Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[dennisintn]

This may have already been posted, if so please delete mine.

POSTED BY MF @ RU:


MF Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:25 pm   
Hans Mos reacts.

Prosecutor Mos debunks article in "de Telegraaf"

"The news that we are looking to detain Patrick van der Eem is a big lie"

He confirmed that he wants to talk to him and nothing more.

He said that what the reporter in the Telegraaf and from there spread in other newsmedia around the world in not true. He was never interviewed by the Telegraaf, so it is impossible for them to quote him saying that they are looking for Patrick to be detained.

He tried to contact him in Holland, but with no success, now that Patrick is in Aruba, and he knows where he is, he left a message for him to contact the OM, but that has not happened yet.

He once again said that the OM has no power to arrest anyone and that a petition must be granted by a judge for that. So, it is not true that if he does not come to the OM, he will arrest him. Patrick has his phone number and how to contact him and he hopes that Patrick will talk to him.

Last edited by MF on Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:47 pm; edited 1 time in total 

i sincerely hope mos backtracks this big lie and lays it publicly on the doorstep of the person who started it.  you don't think it could have possibly been a female faux journalist from aruba, do you?
dennisintn

[AZSunny]

This may have already been posted, if so please delete mine.

POSTED BY MF @ RU:


MF Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:25 pm   
Hans Mos reacts.

Prosecutor Mos debunks article in "de Telegraaf"

"The news that we are looking to detain Patrick van der Eem is a big lie"

He confirmed that he wants to talk to him and nothing more.

He said that what the reporter in the Telegraaf and from there spread in other newsmedia around the world in not true. He was never interviewed by the Telegraaf, so it is impossible for them to quote him saying that they are looking for Patrick to be detained.

He tried to contact him in Holland, but with no success, now that Patrick is in Aruba, and he knows where he is, he left a message for him to contact the OM, but that has not happened yet.

He once again said that the OM has no power to arrest anyone and that a petition must be granted by a judge for that. So, it is not true that if he does not come to the OM, he will arrest him. Patrick has his phone number and how to contact him and he hopes that Patrick will talk to him.

Last edited by MF on Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:47 pm; edited 1 time in total 

i sincerely hope mos backtracks this big lie and lays it publicly on the doorstep of the person who started it.  you don't think it could have possibly been a female faux journalist from aruba, do you?
dennisintn

He should never have given her the letter! LOL 

[Destiny]

eddie briesen, aruba's minister of tourism, announced to reporters at a carib. tourism conference that aruba's handling of the natalee holloway case has created a model to be used by all caribbean nations if they face a tourist death or disappearance.  he said all that with a straight face.  i can just imagine the faces of the journalists as they wrote it all down.
dennisintn

And this was coming from a man who personally arranged and probably payed for two psychic frauds to lie about a murdered girl and her Family. Unbeleavable!

PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN

Kermit...but not as nice...'tis truly a shocking place, now that we see/know how they operate...how they graze the tourists for gain, and self-satisfaction. This has been going on for a long time...the Good Local People of the Islands...they know what is going on...but alas, they are at the bottom of the food chain. They fear the *powers that be*.  I would too....I know if I went to Aruba...I would be searching for answers...clue...I *would* be found having committing *suicide* with one hand in my pocket.  I HATE THIS PLACE!

The Good Local People of the Islands must have the desire to want to help themselves before change will occur!

Gunslinger...I Like You!!!

Yep...they should be aware enough to blow this shit out of the water...but, this is so far above their realm of comprehension...the local waiters, small store owners....the women who clean hotel rooms...they just can't comprehend how high this shit is going on, that touches their daily lives.  And, if they do know what is going on...they are scared shitless.

[Observer]

BOINGGGGG!

Here we go again.... the rollercoaster is going up again, huh?

BI G STORY =JOHN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHqVRa_acxA

Geraldo speaks out and gives us the latest!

Geraldo said tonight that PVDS won a settlement from the courts for 30,000 which we all know is wrong. I sent him the Diario articles that say wiretaps,witnesses and PVDS himself said he picked up natalee and Joran at 4AM and had two contacts with Natalee.

For the love of God I wish these people would get the facts straight!

[dennisintn]

eddie briesen, aruba's minister of tourism, announced to reporters at a carib. tourism conference that aruba's handling of the natalee holloway case has created a model to be used by all caribbean nations if they face a tourist death or disappearance.  he said all that with a straight face.  i can just imagine the faces of the journalists as they wrote it all down.
dennisintn

And this was coming from a man who personally arranged and probably payed for two psychic frauds to lie about a murdered girl and her Family. Unbeleavable!

PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN

Kermit...but not as nice...'tis truly a shocking place, now that we see/know how they operate...how they graze the tourists for gain, and self-satisfaction. This has been going on for a long time...the Good Local People of the Islands...they know what is going on...but alas, they are at the bottom of the food chain. They fear the *powers that be*.  I would too....I know if I went to Aruba...I would be searching for answers...clue...I *would* be found having committing *suicide* with one hand in my pocket.  I HATE THIS PLACE!

The Good Local People of the Islands must have the desire to want to help themselves before change will occur!

Gunslinger...I Like You!!!

Yep...they should be aware enough to blow this shit out of the water...but, this is so far above their realm of comprehension...the local waiters, small store owners....the women who clean hotel rooms...they just can't comprehend how high this shit is going on, that touches their daily lives.  And, if they do know what is going on...they are scared shitless.

except for diario, the good, everyday working aruban is spoonfed what the govt. gives local media to feed them.  their word of mouth information, again, is whatever people like renfro and munzenhofer, and ata want them to hear. 
dennisintn

[Buckeye]

And as a lawyer, Geraldo should get the essence of the civil suit correct.  I believe Beth is suing for shock value, not wrongful death.

[AZSunny]

BOINGGGGG!

Here we go again.... the rollercoaster is going up again, huh?

BI G STORY =JOHN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHqVRa_acxA

Geraldo speaks out and gives us the latest!

Geraldo said tonight that PVDS won a settlement from the courts for 30,000 which we all know is wrong. I sent him the Diario articles that say wiretaps,witnesses and PVDS himself said he picked up natalee and Joran at 4AM and had two contacts with Natalee.

For the love of God I wish these people would get the facts straight!

I agree, but in the mistake he made about the 30K PVDS received, would really only put the Arbuan courts in a worst lite, and to me that is a good thing!

[klaasend]

DANA PRETZER SHOW - COMING UP IN 15 MINUTES - CLICK HERE TO LISTEN

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

[AZSunny]

And as a lawyer, Geraldo should get the essence of the civil suit correct.  I believe Beth is suing for shock value, not wrongful death.

Was this confirmed that she is suing? I hadn't read about Beth confirming that, only read that someone said she had met with this guy?

[Buckeye]

eddie briesen, aruba's minister of tourism, announced to reporters at a carib. tourism conference that aruba's handling of the natalee holloway case has created a model to be used by all caribbean nations if they face a tourist death or disappearance.  he said all that with a straight face.  i can just imagine the faces of the journalists as they wrote it all down.
dennisintn

And this was coming from a man who personally arranged and probably payed for two psychic frauds to lie about a murdered girl and her Family. Unbeleavable!

PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN

Kermit...but not as nice...'tis truly a shocking place, now that we see/know how they operate...how they graze the tourists for gain, and self-satisfaction. This has been going on for a long time...the Good Local People of the Islands...they know what is going on...but alas, they are at the bottom of the food chain. They fear the *powers that be*.  I would too....I know if I went to Aruba...I would be searching for answers...clue...I *would* be found having committing *suicide* with one hand in my pocket.  I HATE THIS PLACE!

The Good Local People of the Islands must have the desire to want to help themselves before change will occur!

Gunslinger...I Like You!!!

Yep...they should be aware enough to blow this shit out of the water...but, this is so far above their realm of comprehension...the local waiters, small store owners....the women who clean hotel rooms...they just can't comprehend how high this shit is going on, that touches their daily lives.  And, if they do know what is going on...they are scared shitless.

except for diario, the good, everyday working aruban is spoonfed what the govt. gives local media to feed them.  their word of mouth information, again, is whatever people like renfro and munzenhofer, and ata want them to hear. 
dennisintn

I agree somewhat.  I also believe there is television coverage in hotels and restaurants and internet access.  I'm not so sure they are that uninformed. I believe some choose to ignore information.  I accept this from the ones working on a visa, but not the residents.  With that many American companies and that many American tourists, they've heard both sides.  Their definition of pride is skewed.

