Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[Blue Moon]

Concerning the outline, how about breaking it down into different time frames--you know how the networks run a teaser?  Do the same thing back at them.  Feed enough information to them (like the first 24 hours, then the 1st ten days, then the remainder of the story).  This way if they are interested more information can be forthcoming to them. It has to be believable and the only way to do that is NOT leave out any facts which will require a lot of space and time to tell the story.

[crazybabyborg]

I agree with the points made in regard to "short attention spans" in media! I'm trying to figure out how statements made without the sources and some content will not be "put aside" as well. I'm not sure that anything that is just a statement would be accepted as credible. If we present something that requires verification and research, I'm not sure anyone will take the trouble, especially coming from basically a "fan mail" avenue. "take my word for it" is problematic as well.

Thanks for the comments, guys! 
We'll get it right with a dialogue, I'm sure!

[LilPuma]

Should I be offended?     Actually, that's what I had in mind when I put together the "off the top of my head" list on the FP.  Get the main facts and players together in a format that's easy to follow. 

Quite the opposite, I think you should stand up and accept your applause. The highest compliment for someone to pay an idea is for everyone to jump up and start working on it, and you obviously had a "light bulb" thought. Good work

Thank you.  I've seen so much info gathered and put together on this site.  So if anyone can pull together a "timeline" of the coverup, the Monkeys can. 

[Tylergal]

Tylergal,
 
I remember in the very beginning of all of this that it may have been your DH who contacted Dan Rhiel before we even knew the name of "the girl" who was missing.  I believe that is how Dan came to be aware of the situation so early when it was just a local news item.
 
We have been standing by the girl since then and I will continue to do so but it is for Beth that I hang in here now.  Natalee is beyond any Earthly needs now but I would do anything within my power to sustain and support Beth because I am a mother, too.
 
We have chased Grindle codes, run the Red Queen's race, chased after sex slavers and the Russian Mafia.  We have had our lives threatened, our computers' hacked, been sent more porn than Hugh Hefner, lambasted and banned, giving new meaning to the old cliché "been thrown out of better places than this"!
 
We have waded through chat rooms in foreign languages we could barely grasp, looked at more MySpace pages than the average college freshman, gone through real life weddings, funerals, births and deaths, sickness and health, but always managed to find time to make a post or two if only to be counted among those supporting. 
 
We've strained our eyes looking for pictures within pictures and hidden meanings and messages, been accused of being related to people in this investigation and having some hidden agenda.  As the shadows grow longer in the East for me, I am less inclined to explain myself and my skin grows ever thicker but one thing I do know for sure.  And I am sure I speak for many when I say this but I am very happy to have had you as a friend along for this wild journey on which we have all been for so long now.  I am always deeply flattered when people often confuse us despite the fact we live hundreds of miles apart.
 
I don't think we have learned much more for all those efforts than we knew almost immediately but we have uncovered every rock and nook and cranny that has been presented.  I am proud to have you as my friend as that friendship has been one of the bright spots in this sad and tragic episode.  And while I certainly stand with The Girl, it is for the mother that I remain after all this time.  My own children have traveled too close to this circle of events to turn away but even if they hadn't, I think any one with a heart could feel for Beth.
 
Anyone, that is, except for those conducting this bogus investigation and with the power to set things right.  And I do believe that is what will be their ultimate undoing.  No, we can't force them to do the right thing but the whole world is watching and wondering just what kind of people are these that would do this.  Liars lie, thieves steal so what do their actions say about them? 
 
Thank you, Tylergal, for being you and being my friend.  You have made this all bearable in so many ways and been a constant source of encouragement and comfort to us all.  And I am so glad you did not get blown away yesterday in the storms but that was much too close for comfort.
 
My rant for the day. . .

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Anna, I love your screeds. 

This is especially true.  It has been a long journey and sometimes I thought my mind could comprehend no more.  Had you not been along for the journey and especially late at night, I probably would have thrown in the towel.....sometimes, we just need a partner in crime or criminal research.

