Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[dennisintn]

Posted on the front page of SM:

Caroline wrote:


Twenty-five years ago I was told by friends in Aruba not to drink my drink if I had left it unattended while I danced or went to the ladies room. So this is not new - though perhaps a different drug.

and now, the sons of the people who were poisoning caroline's friends drinks on aruba have sons that age who are doing the same thing, with different poisons, to the tourist girls of today.  after hearing their fathers brag about the fun times of the good old days, why should they think different.  it was acceptable then, it should be acceptable now.
dennisintn

[sirensong]

Buckeye:
Yes I remember the mention of Stephanie as Joran's girlfriend, then never again. Her last name is Croes. She was a Miss Aruba contestant along with another woman last name Oduber. Stephanie had that creepy zorpia site into satanism and posted photos of the lighthouse, the beach, the dunes etc with an ominous, leading statement about the girl. I just wish I'd saved it. She was also a 'friend' of Loco Stefy.    Now she has a new site, less creepy but still into witchcraft, and still lists Joran as a friend. She is very anti-American, or at least, believes us to be the enemy of native peoples everywhere. We've never heard that she was questioned in this case. She must be very protected.

I'll quit harping on this. I rarely post because I only know what I read here, but I've been reading from the beginning and have nothing but respect for all you monkeys, your amazing breadth of expertise, your loyalty and determination. And beyond that, the work you've done is really changing the reality of reporting in the world! and that is fascinating to watch. Ebb.

Love this part Ebb!  So very true.   

[Kat_Gram]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY FRANK

[LilPuma]

Where were Joran's little brothers?  I don't know how relevant it is, but I know it's been discussed a lot -- whether one or both brothers were with Anita in Holland when Natalee disappeared.  As I read an FP post with Paulus's statement about the night Beth arrived in Aruba, I had to wonder where the little brother that was supposedly home with Paulus was when everyone left to go find Joran at the Wyndham?   Police cars, lights, sirens, bunch of strangers and Paulus just leaves the kid home alone at 2:00 a.m. to go off into the night with these people?  Seems odd to me. 

It's odd because they were never home.  Paulus built his alibi around those two younger sons being home.  They were never home.  JMO.

I wonder if anyone ever asked the one who was supposed to be at home what he heard or saw that night. 

[Kat_Gram]

Over the time I spend here, I have mental pictures of what people might look like.
Frank, I picture as a Humphrey Bogart persona with the fedora and the trench coat, smoking a roll your own under a lamplight in Hollywood on Wiltshire Blvd.
...............
Keep the birthdays coming Frank.

 

[San]

Where were Joran's little brothers?  I don't know how relevant it is, but I know it's been discussed a lot -- whether one or both brothers were with Anita in Holland when Natalee disappeared.  As I read an FP post with Paulus's statement about the night Beth arrived in Aruba, I had to wonder where the little brother that was supposedly home with Paulus was when everyone left to go find Joran at the Wyndham?   Police cars, lights, sirens, bunch of strangers and Paulus just leaves the kid home alone at 2:00 a.m. to go off into the night with these people?  Seems odd to me. 

It's odd because they were never home.  Paulus built his alibi around those two younger sons being home.  They were never home.  JMO.

I wonder if anyone ever asked the one who was supposed to be at home what he heard or saw that night. 

I have one better.  Why wasn't the middle brother Val ever questioned.  The only time we ever heard of him being questioned was a few months ago when his fat rolie polie mother Anita said she went to the police station with him.  I will guarantee that is a complete lie and it was for other reasons.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Posted on the front page of SM:

Caroline wrote:

Twenty-five years ago I was told by friends in Aruba not to drink my drink if I had left it unattended while I danced or went to the ladies room. So this is not new - though perhaps a different drug.

and now, the sons of the people who were poisoning caroline's friends drinks on aruba have sons that age who are doing the same thing, with different poisons, to the tourist girls of today.  after hearing their fathers brag about the fun times of the good old days, why should they think different.  it was acceptable then, it should be acceptable now.
dennisintn

I always wondered why there was no reporting of husbands and wives, or daughters in the casino.  Do you think maybe they don't have fun?

(btw - aren't you a little late tonight?  I've been told you owe 2X...)

[WhiskeyGirl]

Over the time I spend here, I have mental pictures of what people might look like.
Frank, I picture as a Humphrey Bogart persona with the fedora and the trench coat, smoking a roll your own under a lamplight in Hollywood on Wiltshire Blvd.
...............
Keep the birthdays coming Frank.

