Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[Dayhiker]

It seems to me that the Kalpoe brother's were not present when Natalie died.  I think that explains why none of the three ratted the other out.  I think that the Kalpoe's were involved in some type of incriminating behavior (i.e. date rape drug) but that they didn't know what happened to Natalee.  Any thoughts?

Just waking up here but I agree about the K2's.  I think the only reason they agreed to go along with the lie was because they knew Natalee was given a drug and Joran threatened them.  I believe also that they JK2 have drugged girls together before Natalee.

I agree with this, too, and if so it is time for the Dutch to roll out their CROWN WITNESS PROGRAM and put an end to the VAN DER SLOOTS' CRIMES.


It is in Aruba's and Holland's best interest to put a cap on the case and get their dirty Van der Sloots in prison. If they offered the Kalpoes Crown Witness status they could solve the case and K2 could be free to go about their merry way suing people. Just do it!

[private eye]

San is some kind of Houdini!

SAN is a powerpoint wiz.  The monkey bullet points and transparent background were my ideas but San figured out how to do it, LOL 

Klaas and Monkeys,

Should we have 2 or 3 tiers of facts of the case, based upon level of credibility of the facts, or whether it is evidence in the case file, known to Beth etc, accepted by, known first hand, second hand, or some ranking. I noticed someone had prepared an "organizational chart" of the parties that accomplished the coverup, which was nice. I wonder if we should prepare an organizational chart of the Aruban government showing powers of that "agency" and then "superimpose that chart" over the organizational chart of individuals to see what agency had the power to affect an act of the cover up and then try to narrow it down as to which employee acted on behalf of Joran. What did you think about the Criminal Law Summary contained in the Human Rights Document at the University of Minnesota. The documents is about Human Rights and Torture, but in the course of enforcing that treaty is seemed to give an English Version of a fairly specific summation of Aruban Law. If we felt that is indeed credible, then we would have the ability to compare the OM's explanation of why such and such was done applicable to the Aruban law, which we were always told we didn't understand.

Then begin at the first of the case, and try and establish at what point something was needed to be done to affect the coverup, and then pin point which agency had the authority to accomplish it, and then look to see who most likely accomplished it. While there are many in Aruba who know of specific acts which were unusual, there are few decision makers who were actually a part of the coverup. The Dutch don't staff the individual policemans, but they do police management, they don't staff the entire proscecutors office, but top people they do, and so on.

I got the impression Dompig was confused at what was going on at times. He was jsut doing his job when he reported the 06/10/2005 confession, but once it hit the news, I think the dutch jumped Rudy and Rudy brought Dompig under control, only I am not sure he was told everything. Rudy seemed to sweep all accidental leaks under the rug when their was a mistake made in the cover up, no matter how obvious the act was, and he didn't seem particularly happy about it. There is a huge disconect between the courts, police, and prosecutor vs the Aruban government and the OMs.

If you follow this you are brilliant, because I am not sure what I have written,:) But I think this might be too large to pull together. I was going to add should we also create an organizational chart so to speak of social relationships to establish the social fabric of the island, or should it be treated like an additional agency of the Aruban government to account for types like Renhoe?

[LilPuma]

In all fairness to Caseu, we have heard reports of and seen photographs of some of the "elders" and "the cubs of the elders" wearing these masks when they drugged and raped or otherwise were molesting these young women.  That is the reason for 4 x 4 mentioning "scary." 

In fact, we had a report by one young woman who believed Natalee to be a girl who was being raped by an elder in a mask.  Not sure what the integrity of that report was, but we have seen photographs and heard of the reasons for the "mystic masks" aside from Carnival. 

Carnival, similar to our Mardi Gras, where masks are worn for "wardrobing necessity" but there might be others, as we have even seen in movies, who use the masks as disguise while they commit horrendous crimes.

Anyone see the movie Eyes Wide Shut?   Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman 1999.  Masks, secrecy for high rollers in a private club.  Lots of sex all over the place.  Keep kids at grandma's if you rent it.  Steve Isaacs sings in the soundtrack, "They did a bad bad thing......they did a bad bad thing"

[Anna]

Tylergal,
 
I remember in the very beginning of all of this that it may have been your DH who contacted Dan Rhiel before we even knew the name of "the girl" who was missing.  I believe that is how Dan came to be aware of the situation so early when it was just a local news item.
 
We have been standing by the girl since then and I will continue to do so but it is for Beth that I hang in here now.  Natalee is beyond any Earthly needs now but I would do anything within my power to sustain and support Beth because I am a mother, too.
 