[Tylergal]

In all fairness to Caseu, we have heard reports of and seen photographs of some of the "elders" and "the cubs of the elders" wearing these masks when they drugged and raped or otherwise were molesting these young women.  That is the reason for 4 x 4 mentioning "scary." 

In fact, we had a report by one young woman who believed Natalee to be a girl who was being raped by an elder in a mask.  Not sure what the integrity of that report was, but we have seen photographs and heard of the reasons for the "mystic masks" aside from Carnival. 

Carnival, similar to our Mardi Gras, where masks are worn for "wardrobing necessity" but there might be others, as we have even seen in movies, who use the masks as disguise while they commit horrendous crimes.

Anyone see the movie Eyes Wide Shut?   Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman 1999.  Masks, secrecy for high rollers in a private club.  Lots of sex all over the place.  Keep kids at grandma's if you rent it.  Steve Isaacs sings in the soundtrack, "They did a bad bad thing......they did a bad bad thing"

Yes, I mentioned that here and also the book, Beach House. 

[Tylergal]

I agree with the points made in regard to "short attention spans" in media! I'm trying to figure out how statements made without the sources and some content will not be "put aside" as well. I'm not sure that anything that is just a statement would be accepted as credible. If we present something that requires verification and research, I'm not sure anyone will take the trouble, especially coming from basically a "fan mail" avenue. "take my word for it" is problematic as well.

Thanks for the comments, guys! 
We'll get it right with a dialogue, I'm sure!

I believe in the KISS theory for the media.  If there is anything we have learned from Greta is that she does not grasp minutia and she sticks to the latest thing she heard but if she had "bullet points," perhaps she could grasp that.

[LilPuma]

I've gotta run, but I do have the quote and link from Van der Straaten about knowing more than you do.  I don't think the link works anymore because it's from before they closed their website for remodeling.  But maybe it will help........ 


 
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005
 
Van der Straten doesn't believe Natalee is alive (Friday): While Chief prosecutor Karin Janssen stated this week that they don’t have any indication that Natalee Holloway is dead, during an interview this week Police Superintendent Jan van der Straten told the reporter that he doesn’t believe that Natalee is still alive.  Maybe this should only be interpreted as his personal opinion but the fact remains that he has inside information and knows how the investigation is going. So he is basing his opinion on the facts. With regard to Natalee’s  status, van der Straaten gave the following statement to a Dutch reporter:

Rep: Hebt u nog hoop op een goede afloop?
Jan: Hoop moet je altijd hebben, maar ik geloof niet meer dat we Natalee levend zullen terugvinden.
Rep: Waarom niet?
Jan: Omdat ik het onderzoek ken en u niet.

HBK-Translation:

Rep: Any hopes for  a positive outcome?
Jan: You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive.
Rep: Why not?
Jan: Because I know the details of the investigation and you don't !

The story was published by  a couple of newspapers in The Netherlands yesterday and today. You can view one of the Dutch reports here in Haagsche Courant (local newspaper of The Hague)

*******************************
UPDATE 34 : This is Steve Croes as he was leaving court on Sunday. Croes will be released on Monday. Tomorrow he will be e free man and this would be enough for anyone to be very happy and our guess is that this is why he is laughing in the picture. The policeman seems to be happy too and this is maybe because now there are no Aruban suspects in custody so no one will be able to blame Arubans personally for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Dutchman Paul van der Sloot will also be released while his son, Joran van der Sloot, and the Surninamese brothers Kalpoe (Satish and Deepak) will remain in custody.
 
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Article in De Telegraaf (Sunday) In a recent full-page article in De Telegraaf (biggest newspaper in The Netherlands), they dedicated attention to the Natelee Holloway’s disappearance and the suspected involvement of the Dutch judge-in-training Paul van der Sloot and his son Joran. The article covered mostly all the events since the disappearance of Natalee but there were also a few statements that were not (broadly/publicly) reported before.

