Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[San]

Where were Joran's little brothers?  I don't know how relevant it is, but I know it's been discussed a lot -- whether one or both brothers were with Anita in Holland when Natalee disappeared.  As I read an FP post with Paulus's statement about the night Beth arrived in Aruba, I had to wonder where the little brother that was supposedly home with Paulus was when everyone left to go find Joran at the Wyndham?   Police cars, lights, sirens, bunch of strangers and Paulus just leaves the kid home alone at 2:00 a.m. to go off into the night with these people?  Seems odd to me. 

It's odd because they were never home.  Paulus built his alibi around those two younger sons being home.  They were never home.  JMO.

I agree, San.  Didn't Widget find that they, or two other Van der Sloots, were on the flight with Anita?   I have never thought they came home with Paulus.

Yes he did Magnolia and I always believed Widget.

Me too San.... I miss Widget very much.....hopefully he is busy being a happy daddy to those two beautiful girls....

Me too Cubbee.

[Debra]

re: Coconut Plantation
Adding...The 6:30 am phone call from Santa Lucia
IMO Most likely Joran calling Paulus

PLANTAGE DAIMARI PROJECTONTWIKKELING- EN RECREATIE MAATSCHAPPIJ NV 
 
Business address TANKI LEENDERT 249, NOORD 

Right...Corporate office...
The Ranch/Cucunu House & Apts.
in Santa Lucia right near the Natual Bridge.

[hotping]

I think I have been staying up reading in the cage way too much lately.  I woke up this  morning after dreaming that Joran and the 2k didn't really spend the evening with Nat.  I dreamed that she was alone with Paulus who "did something bad" and freaked for his reputation.  He called J2K to come clean up the mess so he could cover for all of them while being able to cover for himself as well.

I think I have gone round the bend on this case.  LOL

(NOTE:  The above is not my theory but rather my sharing of a silly dream I had after too much time in the cage and scouring the news.)

Pay attention to your dreams--God's angels often speak directly to our hearts when we are asleep.

-Eileen Elias Freeman,
"The Angels' Little Instruction Book" 

[klaasend]

re: Coconut Plantation
Adding...The 6:30 am phone call from Santa Lucia
IMO Most likely Joran calling Paulus

PLANTAGE DAIMARI PROJECTONTWIKKELING- EN RECREATIE MAATSCHAPPIJ NV 
 
Business address TANKI LEENDERT 249, NOORD 

Right...Corporate office...
The Ranch/Cucunu House & Apts.
in Santa Lucia right near the Natual Bridge.

Well the chamber says business address not corporate office.  Do you have a link to the website or anything that shows that address in Santa Lucia?

[Kermit]

Santa Lucia: "Hidden in plain view"

Rancho Daimari????

Yes, it fits Shango's "Hidden In Plain View" (as does other places)
Also, his clues of "country house"=cunucu
The Daimari Ranch would be a place the boys knew well
It is the Cunucu rental house on the left and small apts that caught my attention
And...Obuder's own the Daimari Ranch

Daimari Ranch has paintball and if memory serves me that is what the Alexx friend of Lorenzo's liked to play
paintball.

Tanki Leendert 249
Kalpoes would have to virtually drive right past it. And it's near Lorenzo's house.

[anidac]

I think I have been staying up reading in the cage way too much lately.  I woke up this morning after dreaming that Joran and the 2k didn't really spend the evening with Nat.  I dreamed that she was alone with Paulus who "did something bad" and freaked for his reputation.  He called J2K to come clean up the mess so he could cover for all of them while being able to cover for himself as well.

I think I have gone round the bend on this case.  LOL

(NOTE:  The above is not my theory but rather my sharing of a silly dream I had after too much time in the cage and scouring the news.)

Pay attention to your dreams--God's angels often speak directly to our hearts when we are asleep.

-Eileen Elias Freeman,
"The Angels' Little Instruction Book" 

You know, your advice is something I normally follow.  It is my minds way of making order out of chaos.  But this one time I have no facts to make be trust the information in my dream.  I rather believe that my mind decided to enhance the story and look at it in a different way because this case is so predictable we can all tell what the next headline will be before it happens.  It was just wishful thinking that maybe we have all the correct pieces but have them arranged in the wrong spaces giving us a completely inaccurate picture.  But it is interesting to think of the what if's from time to time as long as I don't forget the hard facts we have in front of us.

As you can tell, I have nothing productive to offer the group lately.  There just isn't any new pieces to analyze.  I think we all know exactly what happened, when, and where.  The missing piece is simply a human that will talk face to face with the judge to confirm the information.

