Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[Nut44x4]

http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6415


very rough translation....

Reported from the can (23) Joran of of the ditch badly finished in can (? lol)

Richard L. (1963) worked in the years ninety as an inspector at the
criminal information service in Rotterdam. Although a nothing seemed
him stand in the way glansrijke career at the police force,
adventurous oud-marinier brought the korps in mention and rudder was
then confessed that he had picked up with the onderwereld.

Very well PR of PR (freeze). Of course, here too in the can its
retransmission subject of conversation was. And although you fixed,
however, Joran-moe will be, I will here nevertheless give my (this way
records) opinion concerning the matter. First of all I hope for Joran
that he - could he be ever apprehended - in a prison does not come if
these, because particularly respectloze observations are towards women
in general general and in particular at some have put Natalee here
angry blood. Particular is that also types which here themselves sit for
assassination or verkrachting frequently still most felst react to
Jorans judgements. Perhaps they try with that something of their total
lost gone respect to win.

But well, here then my vision comes on the matter Holloway. Joran were
with Natalee on the aware bit range. I a couple time on Aruba has been
and weet that this bit range is lain between high and low hotels and
that there leave it frequently doodstil and is. Natalee had drunk much
and because Joran (rapidly) want sex he has given her pilletje or GHB
and that has then wrongly gone. (This is something what tells you
NEVER to someone because it is at minus for words)


more at link.....?

[Frank]

Janet,

Yes, you can only know someone is lying if you yourself know the truth!

[Nut44x4]

http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6415


very rough translation....

Reported from the can (23) Joran of of the ditch badly finished in can (? lol)

Richard L. (1963) worked in the years ninety as an inspector at the
criminal information service in Rotterdam. Although a nothing seemed
him stand in the way glansrijke career at the police force,
adventurous oud-marinier brought the korps in mention and rudder was
then confessed that he had picked up with the onderwereld.

Very well PR of PR (freeze). Of course, here too in the can its
retransmission subject of conversation was. And although you fixed,
however, Joran-moe will be, I will here nevertheless give my (this way
records) opinion concerning the matter. First of all I hope for Joran
that he - could he be ever apprehended - in a prison does not come if
these, because particularly respectloze observations are towards women
in general general and in particular at some have put Natalee here
angry blood. Particular is that also types which here themselves sit for
assassination or verkrachting frequently still most felst react to
Jorans judgements. Perhaps they try with that something of their total
lost gone respect to win.

But well, here then my vision comes on the matter Holloway. Joran were
with Natalee on the aware bit range. I a couple time on Aruba has been
and weet that this bit range is lain between high and low hotels and
that there leave it frequently doodstil and is. Natalee had drunk much
and because Joran (rapidly) want sex he has given her pilletje or GHB
and that has then wrongly gone. (This is something what tells you
NEVER to someone because it is at minus for words)


more at link.....?

the rest......
With the laces of its still vermiste sport shoes he has a couple heavy
stones (that there everywhere lie) to yes or no died body bound.
Hereafter he with her water has been worn in; there is there hardly
undertow and the sandy floor expires very gradually. After small
hundred meters it becomes complete diep, because Aruba is just like
the remaining Antilles fungiform. There he has released Natalee and
the rest to the sea and stroming left.

The large question is if he vervolgens with those payphone at the
hotel Gsm-nummer have twisted of its father. This must nevertheless be
to retrieve. I hou it that Joran have been picked up by its father and
that who has instructed him concerning what he had do and especially
also what he had do níet. That you with those payphone could not ring
only foreign numbers will be moreover where, you can twist, as it
happens, also mobile numbers.

To up to that point the view of me as ex-rechercheur. It me will
arouse curiosity what will produce the research further. The criticism
on peter r. I find "The Freeze" as a matter of fact easy and cheap. He
has applied possibilities which you if journalist can exploit and with
that considerable its ring stuck out. Or water of Twitty (Natalee's
mother) now necessary were or not, do not forget that it a
tv-programma where it goes of course also catching and indringende
pictures, is. Because Natalee's mother freeze have told the control
(postponed suspense retransmission) her as a first have informed and,
he remains in my opinion wide within the limits of decency, the more
so if you sale against other Sbs-programma's. So PR, well done!

[Bladerunner]

http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6415


very rough translation....