What happened to Natalee?
According to the article, the detectives believe strongly that Natalee was taken to the light house located at the Northern part of Aruba by the 3 young suspects.  Once they were there it is believed that these suspects tried to engage in sexual activity with the Natalee, but she most likely refused and tried to fight them off. She was consequently murdered (during the struggle) and her body was then dumped somewhere on the island or in the sea.

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[klaasend]

I was just browsing through the RTL.NL site and found a set of 20 photos in the case.  Some from early in the case I hadn't seen.  Also this photo of the pay phone Joran alegedly used:



RTL.NL photo set

http://tinyurl.com/yqbctc

[Nut44x4]

In all fairness to Caseu, we have heard reports of and seen photographs of some of the "elders" and "the cubs of the elders" wearing these masks when they drugged and raped or otherwise were molesting these young women.  That is the reason for 4 x 4 mentioning "scary." 

In fact, we had a report by one young woman who believed Natalee to be a girl who was being raped by an elder in a mask.  Not sure what the integrity of that report was, but we have seen photographs and heard of the reasons for the "mystic masks" aside from Carnival. 

Carnival, similar to our Mardi Gras, where masks are worn for "wardrobing necessity" but there might be others, as we have even seen in movies, who use the masks as disguise while they commit horrendous crimes.

Anyone see the movie Eyes Wide Shut?   Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman 1999.  Masks, secrecy for high rollers in a private club.  Lots of sex all over the place.  Keep kids at grandma's if you rent it.  Steve Isaacs sings in the soundtrack, "They did a bad bad thing......they did a bad bad thing"

Interesting that you should mention that. Way back in July of 2007 when I happened to be scouting out our site meter, I came across this person on our site>>
Domain Name   chello.nl ? (Netherlands)
IP Address   212.83.83.# (Chello Heerenveen)
ISP   Chello
Location   Continent  :  Europe
Country  :  Netherlands  (Facts)
State/Region  :  Friesland
City  :  Drachten
Lat/Long  :  53.1, 6.1 (Map)
 
Language   Dutch
nl
Operating System   Microsoft WinXP
Browser   Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; Media Center PC 4.0)
Javascript   version 1.3
Monitor   Resolution  :  1280 x 800
Color Depth  :  32 bits 
 