[Tamikosmom]

Roy Tromp - lead Investigator
"Paulus van der Sloot's Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005

Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said."

Where is this Roy Tromp fella right now?  What's he up to? 

What's the missing Aruban man's name again?

Dare I ask if they are related?

What does "know exactly what to do" mean exactly???  I don't think I would know exactly what to do if my kid called me and said he had a dead girl on his hands...would you?

Lala'sMom ... yours and Paulus mentality differs.  It would never enter your mind to do anything but call 911 and let the "powers that be" handle the situation and ... you would let the chips fall where they may in regards to your daughter/son taking personal responsibility.

Paulus' has a mindset that implies that the "deceased" person is not a priority ... the priority shield his son from haveing to take personal responsibility for his actions.  At that point Paulus' know exactly what has to be done ... get assistance ... dispose of the body ...  take advantage of personal connections ...

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY FRANK!!!

 

Janet

[hotping]

I think I have been staying up reading in the cage way too much lately.  I woke up this morning after dreaming that Joran and the 2k didn't really spend the evening with Nat.  I dreamed that she was alone with Paulus who "did something bad" and freaked for his reputation.  He called J2K to come clean up the mess so he could cover for all of them while being able to cover for himself as well.

I think I have gone round the bend on this case.  LOL

(NOTE:  The above is not my theory but rather my sharing of a silly dream I had after too much time in the cage and scouring the news.)

Pay attention to your dreams--God's angels often speak directly to our hearts when we are asleep.

-Eileen Elias Freeman,
"The Angels' Little Instruction Book" 

You know, your advice is something I normally follow.  It is my minds way of making order out of chaos.  But this one time I have no facts to make be trust the information in my dream.  I rather believe that my mind decided to enhance the story and look at it in a different way because this case is so predictable we can all tell what the next headline will be before it happens.  It was just wishful thinking that maybe we have all the correct pieces but have them arranged in the wrong spaces giving us a completely inaccurate picture.  But it is interesting to think of the what if's from time to time as long as I don't forget the hard facts we have in front of us.

As you can tell, I have nothing productive to offer the group lately.  There just isn't any new pieces to analyze.  I think we all know exactly what happened, when, and where.  The missing piece is simply a human that will talk face to face with the judge to confirm the information.

I know exactly what You mean I haven't been a Monkey very long but I can see that there are some Very Smart Monkeys that have worked really hard to put this all together...then only to be knocked out of the tree so to speak...by all the covering up that is and was going on....I really admire each and everyone of them...I just wish that Someone would just tell the truth....We can only Pray that it will happen one day and hopefully soon....   

[Magnolia]

For what it's worth......
I think that they took Natalee to the crazy painted house of Lorenzo's.
I think that was where they took all 20 of the previous victims.
Natalee was raped and beaten there and then they intended to
take her to the beach near her hotel to drop her off. 
I think she became ill in the Kalpoe car on the way back to the beach area
and had a seizure and died....from trauma and a head injury and drugs.
I don't know if they tried to dispose of her body that night or waited
until the next day when all of the Racquet Club stuff was reported.
But my guess is that they did the boat trip that night on Koen's boat,
because Koen and Sander were in on the rape.  I think that Joran called
Sander's cell phone to tell him to bring the boat and that is why Sander's
phone was "lost".

[letsgetthiscasesolved]

For what it's worth......
I think that they took Natalee to the crazy painted house of Lorenzo's.
I think that was where they took all 20 of the previous victims.
Natalee was raped and beaten there and then they intended to
take her to the beach near her hotel to drop her off. 
I think she became ill in the Kalpoe car on the way back to the beach area
and had a seizure and died....from trauma and a head injury and drugs.
I don't know if they tried to dispose of her body that night or waited
until the next day when all of the Racquet Club stuff was reported.
But my guess is that they did the boat trip that night on Koen's boat,
because Koen and Sander were in on the rape.  I think that Joran called
Sander's cell phone to tell him to bring the boat and that is why Sander's
phone was "lost".

Compared whith what i've read and all the 235 interiogations with all sorts of people  they made it makes sense...

[Observer]

For what it's worth......
I think that they took Natalee to the crazy painted house of Lorenzo's.
I think that was where they took all 20 of the previous victims.
Natalee was raped and beaten there and then they intended to
take her to the beach near her hotel to drop her off. 
I think she became ill in the Kalpoe car on the way back to the beach area
and had a seizure and died....from trauma and a head injury and drugs.
I don't know if they tried to dispose of her body that night or waited
until the next day when all of the Racquet Club stuff was reported.
But my guess is that they did the boat trip that night on Koen's boat,
because Koen and Sander were in on the rape.  I think that Joran called
Sander's cell phone to tell him to bring the boat and that is why Sander's
phone was "lost".