 

I'm wondering if Frank was asking about an audience with the Queen?  Maybe Princess Mable or her spouse?

[Magnolia]

Posted on the front page of SM:

Wolf Hunters wrote:


here is the situation the DELICIOUS SPORTER found himself in.

this is a simple case.

3 REASONS TO HAVE TO HIDE A BODY.

1. raped
2. bruised, beaten up
3. drugged
or a combination of all three

joran was with Natalee and she went into distress
now, a reasonable person would call 911 or get help from a nearby hotel or HOLY COW i thought joran said there were people all around him when he was interviewed by GRETADELICIOUS LOVER
heck, he could have asked for help from all the people he was having to walk over when he was on the beach with Natalee

Psttttttttttt joran was never on the beach
look again !

paulus is the ONE - go sling him up

joran is going to get just what is coming to him
he better hide, he better never step foot in the USA again. nawwwww Aruba can have him
put him in a cage and make him a circus attraction. “HOW ONE PUNK KILLED A WHOLE ISLAND
TOURISM WITH JUST 1000 LIES”
by joran vander scumsucker

the dutch have failed miserably and will be forever linked to ALE.. FOREVER

ALE sucks
DUTCH LE sucks
vanderloots sucks

who have i forgotten ?

oh yea GRETA SUCKS too

This sounds like our beloved Robots.  I miss him.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Posted on the front page of SM:

Wolf Hunters wrote:


here is the situation the DELICIOUS SPORTER found himself in.

this is a simple case.

3 REASONS TO HAVE TO HIDE A BODY.

1. raped
2. bruised, beaten up
3. drugged
or a combination of all three

joran was with Natalee and she went into distress
now, a reasonable person would call 911 or get help from a nearby hotel or HOLY COW i thought joran said there were people all around him when he was interviewed by GRETADELICIOUS LOVER
heck, he could have asked for help from all the people he was having to walk over when he was on the beach with Natalee

Psttttttttttt joran was never on the beach
look again !

paulus is the ONE - go sling him up

joran is going to get just what is coming to him
he better hide, he better never step foot in the USA again. nawwwww Aruba can have him
put him in a cage and make him a circus attraction. “HOW ONE PUNK KILLED A WHOLE ISLAND
TOURISM WITH JUST 1000 LIES”
by joran vander scumsucker

the dutch have failed miserably and will be forever linked to ALE.. FOREVER

ALE sucks
DUTCH LE sucks
vanderloots sucks

who have i forgotten ?

oh yea GRETA SUCKS too

This sounds like our beloved Robots.  I miss him.

Has anyone suggested to Robots that since Joran lied, Robots job isn't done here?

[LilPuma]

To Wolf Hunters

The wolves aren't trying to hurt you, so please don't hurt them.   

[Magnolia]

Where were Joran's little brothers?  I don't know how relevant it is, but I know it's been discussed a lot -- whether one or both brothers were with Anita in Holland when Natalee disappeared.  As I read an FP post with Paulus's statement about the night Beth arrived in Aruba, I had to wonder where the little brother that was supposedly home with Paulus was when everyone left to go find Joran at the Wyndham?   Police cars, lights, sirens, bunch of strangers and Paulus just leaves the kid home alone at 2:00 a.m. to go off into the night with these people?  Seems odd to me. 

It's odd because they were never home.  Paulus built his alibi around those two younger sons being home.  They were never home.  JMO.

I agree, San.  Didn't Widget find that they, or two other Van der Sloots, were
on the flight with Anita?  I have never thought they came home with Paulus.

[Debra]

Santa Lucia: "Hidden in plain view"

Rancho Daimari????

Yes, it fits Shango's "Hidden In Plain View" (as does other places)
Also, his clues of "country house"=cunucu
The Daimari Ranch would be a place the boys knew well
It is the Cunucu rental house on the left and small apts that caught my attention
And...Obuder's own the Daimari Ranch

[wreck]

Posted on the front page of SM:

Wolf Hunters wrote:


here is the situation the DELICIOUS SPORTER found himself in.

this is a simple case.

