos ki a danja nos imagen di aruba ....ministronan hasi algo or whatever is in charge ... 

Online Pap translation:

puffff natalie, joran, y family owing to strike one farth as skibi book over dje why the la happen ....mi god for everything is one book i am believe we also have to skibi one book why the thing what owing to danja we imagen of aruba come across....ministronan make algo or whatever is in charge come across...

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Don Chipiri said:

  PATRICK VAN PINK PANTHER ESAKI TA E ISLA CU BO TA BEZIG TA GANA PLACA CUNE I NADA OTRO,BO TA PLAY MASHA INOSENTE MES,HENDENAN ASINA NOS NO TIN MESTER AKINAN,PLAKA PLAKA PLAKA PLAKA PLAKA PLAKA SO TIN DEN BO KABES ENVES DI SESO.KORDA UN DIA LO BO MURI I BO TIN CU DUNA KUENTA NA E DIOS TODOPODEROSO. 

Online Pap translation:

patrick van pink panther this is the island cu are you bezig is earn coin cune and nothing another,bo is play very guiltless self,hendenan so we not have have to akinan,plaka money money money money money only have in do you head enves of seso.korda one day will do you die and do you have cu give bill at the god todopoderoso.

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Buchi juan said:

  Patrick van der Eem ta mas sinberguensa cu e propio joran e buki cu e kier bay scirbi ami lo ni seca mi sa..... cu ne paso e lo suche mas. 

Online Pap translation:

patrick van der eem is more sinberguensa cu the own joran the book cu the wanted bay scirbi i will neither seca my know..... cu ne pace the will suche more.

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Yep, they're mad at Patrick - not Joran.

Patrick's doing a b$$k! (Like Joran didn't ... and hopes to sue everyone in sight.)















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« Reply #463 on: February 19, 2008, 02:39:19 PM »

From Greta:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

DE VRIES: Yes. I met several guys from the team. I spoke to Hans Mos, the head prosecutor, and I'm confident, quite confident, that they will solve this case finally.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?

DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.

VAN SUSTEREN: And boy talk, as you described it, or guy talk or something.

DE VRIES: And boy talk, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?

DE VRIES: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.b]

So it was Richardson that said "pinch me". If Mos was so friggin happy why is he calling out Patrick now? This smells so foul I am beside myself.




Blade ... I believe that Hans Mos was going through the motions of a prosecutor for the benefit of the media ... Natalee Holloway's family.  As John Q. Kelly referred to the November, 2007 detainment of Joran, Deepak and Satish ... it was all a "dog and pony show".  Hans Mos was ... in all probability ... relying on the judiciary to find grounds to dismiss the evidence.  After all ... the judiciary has dismissed the evidence of the prosecutor fourteen times prior in the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Only the Superior Court ruling that denied Paulus' compensation award ... ever sided with the prosecution in in the Natalee Holloway case ... a ruling that deemed Paulus' detention justified.

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JUNE, 2005

Mickey John:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

Abraham Jones:  first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.
 
Joran van der Sloot:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder

Deepak Kalpoe:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

Satish Kalpoe:  Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

Steve Croes:   Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.   

Paulus van der Sloot:  complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.

AUGUST, 2005

Deepak Kalpoe:  Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

Satish Kalpoe:  Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions

APRIL, 2006

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt:  criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.

Guido Weaver:  Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen

NOVEMBER, 2007

Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily hare that result in death.

Satish Kalpoe -  Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily hare that result in death.

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily hare that result in death.


Superior Court Ruling
January, 2007

 
The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
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« Reply #464 on: February 19, 2008, 02:58:37 PM »

Why can't the 'Golden Boy' be found? Who as him under their wing...who is protecting him now...why hasn't he been spotted or found.....wtf is he doing with his time...has he changed his appearance? Where is Joran.....


I heard that Rudy Croes had him sitting in a corner wearing a dunce hat
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« Reply #465 on: February 19, 2008, 03:02:30 PM »

I wonder if Depaak and satish dropeed Natalee and Joran off at McDonalds and then Paulus picked them up and took them somewhere and the deed began? Why did Paulus have so much trouble deciding on the time he picked Joran up, and Depaaks claim that your own father. That scenario puts PVDS and JVDS together doing the deed.
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« Reply #466 on: February 19, 2008, 03:08:33 PM »

Why can't the 'Golden Boy' be found? Who as him under their wing...who is protecting him now...why hasn't he been spotted or found.....wtf is he doing with his time...has he changed his appearance? Where is Joran.....