Time of Visit   Jul 6 2007 6:00:12 am
Last Page View   Jul 6 2007 6:25:01 am
Visit Length   24 minutes 49 seconds
Page Views   5
Referring URL  http://www.google.nl...onkey holloway&meta=
Search Engine  google.nl
Search Words  monkey holloway
Visit Entry Page   http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/
Visit Exit Page   http://www.scaredmon...storder=asc&start=20
Out Click   http://www.konformist.com/flicks/eyeswideshut.htm
http://www.konformis...cks/eyeswideshut.htm
Time Zone   UTC+1:00
Visitor's Time   Jul 6 2007 12:00:12 pm
Visit Number   9,326,212
~~~~~~~~~
So then I clicked the link http://www.konformist.com/flicks/eyeswideshut.htm to see where they went from here. I have not see the movie, but I sure did find it interesting what was written at this site.
Then, many different times after this I also saw the same person scouring SM and then out clicking to this same link.
Just thought I cwould convey what I remembered and had saved regarding that from way back then.

[BUCKSHOT]

I would still love to arrange for an independant investigative body (use the US and Holland) to view, not touch the evidence from this case. It will show whether it exists, matched against what evidence is known to have been collected.

Why is the media so afraid to discuss Aruba's corruption. The story will run itself without much opinion/speculation interjected by the commentator.

Paulus may not want to go on camera for interview with American media. Would VanderStraaten accept an invitation by Greta or BO'R? He is supposed to be neutral as he is a sworn officer of the court. Or Jacobs? Or a filmed one-on-one between the aforementioned and the Holloway/Twitty family? Why would they possible refuse the invitation if everything was on "the up and up" and the investigation just fell short, in terms of physical evidence, in creating a prosecutable case against JVDS??

[Tamikosmom]

I've gotta run, but I do have the quote and link from Van der Straaten about knowing more than you do.  I don't think the link works anymore because it's from before they closed their website for remodeling.  But maybe it will help........ 


 
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005
 
Van der Straten doesn't believe Natalee is alive (Friday): While Chief prosecutor Karin Janssen stated this week that they don’t have any indication that Natalee Holloway is dead, during an interview this week Police Superintendent Jan van der Straten told the reporter that he doesn’t believe that Natalee is still alive.  Maybe this should only be interpreted as his personal opinion but the fact remains that he has inside information and knows how the investigation is going. So he is basing his opinion on the facts. With regard to Natalee’s  status, van der Straaten gave the following statement to a Dutch reporter:

Rep: Hebt u nog hoop op een goede afloop?
Jan: Hoop moet je altijd hebben, maar ik geloof niet meer dat we Natalee levend zullen terugvinden.
Rep: Waarom niet?
Jan: Omdat ik het onderzoek ken en u niet.

HBK-Translation:

Rep: Any hopes for  a positive outcome?
Jan: You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive.
Rep: Why not?
Jan: Because I know the details of the investigation and you don't !

The story was published by  a couple of newspapers in The Netherlands yesterday and today. You can view one of the Dutch reports here in Haagsche Courant (local newspaper of The Hague)

*******************************
UPDATE 34 : This is Steve Croes as he was leaving court on Sunday. Croes will be released on Monday. Tomorrow he will be e free man and this would be enough for anyone to be very happy and our guess is that this is why he is laughing in the picture. The policeman seems to be happy too and this is maybe because now there are no Aruban suspects in custody so no one will be able to blame Arubans personally for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Dutchman Paul van der Sloot will also be released while his son, Joran van der Sloot, and the Surninamese brothers Kalpoe (Satish and Deepak) will remain in custody.
 
*******************************
Article in De Telegraaf (Sunday) In a recent full-page article in De Telegraaf (biggest newspaper in The Netherlands), they dedicated attention to the Natelee Holloway’s disappearance and the suspected involvement of the Dutch judge-in-training Paul van der Sloot and his son Joran. The article covered mostly all the events since the disappearance of Natalee but there were also a few statements that were not (broadly/publicly) reported before.

What happened to Natalee?
According to the article, the detectives believe strongly that Natalee was taken to the light house located at the Northern part of Aruba by the 3 young suspects.  Once they were there it is believed that these suspects tried to engage in sexual activity with the Natalee, but she most likely refused and tried to fight them off. She was consequently murdered (during the struggle) and her body was then dumped somewhere on the island or in the sea.

********************************

Thank you LilPuma

Until your post ... I never knew the source of Jan van der Straten's words.

Janet

[Pita]

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #732 2/15 -
« Reply #979 on: Today at 03:55:52 AM »

Verstuurd per e-mail:
karin.janssens@brabant-noord.politie.nl en per fax 073-6991896

We should email KJ and ask her why Judge Wit said she never asked to search more than Jorans Apt. I see this Dutch Poster has been sending her and others complaints about another matter in holland.

http://www.hetechtenieuws.org/2007-09-24-b-klacht-politie.htm

++++++++

Good Morning.

I brought the above over from the previous thread.  Thank you *******.

I am not planning on emailing Karin Janssen ... out of my comfort zone.  I would freak out if I received a response.

 

However ... I would appreciate if somebody could post or ... link me to the article on Bob Witt ... the article where he attempts to justify his actions on the day of the search.

I really do have to organize my desktop files ... it is getting harder and harder to locate my Natalee Holloway quotes/links/articles.  My daughter-in-law promised to do it as a Christmas present ... never happened.
 
Thank you.

Janet
8:10 AM

Translation - posted by Lazlo at RU
Bob Wit defends himself in Bon Dia.

(For sure translation faults, but on or about what it says is the following)

Ex Head Commissar Bob Wit defends his actions in the Holloway case.

-Willemstad- "I have acted correct procedure wise in the case of Natalee Holloway, The ex Head Commissaris in the affair, Bob Wit tells about the procedures that took place fast in the first days of the investigation. During one week, Mr Wit who's avenue is affiliated with the Court of Justice of the Caribbean, has functioned as a Head Commissar in the case here.

On Aruba the Chief of investigation in the time when Gerald Dompig was the Head Commissar, did not approve of the search of the house of the parents of Van Der Sloot as part of the investigation and had obstructed the investigation (?). The investigation of the Dutch crime investigator Peter R. de Vries, has came to the same conclusion. It was remarkable in the case that after the Dutch group of investigators had joined the case they were allowed to search the territory of the family. The impression was given also because it was the deal of a functionnaire who was learning to become Head, felt he had to protect the privacy of the family. Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot after having become a suspect in the case. ....... (no idea)

Mr Wit, had to decide in an instant about the search of where Joran's father lived, and made the decision to allow the search of the apartment of Joran van der Sloot and also in the two cars of the family.

At no moment they had (asked?) to search more then that. A Head Commisar cannot do otherwise, because the petition has to be substantial. Another word is by having allowed to search at other places that were not covered by the petition of the OM all evidence eventually obtained would be illegal. This is very significant since dealing with the case ourselves we had to work in a correct manner, Mr Wit says.

The ex Head Commissar also says by having dealt with the case himself the suspicions against Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers is strong.

I had concluded from the dossier there had been various contradictions in their declarations. But that is not enough to succeed in a conviction. In a case where no the remains are found in order to treat it as a crime you have to have additional material such as a witness who has seen it happen or traces of blood that for example can be tested for DNA, so the Magistrate tells.

For one thing is, the case itself, Mr Wit says that even after time has passed one can still prosecute the suspects. I have seen often in my work the instant good new information comes up that can throw a new light on a case that was unsolved, so Mr Witt is commenting. The Ministry Public in Aruba has announced this the week that the case here ....of a "crime" is 7 years for murder and 10 years for premeditated murder.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2587.840

[Peaches]

It seems to me that the Kalpoe brother's were not present when Natalie died.  I think that explains why none of the three ratted the other out.  I think that the Kalpoe's were involved in some type of incriminating behavior (i.e. date rape drug) but that they didn't know what happened to Natalee.  Any thoughts?

Just waking up here but I agree about the K2's.  I think the only reason they agreed to go along with the lie was because they knew Natalee was given a drug and Joran threatened them.  I believe also that they JK2 have drugged girls together before Natalee.

I find it hard to believe the K2 could score without some kinda help.....

[Bearlyhere]

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #732 2/15 -
« Reply #938 on: February 17, 2008, 08:39:11 PM »
   
Ok.I'm from NL and got a lot of info on a dutch board by the honorable:' *******'
I will introduce myself:I'm in my 30's happy life, just a normal guy as I can speak for myself,  I'm having ,although a lot of stress, having for my history a great life and I'm now congratulated with a sabatical for ??? monts, New York is fast but selling a company in 3 monts is a headache too.So I have some time off. After watching the feb 3 2008 SBS Peter R de Vries report I was just stumbled upon the fact that they didn't get Joran or any body else. It was enough for me to get in touch with people at fok, fox and so on, I normally never write something on boards but this was just it.. I guess..