Reported from the can (23) Joran of of the ditch badly finished in can (? lol)

Richard L. (1963) worked in the years ninety as an inspector at the
criminal information service in Rotterdam. Although a nothing seemed
him stand in the way glansrijke career at the police force,
adventurous oud-marinier brought the korps in mention and rudder was
then confessed that he had picked up with the onderwereld.

Very well PR of PR (freeze). Of course, here too in the can its
retransmission subject of conversation was. And although you fixed,
however, Joran-moe will be, I will here nevertheless give my (this way
records) opinion concerning the matter. First of all I hope for Joran
that he - could he be ever apprehended - in a prison does not come if
these, because particularly respectloze observations are towards women
in general general and in particular at some have put Natalee here
angry blood. Particular is that also types which here themselves sit for
assassination or verkrachting frequently still most felst react to
Jorans judgements. Perhaps they try with that something of their total
lost gone respect to win.

But well, here then my vision comes on the matter Holloway. Joran were
with Natalee on the aware bit range. I a couple time on Aruba has been
and weet that this bit range is lain between high and low hotels and
that there leave it frequently doodstil and is. Natalee had drunk much
and because Joran (rapidly) want sex he has given her pilletje or GHB
and that has then wrongly gone. (This is something what tells you
NEVER to someone because it is at minus for words)


more at link.....?

I think that says that Joran will take it in the can when he goes to prison.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

Yes, you can only know someone is lying if you yourself know the truth!

Hi Frank

I hope you are having a good day.

Janet

[Lala'sMom]

Roy Tromp - lead Investigator
"Paulus van der Sloot's Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005

Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said."

Where is this Roy Tromp fella right now?  What's he up to? 

What's the missing Aruban man's name again?

Dare I ask if they are related?

What does "know exactly what to do" mean exactly???  I don't think I would know exactly what to do if my kid called me and said he had a dead girl on his hands...would you?

[Tater]

Hi everyone,
  I was driving today and thinking alot about this case.I was just wondering something.If Yoran drugged Natalee and had sex with her on the beach and she passed out,it still doesn't make sense that he would get rid of her body.It seems to me that all of that could be explained away quickly and blame never resting on him.She took the drug,someone else must have given it to her,blah,blah,blah.It would have been hard to prove he gave it to her and probably impossible.Then we see the two secirity gaurds were going to be charged with heavy battery.I'm thinking that Natalee was beaten badly and that is why the disposal of her body was so important.That could not be denied especially if Yorans sperm was there..Any thoughts? Forgive me if this has been brought up before and I'm way late and a dollar short,lol...

[Tater]

Roy Tromp - lead Investigator
"Paulus van der Sloot's Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005

Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said."

Where is this Roy Tromp fella right now?  What's he up to? 

What's the missing Aruban man's name again?

Dare I ask if they are related?

What does "know exactly what to do" mean exactly???  I don't think I would know exactly what to do if my kid called me and said he had a dead girl on his hands...would you?

I'd *panic at first* and then call 911....I think that is what I'd do anyway.I sure wouldn't be trying to cover up a murder...

[private eye]

Hans Mos was indeed waiting for something that would ONLY link Joran to the disposal of a body.  He knew that a video of Joran claiming an accident and panicking enough to get rid of the body was all that was needed to solve this crime.  Everyone is off the hook except Joran and all he's guilty of is mistreatment of a corpse.  Misdemeanor in Aruba....time served.  Everyone is happy...too bad they couldn't find her body...maybe everyone will go away happy and we can get back to our pursuit of the BIG MONEY.  It looks like a plan to me....MOO

Only thing is ... the plan did not work.  Patrick's impending book changes everthing.  The book implies that the Natalee Holloway case is not going to fade from the memories of Americans any time soon.  The words of this book will only serve to raise more questions regarding the corrupt Aruban investigation.

Other than Joran account of Natalee Holloways last moments ... which can be affirmed with documents from the case file ... Joran lied about every other aspect pertaining to the encompassing circumstances/events.  The Daury and his boat ... the telephone call ... the uninvolvement of Deepak and Satish ... ALL LIES!  These lies/distractions to distance the truth regarding Paulus' involvement have a foundation ... a foundation can also be derived from the case file.

Think about it ... if Joran implicates Deepak and Satish ... these two have the ability to implicate Paulus.

When Freddy's declarations and the Gardener's observation are taken into consideration ... Deepak and Satish were ... beyond a doubt ... involved in Natalee Holloway's last moments.