We have chased Grindle codes, run the Red Queen's race, chased after sex slavers and the Russian Mafia.  We have had our lives threatened, our computers' hacked, been sent more porn than Hugh Hefner, lambasted and banned, giving new meaning to the old cliché "been thrown out of better places than this"!
 
We have waded through chat rooms in foreign languages we could barely grasp, looked at more MySpace pages than the average college freshman, gone through real life weddings, funerals, births and deaths, sickness and health, but always managed to find time to make a post or two if only to be counted among those supporting. 
 
We've strained our eyes looking for pictures within pictures and hidden meanings and messages, been accused of being related to people in this investigation and having some hidden agenda.  As the shadows grow longer in the East for me, I am less inclined to explain myself and my skin grows ever thicker but one thing I do know for sure.  And I am sure I speak for many when I say this but I am very happy to have had you as a friend along for this wild journey on which we have all been for so long now.  I am always deeply flattered when people often confuse us despite the fact we live hundreds of miles apart.
 
I don't think we have learned much more for all those efforts than we knew almost immediately but we have uncovered every rock and nook and cranny that has been presented.  I am proud to have you as my friend as that friendship has been one of the bright spots in this sad and tragic episode.  And while I certainly stand with The Girl, it is for the mother that I remain after all this time.  My own children have traveled too close to this circle of events to turn away but even if they hadn't, I think any one with a heart could feel for Beth.
 
Anyone, that is, except for those conducting this bogus investigation and with the power to set things right.  And I do believe that is what will be their ultimate undoing.  No, we can't force them to do the right thing but the whole world is watching and wondering just what kind of people are these that would do this.  Liars lie, thieves steal so what do their actions say about them? 
 
Thank you, Tylergal, for being you and being my friend.  You have made this all bearable in so many ways and been a constant source of encouragement and comfort to us all.  And I am so glad you did not get blown away yesterday in the storms but that was much too close for comfort.
 
My rant for the day. . .

.

[Anna]

Does Paulus have large freckles or liver spots on his back as was asked when the young girl who supposedly saw the video mentioned?

Yes, masks have come to hold sinister meaning for many of us now.

Sure don't feel the same way about them that I used to before this happened.

.

[Rob]

Anna, very nice post above.. truly stellar..

As for Paulus, to me he is always identified by his sasquatch like arms. They are plainly visible in the casino video and all other videos when he is not hiding them under a long sleeved shirt in the blazing Aruban sun.

You don't need hairlines, glasses, profiles in colors inverted when the hairiest arms on Aruba are plainly visible.

Between Sasquatch and Frankenstein, there's not much missing.

[Anna]

But Rudy Croes and Nelson Oduber are very anti-Dutch and also recall that when Natalee disappeared, the ALE was in the process of some sort of wage negotiation and had even threatened to walk off the job, I believe was about overtime pay or something like that.

Their "system" was already in shambles before this happened with Natalee and her family having this misfortune happen at a time when all this infighting and demand for aparte status and even disgruntled police officers was brewing.

Sort of like a perfect storm of incompetence already in the works.

I have always thought these things contributed to making the cover up easier for those wishing to make that happen, total lack of unity and communication. 

'Way past time to have fixed all that, too.

MOO

.

.

[LilPuma]

Preview, Preview, Preview.....you know we are working on putting together an outline to send to the various media outlets. Red is going to use the same, or similar outline to do posts on the front page of SM.

San was working on a sample template tonight...check this out.  Don't pay attention to the words, this was just a test to play around with the design  

Should I be offended?     Actually, that's what I had in mind when I put together the "off the top of my head" list on the FP.  Get the main facts and players together in a format that's easy to follow. 

[crazybabyborg]

Even before Joran's confession, there was a lot of evidence of Paulus' involvement in Natalee's disappearance. Those pieces take on even more significance in light of it. Below is a sampling of the pieces that point toward Joran's Father being the "Daury" that Joran named. There is more; much more.



Mickey John
On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteran - June 29/05 JOHN:....... “He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

************************************************************************

Aruba, by Dave Holloway: pg. 118-119

"Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I (Dave) saw Deputy Police Comissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos and Charlie's. The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from these two. As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity. The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of women. I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions. He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder. That brought to mind one of Joran's statements. He referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos. Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat. The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea. Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.