Compared whith what i've read and all the 235 interiogations with all sorts of people  they made it makes sense...

Funny you should mention that Magnolia. I vividly remember one of the first days in this case a local teenager on TV talking about the crazy guy with a crazy painted painted house.

[San]

For what it's worth......
I think that they took Natalee to the crazy painted house of Lorenzo's.
I think that was where they took all 20 of the previous victims.
Natalee was raped and beaten there and then they intended to
take her to the beach near her hotel to drop her off. 
I think she became ill in the Kalpoe car on the way back to the beach area
and had a seizure and died....from trauma and a head injury and drugs.
I don't know if they tried to dispose of her body that night or waited
until the next day when all of the Racquet Club stuff was reported.
But my guess is that they did the boat trip that night on Koen's boat,
because Koen and Sander were in on the rape.  I think that Joran called Sander's cell phone to tell him to bring the boat and that is why Sander's phone was "lost".

I agree with most of your post Magnolia.  Paulus is heavily involved and I think from start to finish he was there.  If he was only guilty of disposal of a body he would be jumping for joy but there is more.  Karin Janssen original charges against Paulus are too much to ignore for me.

[hotping]

For what it's worth......
I think that they took Natalee to the crazy painted house of Lorenzo's.
I think that was where they took all 20 of the previous victims.
Natalee was raped and beaten there and then they intended to
take her to the beach near her hotel to drop her off. 
I think she became ill in the Kalpoe car on the way back to the beach area
and had a seizure and died....from trauma and a head injury and drugs.
I don't know if they tried to dispose of her body that night or waited
until the next day when all of the Racquet Club stuff was reported.
But my guess is that they did the boat trip that night on Koen's boat,
because Koen and Sander were in on the rape.  I think that Joran called
Sander's cell phone to tell him to bring the boat and that is why Sander's
phone was "lost".

Magnolia...I still think at some point Natalee was at the Sloot's house...otherwise the search would not have been blocked.....I also wonder about the 20 other times this has been done...I wish just a couple of those girls would come forward and tell there story to the FBI or someone so that We could at least get It Out to the MSM...Boycott Aruba! Stay Away From Aruba Please Your Life Could Depend On IT!   

[letsgetthiscasesolved]

For what it's worth......
I think that they took Natalee to the crazy painted house of Lorenzo's.
I think that was where they took all 20 of the previous victims.
Natalee was raped and beaten there and then they intended to
take her to the beach near her hotel to drop her off. 
I think she became ill in the Kalpoe car on the way back to the beach area
and had a seizure and died....from trauma and a head injury and drugs.
I don't know if they tried to dispose of her body that night or waited
until the next day when all of the Racquet Club stuff was reported.
But my guess is that they did the boat trip that night on Koen's boat,
because Koen and Sander were in on the rape.  I think that Joran called
Sander's cell phone to tell him to bring the boat and that is why Sander's
phone was "lost".

Compared whith what i've read and all the 235 interiogations with all sorts of people  they made it makes sense...

Funny you should mention that Magnolia. I vividly remember one of the first days in this case a local teenager on TV talking about the crazy guy with a spray painted house.

Locoman?
Bingo!

[klaasend]

For what it's worth......
I think that they took Natalee to the crazy painted house of Lorenzo's.
I think that was where they took all 20 of the previous victims.
Natalee was raped and beaten there and then they intended to
take her to the beach near her hotel to drop her off. 
I think she became ill in the Kalpoe car on the way back to the beach area
and had a seizure and died....from trauma and a head injury and drugs.
I don't know if they tried to dispose of her body that night or waited
until the next day when all of the Racquet Club stuff was reported.
But my guess is that they did the boat trip that night on Koen's boat,
because Koen and Sander were in on the rape.  I think that Joran called
Sander's cell phone to tell him to bring the boat and that is why Sander's
phone was "lost".

Compared whith what i've read and all the 235 interiogations with all sorts of people  they made it makes sense...

Funny you should mention that Magnolia. I vividly remember one of the first days in this case a local teenager on TV talking about the crazy guy with a spray painted house.

Locoman?
Bingo!