Janet

++++++++++

Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
Joran's Book
June 12, 2005

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub.

The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

If it was planned, I am certain Joran was not supposed to say he did not know if she was alive or not, and that his method for even guessing if she was dead or not was by shaking the bitch, because he really opened the doo wide open for a murder charge of some type. He wanted Natalee dumped basically because she was passed out, possibly injured, possibly dead. He did not want any further involvement with her period.

I think Mos is being heard "out of context." I think he was asked a hypothetical question, and the correct answer would be it would not be a voluntary request, he would be required to come, because of the significance of his information to the case. I think I will go run another errand:))))))))

[Pita]

Roy Tromp - lead Investigator
"Paulus van der Sloot's Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005

Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said."

Where is this Roy Tromp fella right now?  What's he up to? 

What's the missing Aruban man's name again?

Dare I ask if they are related?

What does "know exactly what to do" mean exactly???  I don't think I would know exactly what to do if my kid called me and said he had a dead girl on his hands...would you?

I'm wondering if Roy Tromp and Roland Tromp are one in the same person?
Roland is still active in the ALE.

http://www.kparuba.com/contacts.html

[private eye]

Roy Tromp - lead Investigator
"Paulus van der Sloot's Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005

Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said."

Where is this Roy Tromp fella right now?  What's he up to? 

What's the missing Aruban man's name again?

Dare I ask if they are related?

What does "know exactly what to do" mean exactly???  I don't think I would know exactly what to do if my kid called me and said he had a dead girl on his hands...would you?

Well, I can tell you one thing, you will never get to be "Mother of the Year" in Aruba lacking those skills:)

[BUCKSHOT]

will patrick be the next matthews?

better take some people and media cameras with him.

[Nut44x4]

Aruba Tourism Authority Names New Advertising Agency, Lowe New York

Ad Agency Review Results in Selection of New Firm Based in New York City with Clients Including, Unilever, Johnson & Johnson, Milk, XM Radio & More.

The Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) has announced the appointment of a new advertising agency, Lowe New York.  The exciting news came February 8, when, after six months of searching for an advertising agency, ATA appointed Lowe New York to head up all of Aruba’s advertising in North America.  ATA began the government mandated advertising agency review in July 2007 with the assistance of 10 partners from the public and private sectors, and guidance from AAR Partners, a review specialist company.  AAR Partners is a third-party, industry-recognized consultant that provided counsel and expertise in the agency selection.  The process started with over 45 contending agencies and it was then narrowed to five exceptional firms from around the country.  After months of chemistry meetings, work sessions, conference calls and presentations, the much anticipated final decision was announced.  Lowe New York’s work with ATA officially starts April 1, 2008.

Underscoring the island’s commitment to continuous improvement, the government mandated review requires a periodic review of all agency partners to ensure the best service, value and fit with the marketing objectives, goals and core beliefs of ATA.  This serves as a tool to examine ATA’s current capabilities and identify its emerging priorities.  Lowe New York will now be charged to meet all of the goals of Aruba’s advertising including enhancing the brand of the island’s tourism sector, reaching its core audience, and meeting strategic business objectives.  The main qualities for selecting a new agency were excellent strategic insights and thinking, the strong chemistry and fit with the Aruba team, thought-provoking ideas and a global perspective.

Four other impressive agencies made the final round, including Fort Lauderdale-based Zimmerman and Partners, New York’s Cossette Communication Group, Euro RSCG Worldwide, out of Baltimore and the incumbent Fitzgerald + CO, from Atlanta.  ATA’s decision to go in another direction was not an easy one.  Fitzgerald + CO has over 10 years of partnership and friendship invested in the island and is regarded as a highly creative partner that has, time and again, exemplified total dedication and commitment to the destination, regularly going above and beyond the call of duty.  Fitzgerald + CO has created and launched various successful ad campaigns for Aruba over the last decade including the slogan “Where Happiness Lives,”  the renowned “Charly from Aruba” radio spots and the most recent “Rumba Aruba” television ads.