Aruba by Dave Holloway (Pg.181)

In October, 2005 Aruban authorities approached Dave Holloway and informed him that Koen Gottenbos could possibly be the key to solving the case.  Nevertheless, Koen was never interrogated again in spite of the promises of Gerold Dompig.  The assistant prosecutor, Amalin Flanegin, quit because she believed that Koen lied when he was interrogated in the initial stages of the investigation, and Dompig refused bring him in again.  A meeting that took place between Koen's father and the investigators could possibly reveal an explanation.

******************************************************************


Superior Court - Diario - 02-14-2007
“Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.” (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/

Beth and Jug Twitty maintain that on the morning of May 31, 2005 Paulus Van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at McDonald's parking lot at 4:00 AM on May 30, 2005 - mere hours after Natalee Holloway had gone missing. Beth recorded this time in her journal. However, by June 16/17, 2005 Paulus had changed the pickup time to 11:00 PM on May 29, 2005.

The Aruban Attorney representing Natalee's family stated in a letter to the prosector that Jug asserts Claudio Eldrige is aware of the time that Paulus stated and she inquires as to whether or not Claudio has been interrogated.

***********************************************************************

Electronic record timeline for May 30
7:02 am: Paulus visits hotmail

7:34-7:37 pm: Paulus vists several stock-related sites

7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs". Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office. The sites are visited only briefly.

9:18 pm: VDS computer infected with virus

****************************************************************


PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT WAS ALLOWED TO CHANGE HIS SON'S STATEMENT TO POLICE

Paulus Van Der Sloot was allowed to be present when the Aruban police took Joran's first witness statement and was allowed to edit Joran's statement before it was entered into the public record. That statement is still missing.

Furthermore it was his close friend and Lead Investigator Jan van der Straten who was present for the statement and allowed Paulus Van Der Sloot to edit his son's statement.


***************************************************************************
And in this segment Deepak seems to indicate Paulus Van der Sloot is involved in the crime.

D to J: You don’t give a shit about your the members of your won family
J to D: The only thing that I can think of is my family I do what my family tells me to do
J to D: Right, +++++
D to J: Your own father, unbelievable
J to D: Wat my father,it is your [plural your] fault that he is arrested. I didn’t declare anything against my father, you [plural you] declared against my father

And that, IMO, is some very heavy circumstantial evidence implicating PvdS. 

.

Thx, Anna. I posted that hoping to get opinions on whether the info cited is appropriate for what we'd like to accomplish with getting interesting facts to MSM. The nexus to a cover-up is through Paulus, and so I started there, to bolster that link. It seems to me that since Joran's Confession has had such an impact, and there is already speculation that Paulus is "Daury", that first we should help them along with that, then take that flow to answer why and how this case has stalled under a cover-up. Paulus is that link.

What I've included is pretty basic, but it is easily verified through common guests to shows that have covered the story, and contains the sources to direct who to contact, and it fits with Joran's confession. I'm working on a "cover-up" synopsis in a similar way, but would love some input and critique from you guys. I'm not sensitive or anything so don't worry about it if you feel it just misses the mark. I just want us to be effective in this endeavor!

[klaasend]

Lilpuma - your outline is great!  I was just saying that the SAMPLE was just that, a sample to show the design.  For media and others, things like JK2 maybe need to be spelled out.  It's clear to us but may not be clear to others.

FWIW - I posted your outline in the forum and have said this is the type of thing we need to send.  Simple outline to the point.

[Anna]

CBB,

My only concern is making it short enough that people in the media will actually read it!  We could fill reams and volumes but I fear they will zone out if presented with too much.

Also the only other thing I can think of is that I think it is important to stay away from third-party statements and hearsay as much as possible as I don't believe reputable journalists and those we want to read it would find that credible.  Like the rules for taping conversation, at least one involved party for use as a source.

But basically that is my only concern, how to address the Short Attention Span factor.  Don't have a clue how to do that, either, but am thinking. 

How to squeeze 5,000 words into 300.

Don't guess "Joran did it; Paulus helped!" would work, either.   

That is what I see as the greatest challenge but with everyone working on it, I know we will figure it out.

.

[private eye]

Tylergal,
 
I remember in the very beginning of all of this that it may have been your DH who contacted Dan Rhiel before we even knew the name of "the girl" who was missing.  I believe that is how Dan came to be aware of the situation so early when it was just a local news item.
 
We have been standing by the girl since then and I will continue to do so but it is for Beth that I hang in here now.  Natalee is beyond any Earthly needs now but I would do anything within my power to sustain and support Beth because I am a mother, too.
 