I heard that Rudy Croes had him sitting in a corner wearing a dunce hat

Asking joran....

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« Reply #467 on: February 19, 2008, 03:08:59 PM »

I wonder if Depaak and satish dropeed Natalee and Joran off at McDonalds and then Paulus picked them up and took them somewhere and the deed began? Why did Paulus have so much trouble deciding on the time he picked Joran up, and Depaaks claim that your own father. That scenario puts PVDS and JVDS together doing the deed.
As you may know Beth has said many times that PVDS said he picked Joran and Natalee up at 4AM. He then changed his story almost 3 weeks into this nightmare.


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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Oh -- oh, it`s a very critical detail. And the night that we arrived on the island -- you know, Jug does not misinterpret a 4:00 AM time pickup to 11:00 PM. I mean, Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.

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Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.

Superior Court - Diario - 02-14-2007
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. (Translation Credit: Diario)
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The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”
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« Reply #468 on: February 19, 2008, 03:11:55 PM »


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I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared.

I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant.

Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day. There to me it is very suspicious.......

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« Reply #469 on: February 19, 2008, 03:14:32 PM »

I am interrupting this 'announcement' a little differently.  I understood MOS to say that he wanted to talk to Patrick  voluntarily regarding the case. He said if he didn't voluntarily come in to be questioned, he would be arrested as a witness.   Why wouldn't MOS want to talk to him?  Seems a natural to me.  If MOS wants to use the information, he would have to interview Patrick.

It may be even more interesting if they did arrest him as a witness, can't you see what Peter would do with that!!!
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« Reply #470 on: February 19, 2008, 03:27:06 PM »

Hans Mos was indeed waiting for something that would ONLY link Joran to the disposal of a body.  He knew that a video of Joran claiming an accident and panicking enough to get rid of the body was all that was needed to solve this crime.  Everyone is off the hook except Joran and all he's guilty of is mistreatment of a corpse.  Misdemeanor in Aruba....time served.  Everyone is happy...too bad they couldn't find her body...maybe everyone will go away happy and we can get back to our pursuit of the BIG MONEY.  It looks like a plan to me....MOO

Only thing is ... the plan did not work.  Patrick's impending book changes everthing.  The book implies that the Natalee Holloway case is not going to fade from the memories of Americans any time soon.  The words of this book will only serve to raise more questions regarding the corrupt Aruban investigation.

Other than Joran account of Natalee Holloways last moments ... which can be affirmed with documents from the case file ... Joran lied about every other aspect pertaining to the encompassing circumstances/events.  The Daury and his boat ... the telephone call ... the uninvolvement of Deepak and Satish ... ALL LIES!  These lies/distractions to distance the truth regarding Paulus' involvement have a foundation ... a foundation can also be derived from the case file.

Think about it ... if Joran implicates Deepak and Satish ... these two have the ability to implicate Paulus.

When Freddy's declarations and the Gardener's observation are taken into consideration ... Deepak and Satish were ... beyond a doubt ... involved in Natalee Holloway's last moments.

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The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub.

The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach.


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MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.
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« Reply #471 on: February 19, 2008, 03:27:48 PM »

I would like to ask Hans Mos 3 questions:

What do you make of the police asking Jug and Beth about epilepsy the day after Natalee disappeared?

Since you've seen the case file, can you tell us on what evidence the security guards were arrested and charged with Homicide? What evidence was van der straaten talking about.

Who release the statement that one of the suspects has "confessed?" I mean specifically it was called a "confession." Not a lie.

If he can answer these honestly then I may not assume he is corrupt.
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« Reply #472 on: February 19, 2008, 03:41:34 PM »

I would like to ask Hans Mos 3 questions:

What do you make of the police asking Jug and Beth about epilepsy the day after Natalee disappeared?

Since you've seen the case file, can you tell us on what evidence the security guards were arrested and charged with Homicide? What evidence was van der straaten talking about.

Who release the statement that one of the suspects has "confessed?" I mean specifically it was called a "confession." Not a lie.

If he can answer these honestly then I may not assume he is corrupt.

Don't hold your breath Frank. Mos has access to everything that is archived on this site and probably more. Anyone with a modicum of deductive reasoning capability will arrive at the same answer--that this was a cover-up from the beginning. To believe that he does not see what everyone else sees would be to think that you can fly with the birds, swim with the fishes, or perform magic like Harry frggin Potter. It just aint possible. Never was and never will be possible to beleive he doesn't know. It goes against logical reasoning, period!
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« Reply #473 on: February 19, 2008, 03:43:10 PM »

I am interrupting this 'announcement' a little differently.  I understood MOS to say that he wanted to talk to Patrick  voluntarily regarding the case. He said if he didn't voluntarily come in to be questioned, he would be arrested as a witness.   Why wouldn't MOS want to talk to him?  Seems a natural to me.  If MOS wants to use the information, he would have to interview Patrick.