3 REASONS TO HAVE TO HIDE A BODY.

1. raped
2. bruised, beaten up
3. drugged
or a combination of all three

joran was with Natalee and she went into distress
now, a reasonable person would call 911 or get help from a nearby hotel or HOLY COW i thought joran said there were people all around him when he was interviewed by GRETADELICIOUS LOVER
heck, he could have asked for help from all the people he was having to walk over when he was on the beach with Natalee

Psttttttttttt joran was never on the beach
look again !

paulus is the ONE - go sling him up

joran is going to get just what is coming to him
he better hide, he better never step foot in the USA again. nawwwww Aruba can have him
put him in a cage and make him a circus attraction. “HOW ONE PUNK KILLED A WHOLE ISLAND
TOURISM WITH JUST 1000 LIES”
by joran vander scumsucker

the dutch have failed miserably and will be forever linked to ALE.. FOREVER

ALE sucks
DUTCH LE sucks
vanderloots sucks

who have i forgotten ?

oh yea GRETA SUCKS too

This post almost sounds like ROBOTS

Couldn't be robots -- no mention of joe tacopena "sucking"

[Debra]

re: Coconut Plantation
Adding...The 6:30 am phone call from Santa Lucia
IMO Most likely Joran calling Paulus

[letsgetthiscasesolved]

Where were Joran's little brothers?  I don't know how relevant it is, but I know it's been discussed a lot -- whether one or both brothers were with Anita in Holland when Natalee disappeared.  As I read an FP post with Paulus's statement about the night Beth arrived in Aruba, I had to wonder where the little brother that was supposedly home with Paulus was when everyone left to go find Joran at the Wyndham?   Police cars, lights, sirens, bunch of strangers and Paulus just leaves the kid home alone at 2:00 a.m. to go off into the night with these people?  Seems odd to me. 

It's odd because they were never home.  Paulus built his alibi around those two younger sons being home.  They were never home.  JMO.

I agree, San.  Didn't Widget find that they, or two other Van der Sloots, were
on the flight with Anita?  I have never thought they came home with Paulus.

In Peter R DV's second NH report only Sebastiaan, the youngest was at home...with his dad and were sleeping when Joran left, so it was said.

[anidac]

I think I have been staying up reading in the cage way too much lately.  I woke up this  morning after dreaming that Joran and the 2k didn't really spend the evening with Nat.  I dreamed that she was alone with Paulus who "did something bad" and freaked for his reputation.  He called J2K to come clean up the mess so he could cover for all of them while being able to cover for himself as well.

I think I have gone round the bend on this case.  LOL

(NOTE:  The above is not my theory but rather my sharing of a silly dream I had after too much time in the cage and scouring the news.)

[San]

Where were Joran's little brothers?  I don't know how relevant it is, but I know it's been discussed a lot -- whether one or both brothers were with Anita in Holland when Natalee disappeared.  As I read an FP post with Paulus's statement about the night Beth arrived in Aruba, I had to wonder where the little brother that was supposedly home with Paulus was when everyone left to go find Joran at the Wyndham?   Police cars, lights, sirens, bunch of strangers and Paulus just leaves the kid home alone at 2:00 a.m. to go off into the night with these people?  Seems odd to me. 

It's odd because they were never home.  Paulus built his alibi around those two younger sons being home.  They were never home.  JMO.

I agree, San.  Didn't Widget find that they, or two other Van der Sloots, were on the flight with Anita?   I have never thought they came home with Paulus.

Yes he did Magnolia and I always believed Widget.

[klaasend]

re: Coconut Plantation
Adding...The 6:30 am phone call from Santa Lucia
IMO Most likely Joran calling Paulus

PLANTAGE DAIMARI PROJECTONTWIKKELING- EN RECREATIE MAATSCHAPPIJ NV 
 
Business address TANKI LEENDERT 249, NOORD 

[cubbeegirl]

Where were Joran's little brothers?  I don't know how relevant it is, but I know it's been discussed a lot -- whether one or both brothers were with Anita in Holland when Natalee disappeared.  As I read an FP post with Paulus's statement about the night Beth arrived in Aruba, I had to wonder where the little brother that was supposedly home with Paulus was when everyone left to go find Joran at the Wyndham?   Police cars, lights, sirens, bunch of strangers and Paulus just leaves the kid home alone at 2:00 a.m. to go off into the night with these people?  Seems odd to me. 

It's odd because they were never home.  Paulus built his alibi around those two younger sons being home.  They were never home.  JMO.

I agree, San.  Didn't Widget find that they, or two other Van der Sloots, were on the flight with Anita?   I have never thought they came home with Paulus.

Yes he did Magnolia and I always believed Widget.

Me too San.... I miss Widget very much.....hopefully he is busy being a happy daddy to those two beautiful girls....