We have chased Grindle codes, run the Red Queen's race, chased after sex slavers and the Russian Mafia.  We have had our lives threatened, our computers' hacked, been sent more porn than Hugh Hefner, lambasted and banned, giving new meaning to the old cliché "been thrown out of better places than this"!
 
We have waded through chat rooms in foreign languages we could barely grasp, looked at more MySpace pages than the average college freshman, gone through real life weddings, funerals, births and deaths, sickness and health, but always managed to find time to make a post or two if only to be counted among those supporting. 
 
We've strained our eyes looking for pictures within pictures and hidden meanings and messages, been accused of being related to people in this investigation and having some hidden agenda.  As the shadows grow longer in the East for me, I am less inclined to explain myself and my skin grows ever thicker but one thing I do know for sure.  And I am sure I speak for many when I say this but I am very happy to have had you as a friend along for this wild journey on which we have all been for so long now.  I am always deeply flattered when people often confuse us despite the fact we live hundreds of miles apart.
 
I don't think we have learned much more for all those efforts than we knew almost immediately but we have uncovered every rock and nook and cranny that has been presented.  I am proud to have you as my friend as that friendship has been one of the bright spots in this sad and tragic episode.  And while I certainly stand with The Girl, it is for the mother that I remain after all this time.  My own children have traveled too close to this circle of events to turn away but even if they hadn't, I think any one with a heart could feel for Beth.
 
Anyone, that is, except for those conducting this bogus investigation and with the power to set things right.  And I do believe that is what will be their ultimate undoing.  No, we can't force them to do the right thing but the whole world is watching and wondering just what kind of people are these that would do this.  Liars lie, thieves steal so what do their actions say about them? 
 
Thank you, Tylergal, for being you and being my friend.  You have made this all bearable in so many ways and been a constant source of encouragement and comfort to us all.  And I am so glad you did not get blown away yesterday in the storms but that was much too close for comfort.
 
My rant for the day. . .

.

I think that was an excellent post on so many levels.

 I woke up thinking along the same veins, wondering how to reconcile Joran's taped infomercial with the fact that Natalee left with Joran and the 2 brothers, the three of them have lied as one much of the time, and just lied the rest of the time, and when Beth got there the three of them and PVS were all busy as bees and had already concocted a false alibi before Natalee even was missing for sure? That has to be theoriginal core group of guilt.

One by one people were involved by knowledge, and then incremently by participation. The coverup evolved from the guilty, those who were with the guilty, PVDS, and then his friends on a need to help involvement. Then we have the Arubans who were involved by blackmail, and the Arubans who slowly became aware all was not right by the actions of their bosses, such as fabric with blood becoming chocolate, the interuption of the interrogations, the arrest of the 2 security guards, the failure to place the originals under surveilance those 10 days, etc.

[private eye]

CBB,

My only concern is making it short enough that people in the media will actually read it!  We could fill reams and volumes but I fear they will zone out if presented with too much.

Also the only other thing I can think of is that I think it is important to stay away from third-party statements and hearsay as much as possible as I don't believe reputable journalists and those we want to read it would find that credible.  Like the rules for taping conversation, at least one involved party for use as a source.

But basically that is my only concern, how to address the Short Attention Span factor.  Don't have a clue how to do that, either, but am thinking. 

How to squeeze 5,000 words into 300.

Don't guess "Joran did it; Paulus helped!" would work, either.   

That is what I see as the greatest challenge but with everyone working on it, I know we will figure it out.

.

And I agree even though my post got side tracked. We need to list only the most obvious instances with the highest degree of credibility. Probably 10 events?

[Tamikosmom]

*******:

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #732 2/15 -
« Reply #979 on: Today at 03:55:52 AM »

Verstuurd per e-mail:
karin.janssens@brabant-noord.politie.nl en per fax 073-6991896

We should email KJ and ask her why Judge Wit said she never asked to search more than Jorans Apt. I see this Dutch Poster has been sending her and others complaints about another matter in holland.

http://www.hetechtenieuws.org/2007-09-24-b-klacht-politie.htm

++++++++

Good Morning.

I brought the above over from the previous thread.  Thank you *******.

I am not planning on emailing Karin Janssen ... out of my comfort zone.  I would freak out if I received a response.

 

However ... I would appreciate if somebody could post or ... link me to the article on Bob Witt ... the article where he attempts to justify his actions on the day of the search.