It may be even more interesting if they did arrest him as a witness, can't you see what Peter would do with that!!!
I agree AZSunny... Patrick would be a witness so Mos has to talk to Him...This is a Good Thing! 
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« Reply #474 on: February 19, 2008, 03:43:12 PM »

Roy Tromp - lead Investigator
"Paulus van der Sloot's Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005

Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said."

Where is this Roy Tromp fella right now?  What's he up to? 

What's the missing Aruban man's name again?

Dare I ask if they are related?
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« Reply #475 on: February 19, 2008, 03:45:22 PM »

I am interrupting this 'announcement' a little differently.  I understood MOS to say that he wanted to talk to Patrick  voluntarily regarding the case. He said if he didn't voluntarily come in to be questioned, he would be arrested as a witness.   Why wouldn't MOS want to talk to him?  Seems a natural to me.  If MOS wants to use the information, he would have to interview Patrick.

It may be even more interesting if they did arrest him as a witness, can't you see what Peter would do with that!!!

ZASunny ... we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Considering that Patrick van Eem had never refused and ... was never requested ... to submit to questioning ... I contend that Hans Mos' words regarding the threat of arrest uncalled for.  After all most prosecutors would consider Patrick van emm a star witness for the prosecutions and ... he would be treating accordingly.

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http://www.tiscali.nl/content/article/nbinn/om_aruba_wil_van_der_eem_verhoren/575685.htm

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UTRECHT / ORANJESTAD - 19-02-2008 - Justice on Aruba intends to hear Patrick van der Eem (34) as a witness in the Natalee Holloway-case. That needs not be done on a voluntary basis, believes Chief Public Prosecutor Hans Mos.

Van der Eem, who managed to elicit statements from Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance-case, runs the risk to be temporarily incarcerated. “He has already told his story to many media and must now explain it to us once,” says Mos Tuesday. The attitude of justice surprised Van der Eem, who is on Aruba now to tell about his experiences as a mole to the American writer E.E. Byars (pseud. Elizabeth Byars) for a book to be recorded.

“I have nothing to hide in this ..."

"I am on the side of the OM (Publ.Pros.Off.), they only have to call me, ask and I will be there."


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http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/aruba_to_question_van_der_sloo.php

The Aruban public prosecutor wants to question Patrick van der Eem as a witness in the Natalee Holloway case, reports Tuesday's NRC.

Chief justice Hans Mos told the paper Van der Eem could be arrested if he does not come forward voluntarily.

According to Van der Eem he has nothing to hide and the public prosecutor only has to ring him.
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« Reply #476 on: February 19, 2008, 03:48:53 PM »

Roy Tromp - lead Investigator
"Paulus van der Sloot's Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005

Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said."

Where is this Roy Tromp fella right now?  What's he up to? 

What's the missing Aruban man's name again?

Dare I ask if they are related?


A better question is does Roy Tromp even exist!
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« Reply #477 on: February 19, 2008, 03:49:22 PM »

I would like to ask Hans Mos 3 questions:

What do you make of the police asking Jug and Beth about epilepsy the day after Natalee disappeared?

Since you've seen the case file, can you tell us on what evidence the security guards were arrested and charged with Homicide? What evidence was van der straaten talking about.

Who release the statement that one of the suspects has "confessed?" I mean specifically it was called a "confession." Not a lie.

If he can answer these honestly then I may not assume he is corrupt.



 



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« Reply #478 on: February 19, 2008, 03:52:56 PM »

Anna,

Thanks! I emailed my questions and am looking forward to the response I won't be getting.
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« Reply #479 on: February 19, 2008, 03:54:27 PM »

Roy Tromp - lead Investigator
"Paulus van der Sloot's Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005

Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said."

Where is this Roy Tromp fella right now?  What's he up to?  

What's the missing Aruban man's name again?

Dare I ask if they are related?


Roy Tromp should know whether Paulus lied or not regarding the events encompassing the morning of May 31, 2005 ... he was Paulus van der Sloot's interrogator.

Peaches ... if you are able to find Mickey John ... who has the ability to implicate Paulus in the collaboration of the Holiday Inn fabrication ... you may be able to find Roland Tromp also.

Off for the afternoon!

Later, Monkeys.

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