“ATA is very much looking forward to the excitement of a fresh start and new beginning working with our new partners at Lowe New York,” said Myrna Jansen-Feliciano, managing director for the Aruba Tourism Authority.  “The decision was a difficult one and all of the finalists were strong and creative firms vying for the business.  We are confident that our detailed review process has brought us to the ideal candidate to handle our advertising in the U.S. and we are looking forward to a partnership with Lowe that will be successful and productive.”

http://www.aruba.com/news/2008/02/

[BUCKSHOT]

TROMP, Lieutenant Roy  - Dutch Aruban police Investigator; he was the initial Aruba police Lead Investigator on the disappearance case.

then they must have needed more qualified persons to deal with cover-up

enter into the equation ----------------------------------

STRAATEN, Jan van der - Former Chief of Polis, head of investigation into the disappearence of Natalee Holloway.  Reportedly a very good friend of Paulus Van der Sloot who Paulus claims he was in contact with everyday prior to the arrest of J2K..

AND

JACOBS, Dennis   - The narcotics  investigator for ALE who became the lead investigator in the Natalee Holloway case.  It was he who would not speak with Beth & Jug until he had eaten his corn flakes and shaved and made inappropriate comments about Natalee in a foreign language.
 “No, this happens all the time. Just go on down to Carlos N‘ Charlie’s and have a beer. She’ll show up sometime. She probably got drunk or fell in love and ran off with someone for a few days.”
Quote from Dave Holloway – “Dennis Jacobs responded with the following inappropriate question. How much money do you have?”

[Nut44x4]

UGH.....Peaches asked earlier about the missing Tromp guy...his first name....I can't find it! Any time I wasn't looking for it, it was staring me in the face on every news site from Aruba..UGHHHH, can't find it now.

[Anna]

Anna,

Thanks! I emailed my questions and am looking forward to the response I won't be getting.

Well, I hope you get a pleasant surprise in a courteous response. 

I am not so sure the press is playing fair with this information but we shall see.  I think Mos may have been asked what he would do if Patrick rufused to talk to him, was an arrest possible and Mos said yes, meaning it was possible.

But then I don't see the Dutch and Arubans as playing on the same team which is a bit different than most here.  Members of the Dutch Parliament make jokes about selling Aruba on Ebay.  I still see Rudy Croes as the one behind botching the investigation and prosecution.

[Nut44x4]

oranjestad – yesterday owing to haci his arrival at aruba, patrick van der eem. the person here his name owing to achieve popularidad, after cu past owing to stay present in the controversial declaration of policy of the journalist peter de vries, caminda van der eem is aparece papiando cu joran van der sloot via one grabacion scondi (undercover). during the combersacion here van der sloot is haci some declaracion comprometedor relaciona cu the caso of the young mericano desapareci, natalee holloway. come across
http://www.bondia.com/

[Rob]

will patrick be the next matthews?

better take some people and media cameras with him.

he's the next Michael Saladin in my opinion.

smack the guy around that tries to help.

[JE]

UGH.....Peaches asked earlier about the missing Tromp guy...his first name....I can't find it! Any time I wasn't looking for it, it was staring me in the face on every news site from Aruba..UGHHHH, can't find it now.

What year did he go missing?
if it was 2007 it could be this guy
Vicenzo Tromp
http://www.vermist.nl/?url=vrm_detail_page?id=17304

[BUCKSHOT]

TROMP, Lieutenant Roy  - Dutch Aruban police Investigator; he was the initial Aruba police Lead Investigator on the disappearance case.

then they must have needed more qualified persons to deal with cover-up

enter into the equation ----------------------------------

STRAATEN, Jan van der - Former Chief of Polis, head of investigation into the disappearence of Natalee Holloway.  Reportedly a very good friend of Paulus Van der Sloot who Paulus claims he was in contact with everyday prior to the arrest of J2K..

AND

JACOBS, Dennis   - The narcotics  investigator for ALE who became the lead investigator in the Natalee Holloway case.  It was he who would not speak with Beth & Jug until he had eaten his corn flakes and shaved and made inappropriate comments about Natalee in a foreign language.
 “No, this happens all the time. Just go on down to Carlos N‘ Charlie’s and have a beer. She’ll show up sometime. She probably got drunk or fell in love and ran off with someone for a few days.”
Quote from Dave Holloway – “Dennis Jacobs responded with the following inappropriate question. How much money do you have?”

STRAATEN, Jan van der - head of cover-up department. once the investigation has been sabotaged, retire as you work is done. new corrupt officials will replace you as time drags out. keep passing the hot potato of blame.

AND

JACOBS, Dennis - narcotics investigator converted to homicide detective. no training required. just insert yourself, stall time, disrespect victim and family, and throw away evidence and statements as needed.