So now here I am, I won't give any opinions about a thing in this case I guess, but I' open for everything about translating and proven facts to get this case solved...

Ok now some news, maybe old maybe new..I watched on youtube again Peter's first show and I was very surprised: a slip of the tongue whitch got Paulus in trouble...and his lawyer MR Carlo as the tipper of the case, he wants to talk about Joran his talkings with Mrs. karen Janssen..he talks with her..and she puts the meeting in writing and then he denies he ever said something...
I watched all 3 of his Nathalee case no 1, and stil didn't get it, but in a interrogation with  Jacobs and Joran all of a sudden Joran is not playing his role as a normal suspect, and is not allowed to talk in arubian Papiamento but in dutch because mrs croes-fernandez  is listening too and some dutch klpd  he is shouting and screaming all at once, and this is a transcript from youtube translated...

Joran is screaming 'You don't know a thing.I know what you guys are thinking.You think I had sex with Natalee, and then I called my dad, that my dad came over and we both got rid of the body'


whoops 1...

Thank you for this translation.  This is indeed significant.  I hope we have not lost you as a contributor.

BEARLY HERE  Melody when asked if Joran liked rough sex, replied, "Once in a blue moon."  The OP asked if there were 2 full moons in May which would explain his behavior.  No response but he went back and looked at the almanac and there was no "blue moon" in May 2005.

Thanks Tyler, now I know why I remembered it the way I did.

[Tamikosmom]

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #732 2/15 -
« Reply #979 on: Today at 03:55:52 AM »

Verstuurd per e-mail:
karin.janssens@brabant-noord.politie.nl en per fax 073-6991896

We should email KJ and ask her why Judge Wit said she never asked to search more than Jorans Apt. I see this Dutch Poster has been sending her and others complaints about another matter in holland.

http://www.hetechtenieuws.org/2007-09-24-b-klacht-politie.htm

++++++++

Good Morning.

I brought the above over from the previous thread.  Thank you *******.

I am not planning on emailing Karin Janssen ... out of my comfort zone.  I would freak out if I received a response.

 

However ... I would appreciate if somebody could post or ... link me to the article on Bob Witt ... the article where he attempts to justify his actions on the day of the search.

I really do have to organize my desktop files ... it is getting harder and harder to locate my Natalee Holloway quotes/links/articles.  My daughter-in-law promised to do it as a Christmas present ... never happened.
 
Thank you.

Janet
8:10 AM

Translation - posted by Lazlo at RU
Bob Wit defends himself in Bon Dia.

(For sure translation faults, but on or about what it says is the following)

Ex Head Commissar Bob Wit defends his actions in the Holloway case.

-Willemstad- "I have acted correct procedure wise in the case of Natalee Holloway, The ex Head Commissaris in the affair, Bob Wit tells about the procedures that took place fast in the first days of the investigation. During one week, Mr Wit who's avenue is affiliated with the Court of Justice of the Caribbean, has functioned as a Head Commissar in the case here.

On Aruba the Chief of investigation in the time when Gerald Dompig was the Head Commissar, did not approve of the search of the house of the parents of Van Der Sloot as part of the investigation and had obstructed the investigation (?). The investigation of the Dutch crime investigator Peter R. de Vries, has came to the same conclusion. It was remarkable in the case that after the Dutch group of investigators had joined the case they were allowed to search the territory of the family. The impression was given also because it was the deal of a functionnaire who was learning to become Head, felt he had to protect the privacy of the family. Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot after having become a suspect in the case. ....... (no idea)

Mr Wit, had to decide in an instant about the search of where Joran's father lived, and made the decision to allow the search of the apartment of Joran van der Sloot and also in the two cars of the family.

At no moment they had (asked?) to search more then that. A Head Commisar cannot do otherwise, because the petition has to be substantial. Another word is by having allowed to search at other places that were not covered by the petition of the OM all evidence eventually obtained would be illegal. This is very significant since dealing with the case ourselves we had to work in a correct manner, Mr Wit says.

The ex Head Commissar also says by having dealt with the case himself the suspicions against Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers is strong.

I had concluded from the dossier there had been various contradictions in their declarations. But that is not enough to succeed in a conviction. In a case where no the remains are found in order to treat it as a crime you have to have additional material such as a witness who has seen it happen or traces of blood that for example can be tested for DNA, so the Magistrate tells.