I really do have to organize my desktop files ... it is getting harder and harder to locate my Natalee Holloway quotes/links/articles.  My daughter-in-law promised to do it as a Christmas present ... never happened.
 
Thank you.

Janet
8:10 AM

[private eye]

Why not get Beth to review the final product draft to give us her opinion on whether or not something is credible? Of course, she has no better sources than we do on many things, but she could clear up what she does know.

[klaasend]

We could send the media a PP presentation, short and to the point with "hotlinks" to SM forum pages that reference the detail if they choose to read.

[private eye]

Preview, Preview, Preview.....you know we are working on putting together an outline to send to the various media outlets. Red is going to use the same, or similar outline to do posts on the front page of SM.

San was working on a sample template tonight...check this out.  Don't pay attention to the words, this was just a test to play around with the design  

Should I be offended?     Actually, that's what I had in mind when I put together the "off the top of my head" list on the FP.  Get the main facts and players together in a format that's easy to follow. 

Quite the opposite, I think you should stand up and accept your applause. The highest compliment for someone to pay an idea is for everyone to jump up and start working on it, and you obviously had a "light bulb" thought. Good work

[Tamikosmom]

Even before Joran's confession, there was a lot of evidence of Paulus' involvement in Natalee's disappearance. Those pieces take on even more significance in light of it. Below is a sampling of the pieces that point toward Joran's Father being the "Daury" that Joran named. There is more; much more.



Mickey John
On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteran - June 29/05 JOHN:....... “He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

************************************************************************

Aruba, by Dave Holloway: pg. 118-119

"Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I (Dave) saw Deputy Police Comissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos and Charlie's. The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from these two. As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity. The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of women. I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions. He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder. That brought to mind one of Joran's statements. He referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos. Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat. The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea. Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.

Aruba by Dave Holloway (Pg.181)

In October, 2005 Aruban authorities approached Dave Holloway and informed him that Koen Gottenbos could possibly be the key to solving the case.  Nevertheless, Koen was never interrogated again in spite of the promises of Gerold Dompig.  The assistant prosecutor, Amalin Flanegin, quit because she believed that Koen lied when he was interrogated in the initial stages of the investigation, and Dompig refused bring him in again.  A meeting that took place between Koen's father and the investigators could possibly reveal an explanation.

******************************************************************


Superior Court - Diario - 02-14-2007
“Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.” (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/

Beth and Jug Twitty maintain that on the morning of May 31, 2005 Paulus Van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at McDonald's parking lot at 4:00 AM on May 30, 2005 - mere hours after Natalee Holloway had gone missing. Beth recorded this time in her journal. However, by June 16/17, 2005 Paulus had changed the pickup time to 11:00 PM on May 29, 2005.

The Aruban Attorney representing Natalee's family stated in a letter to the prosector that Jug asserts Claudio Eldrige is aware of the time that Paulus stated and she inquires as to whether or not Claudio has been interrogated.

***********************************************************************

Electronic record timeline for May 30
7:02 am: Paulus visits hotmail

7:34-7:37 pm: Paulus vists several stock-related sites

7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs". Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office. The sites are visited only briefly.

9:18 pm: VDS computer infected with virus

****************************************************************


PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT WAS ALLOWED TO CHANGE HIS SON'S STATEMENT TO POLICE

Paulus Van Der Sloot was allowed to be present when the Aruban police took Joran's first witness statement and was allowed to edit Joran's statement before it was entered into the public record. That statement is still missing.

Furthermore it was his close friend and Lead Investigator Jan van der Straten who was present for the statement and allowed Paulus Van Der Sloot to edit his son's statement.


***************************************************************************
And in this segment Deepak seems to indicate Paulus Van der Sloot is involved in the crime.

D to J: You don’t give a shit about your the members of your won family
J to D: The only thing that I can think of is my family I do what my family tells me to do
J to D: Right, +++++
D to J: Your own father, unbelievable
J to D: Wat my father,it is your [plural your] fault that he is arrested. I didn’t declare anything against my father, you [plural you] declared against my father

Great research cbb.

Thank you so much for all your hard work.

Janet

[LilPuma]

Lilpuma - your outline is great!  I was just saying that the SAMPLE was just that, a sample to show the design.  For media and others, things like JK2 maybe need to be spelled out.  It's clear to us but may not be clear to others.

FWIW - I posted your outline in the forum and have said this is the type of thing we need to send.  Simple outline to the point.