When I hear Locoman I think of Freddy since that the name he had on his Tickle site.  But there would be two, IMO

Freddy Arambatzis
or
Lorenzo van Rijn

[San]

For what it's worth......
I think that they took Natalee to the crazy painted house of Lorenzo's.
I think that was where they took all 20 of the previous victims.
Natalee was raped and beaten there and then they intended to
take her to the beach near her hotel to drop her off. 
I think she became ill in the Kalpoe car on the way back to the beach area
and had a seizure and died....from trauma and a head injury and drugs.
I don't know if they tried to dispose of her body that night or waited
until the next day when all of the Racquet Club stuff was reported.
But my guess is that they did the boat trip that night on Koen's boat,
because Koen and Sander were in on the rape.  I think that Joran called
Sander's cell phone to tell him to bring the boat and that is why Sander's
phone was "lost".

Magnolia...I still think at some point Natalee was at the Sloot's house...otherwise the search would not have been blocked.....I also wonder about the 20 other times this has been done...I wish just a couple of those girls would come forward and tell there story to the FBI or someone so that We could at least get It Out to the MSM...Boycott Aruba! Stay Away From Aruba Please Your Life Could Depend On IT!   

I agree.

[Magnolia]

For what it's worth......
I think that they took Natalee to the crazy painted house of Lorenzo's.
I think that was where they took all 20 of the previous victims.
Natalee was raped and beaten there and then they intended to
take her to the beach near her hotel to drop her off. 
I think she became ill in the Kalpoe car on the way back to the beach area
and had a seizure and died....from trauma and a head injury and drugs.
I don't know if they tried to dispose of her body that night or waited
until the next day when all of the Racquet Club stuff was reported.
But my guess is that they did the boat trip that night on Koen's boat,
because Koen and Sander were in on the rape.  I think that Joran called
Sander's cell phone to tell him to bring the boat and that is why Sander's
phone was "lost".

Compared whith what i've read and all the 235 interiogations with all sorts of people  they made it makes sense...

Funny you should mention that Magnolia. I vividly remember one of the first days in this case a local teenager on TV talking about the crazy guy with a crazy painted painted house.

That house was mentioned by islanders from the very beginning.
I think that may be the extent of Lorenzo's involvement.....he owned the
property and allowed Joran to use it for his PIMP partys.

[letsgetthiscasesolved]

For what it's worth......
I think that they took Natalee to the crazy painted house of Lorenzo's.
I think that was where they took all 20 of the previous victims.
Natalee was raped and beaten there and then they intended to
take her to the beach near her hotel to drop her off. 
I think she became ill in the Kalpoe car on the way back to the beach area
and had a seizure and died....from trauma and a head injury and drugs.
I don't know if they tried to dispose of her body that night or waited
until the next day when all of the Racquet Club stuff was reported.
But my guess is that they did the boat trip that night on Koen's boat,
because Koen and Sander were in on the rape.  I think that Joran called
Sander's cell phone to tell him to bring the boat and that is why Sander's
phone was "lost".

Compared whith what i've read and all the 235 interiogations with all sorts of people  they made it makes sense...

Funny you should mention that Magnolia. I vividly remember one of the first days in this case a local teenager on TV talking about the crazy guy with a crazy painted painted house.

That house was mentioned by islanders from the very beginning.
I think that may be the extent of Lorenzo's involvement.....he owned the
property and allowed Joran to use it for his PIMP partys.

Whatever arends or arendz thought that by locoman lorenzo was the name they thought that would be the same as lorenzo..aka locoman=lorenzo

[hotping]

For what it's worth......
I think that they took Natalee to the crazy painted house of Lorenzo's.
I think that was where they took all 20 of the previous victims.
Natalee was raped and beaten there and then they intended to
take her to the beach near her hotel to drop her off. 
I think she became ill in the Kalpoe car on the way back to the beach area
and had a seizure and died....from trauma and a head injury and drugs.
I don't know if they tried to dispose of her body that night or waited
until the next day when all of the Racquet Club stuff was reported.
But my guess is that they did the boat trip that night on Koen's boat,
because Koen and Sander were in on the rape.  I think that Joran called
Sander's cell phone to tell him to bring the boat and that is why Sander's
phone was "lost".

Compared whith what i've read and all the 235 interiogations with all sorts of people  they made it makes sense...

Funny you should mention that Magnolia. I vividly remember one of the first days in this case a local teenager on TV talking about the crazy guy with a crazy painted painted house.

That house was mentioned by islanders from the very beginning.
I think that may be the extent of Lorenzo's involvement.....he owned the
property and allowed Joran to use it for his PIMP partys.

I think about Papa Sloot sitting next to Natalee at the Casino and I can't help but think that maybe He picked Her out and Joran took Her home to Him since Mama Sloot wasn't home.....that's why Joran said to His Mom "If You had been Home this would not have happened" ...