For one thing is, the case itself, Mr Wit says that even after time has passed one can still prosecute the suspects. I have seen often in my work the instant good new information comes up that can throw a new light on a case that was unsolved, so Mr Witt is commenting. The Ministry Public in Aruba has announced this the week that the case here ....of a "crime" is 7 years for murder and 10 years for premeditated murder.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2587.840

Thank you Pita.

Janet

[Tylergal]

It seems to me that the Kalpoe brother's were not present when Natalie died.  I think that explains why none of the three ratted the other out.  I think that the Kalpoe's were involved in some type of incriminating behavior (i.e. date rape drug) but that they didn't know what happened to Natalee.  Any thoughts?

Just waking up here but I agree about the K2's.  I think the only reason they agreed to go along with the lie was because they knew Natalee was given a drug and Joran threatened them.  I believe also that they JK2 have drugged girls together before Natalee.

I find it hard to believe the K2 could score without some kinda help.....

Well, you never know.  Desperate times call for desperate women. 

[klaasend]

It seems to me that the Kalpoe brother's were not present when Natalie died.  I think that explains why none of the three ratted the other out.  I think that the Kalpoe's were involved in some type of incriminating behavior (i.e. date rape drug) but that they didn't know what happened to Natalee.  Any thoughts?

Just waking up here but I agree about the K2's.  I think the only reason they agreed to go along with the lie was because they knew Natalee was given a drug and Joran threatened them.  I believe also that they JK2 have drugged girls together before Natalee.

I find it hard to believe the K2 could score without some kinda help.....

Well, you never know.  Desperate times call for desperate women. 

The most recent photos of Deepak and Satish after they were released as suspects got alot of attention from some of the members of RU.  A few of the RU posters were actually "swooning" over Deepak.  No accounting for taste I guess 

[Tylergal]

It seems to me that the Kalpoe brother's were not present when Natalie died.  I think that explains why none of the three ratted the other out.  I think that the Kalpoe's were involved in some type of incriminating behavior (i.e. date rape drug) but that they didn't know what happened to Natalee.  Any thoughts?

Just waking up here but I agree about the K2's.  I think the only reason they agreed to go along with the lie was because they knew Natalee was given a drug and Joran threatened them.  I believe also that they JK2 have drugged girls together before Natalee.

I find it hard to believe the K2 could score without some kinda help.....

Well, you never know.  Desperate times call for desperate women. 

The most recent photos of Deepak and Satish after they were released as suspects got alot of attention from some of the members of RU.  A few of the RU posters were actually "swooning" over Deepak.  No accounting for taste I guess 

You forget to mention, they read in braille.

[Anna]

It seems to me that the Kalpoe brother's were not present when Natalie died.  I think that explains why none of the three ratted the other out.  I think that the Kalpoe's were involved in some type of incriminating behavior (i.e. date rape drug) but that they didn't know what happened to Natalee.  Any thoughts?

Just waking up here but I agree about the K2's.  I think the only reason they agreed to go along with the lie was because they knew Natalee was given a drug and Joran threatened them.  I believe also that they JK2 have drugged girls together before Natalee.

I find it hard to believe the K2 could score without some kinda help.....

Well, you never know.  Desperate times call for desperate women. 

The most recent photos of Deepak and Satish after they were released as suspects got alot of attention from some of the members of RU.  A few of the RU posters were actually "swooning" over Deepak.  No accounting for taste I guess 

You forget to mention, they read in braille.

While wearing gloves!   

[ala_gunslinger]

It seems to me that the Kalpoe brother's were not present when Natalie died.  I think that explains why none of the three ratted the other out.  I think that the Kalpoe's were involved in some type of incriminating behavior (i.e. date rape drug) but that they didn't know what happened to Natalee.  Any thoughts?

Just waking up here but I agree about the K2's.  I think the only reason they agreed to go along with the lie was because they knew Natalee was given a drug and Joran threatened them.  I believe also that they JK2 have drugged girls together before Natalee.

I find it hard to believe the K2 could score without some kinda help.....

Well, you never know.  Desperate times call for desperate women. 

The most recent photos of Deepak and Satish after they were released as suspects got alot of attention from some of the members of RU.  A few of the RU posters were actually "swooning" over Deepak.  No accounting for taste I guess 

You forget to mention, they read in braille.

Good morning all ya'll!

They know how to READ!!!!!