I wasn't offended.  I was reading the last thread last night and know you want to put something together with more detail and info, which I think is a great idea.  That was why I popped in this morning.  BTW, I did not send this to O'Reilly.  I threw in that comment because he was being discussed on the FP in response to Red's articles. 

[private eye]

Even before Joran's confession, there was a lot of evidence of Paulus' involvement in Natalee's disappearance. Those pieces take on even more significance in light of it. Below is a sampling of the pieces that point toward Joran's Father being the "Daury" that Joran named. There is more; much more.



Mickey John
On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteran - June 29/05 JOHN:....... “He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

************************************************************************

Aruba, by Dave Holloway: pg. 118-119

"Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I (Dave) saw Deputy Police Comissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos and Charlie's. The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from these two. As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity. The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of women. I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions. He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder. That brought to mind one of Joran's statements. He referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos. Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat. The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea. Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.

Aruba by Dave Holloway (Pg.181)

In October, 2005 Aruban authorities approached Dave Holloway and informed him that Koen Gottenbos could possibly be the key to solving the case.  Nevertheless, Koen was never interrogated again in spite of the promises of Gerold Dompig.  The assistant prosecutor, Amalin Flanegin, quit because she believed that Koen lied when he was interrogated in the initial stages of the investigation, and Dompig refused bring him in again.  A meeting that took place between Koen's father and the investigators could possibly reveal an explanation.

******************************************************************


Superior Court - Diario - 02-14-2007
“Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.” (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/

Beth and Jug Twitty maintain that on the morning of May 31, 2005 Paulus Van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at McDonald's parking lot at 4:00 AM on May 30, 2005 - mere hours after Natalee Holloway had gone missing. Beth recorded this time in her journal. However, by June 16/17, 2005 Paulus had changed the pickup time to 11:00 PM on May 29, 2005.

The Aruban Attorney representing Natalee's family stated in a letter to the prosector that Jug asserts Claudio Eldrige is aware of the time that Paulus stated and she inquires as to whether or not Claudio has been interrogated.

***********************************************************************

Electronic record timeline for May 30
7:02 am: Paulus visits hotmail

7:34-7:37 pm: Paulus vists several stock-related sites

7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs". Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office. The sites are visited only briefly.

9:18 pm: VDS computer infected with virus

****************************************************************


PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT WAS ALLOWED TO CHANGE HIS SON'S STATEMENT TO POLICE

Paulus Van Der Sloot was allowed to be present when the Aruban police took Joran's first witness statement and was allowed to edit Joran's statement before it was entered into the public record. That statement is still missing.

Furthermore it was his close friend and Lead Investigator Jan van der Straten who was present for the statement and allowed Paulus Van Der Sloot to edit his son's statement.


***************************************************************************
And in this segment Deepak seems to indicate Paulus Van der Sloot is involved in the crime.

D to J: You don’t give a shit about your the members of your won family
J to D: The only thing that I can think of is my family I do what my family tells me to do
J to D: Right, +++++
D to J: Your own father, unbelievable
J to D: Wat my father,it is your [plural your] fault that he is arrested. I didn’t declare anything against my father, you [plural you] declared against my father

And that, IMO, is some very heavy circumstantial evidence implicating PvdS. 

.

Thx, Anna. I posted that hoping to get opinions on whether the info cited is appropriate for what we'd like to accomplish with getting interesting facts to MSM. The nexus to a cover-up is through Paulus, and so I started there, to bolster that link. It seems to me that since Joran's Confession has had such an impact, and there is already speculation that Paulus is "Daury", that first we should help them along with that, then take that flow to answer why and how this case has stalled under a cover-up. Paulus is that link.

What I've included is pretty basic, but it is easily verified through common guests to shows that have covered the story, and contains the sources to direct who to contact, and it fits with Joran's confession. I'm working on a "cover-up" synopsis in a similar way, but would love some input and critique from you guys. I'm not sensitive or anything so don't worry about it if you feel it just misses the mark. I just want us to be effective in this endeavor!

It would have to start with the fact that the guilty were all together in sub groups granted, and remember Joran and Depaak didn't hang out all that much I think I heard, when Beth got there the same day with a false alibi already concocted, before they should have known anything major was wrong. A girl, a one night stand, missing an air flight, on an island where young teenage girls, according to the Arubans, decide to stay over one day extra all the time? Why in the world would they feel that a false alibi would be needed for such a common occurrence, especially with one being a trained attorney?