[Kat_Gram]

Wendy Murphy, former District Attorney, Law Professior and author of the book And Justice For Some: An Expose of the Lawyers and Judges Who let Dangerous Criminals Go Free discussing the Bobby Cutts Trial and other high profile cases.
Robin Sax, author, speaker, media analyst and Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney discussing the ruling preventing the re-arrest of Joran Van Der Sloot as well as other high profile cases.
Defense Attorney Mark Geragos discussing the ruling that prevented the re-arrest of Joran Van Der Sloot, and other cases currently in the news.
Psychologist, author and lecturer Dr. Bev Smallwood, Ph.D discusses the “Valentines Day Massacre” at Northern Illinois University.
The women on Dana's show are good guests.
..
Wendy Murphy is a I'll kick your azz twice kind of lady. I want to hear what she says about Bobby who is going to jail for life with no Facebook ( I hope it is not a constitutional right for prisoners on death row to have Facebook ! ) or girlfriends, except the gf's named Bubba.  LOL

[Buckeye]

And as a lawyer, Geraldo should get the essence of the civil suit correct.  I believe Beth is suing for shock value, not wrongful death.

Was this confirmed that she is suing? I hadn't read about Beth confirming that, only read that someone said she had met with this guy?

I believe you're correct.

[Observer]

i sincerely hope mos backtracks this big lie and lays it publicly on the doorstep of the person who started it.  you don't think it could have possibly been a female faux journalist from aruba, do you?
dennisintn

You mean this same reporter that he met with and gave her that nice letter?

[Buckeye]

Destiny

Although I enjoyed hearing the phone info, I always thought it odd that a guard would share info with a total stranger.  Calls to and from a jail should be monitored, IMO.  Gosh, Joran probably didn't even need "the sneaky" phone.  He was probably too lazy to walk to the office to take a call. 

[Observer]

BOINGGGGG!

Here we go again.... the rollercoaster is going up again, huh?

BI G STORY =JOHN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHqVRa_acxA

Geraldo speaks out and gives us the latest!

Geraldo said tonight that PVDS won a settlement from the courts for 30,000 which we all know is wrong. I sent him the Diario articles that say wiretaps,witnesses and PVDS himself said he picked up natalee and Joran at 4AM and had two contacts with Natalee.

For the love of God I wish these people would get the facts straight!

I agree, but in the mistake he made about the 30K PVDS received, would really only put the Arbuan courts in a worst lite, and to me that is a good thing!

Your right..But hopefully he can release the goods on his next show about Paul Van Der Sloot. I think it is Vital that the MSM picks up on this. So far it's been a year and they haven't said jack about it. WTF was Paul Van Der Sloot doing with Natalee at 4AM on May 30th 2005? Since he just got back that day that means he met her twice before she was never seen again. You would think that would be a important clue in this mystery. 

[klaasend]

And as a lawyer, Geraldo should get the essence of the civil suit correct.  I believe Beth is suing for shock value, not wrongful death.

Was this confirmed that she is suing? I hadn't read about Beth confirming that, only read that someone said she had met with this guy?

I believe you're correct.

I don't think it's confirmed at all that she is suing.  I believe the attorney in the NL approached Beth about it but not sure if Beth has said yes or no.

[Destiny]

Destiny

Although I enjoyed hearing the phone info, I always thought it odd that a guard would share info with a total stranger.  Calls to and from a jail should be monitored, IMO.  Gosh, Joran probably didn't even need "the sneaky" phone.  He was probably too lazy to walk to the office to take a call. 

I agree...it did take a bit of time to gain his confidence...some do want to feel like they are *important* too. I made him feel important, that his opinion was valid...he opened up enough to give me some vital information...but, when I asked him about why the island was being so *rigid* in their beliefs regarding Joran/Paulus...all I got from him was the pat response, that it was because of the media and family of Natalee.

[klaasend]

DANA PRETZER SHOW - COMING UP IN 15 MINUTES - CLICK HERE TO LISTEN

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

WENDY MURPHY - talking about the case right now!

[AZSunny]

[/quote]
I agree, but in the mistake he made about the 30K PVDS received, would really only put the Arbuan courts in a worst lite, and to me that is a good thing!
[/quote]
Your right..But hopefully he can release the goods on his next show about Paul Van Der Sloot. I think it is Vital that the MSM picks up on this. So far it's been a year and they haven't said jack about it. WTF was Paul Van Der Sloot doing with Natalee at 4AM on May 30th 2005? Since he just got back that day that means he met her twice before she was never seen again. You would think that would be a important clue in this mystery. 
[/quote] I think they are starting to understand the involvement of PVDS, but I agree, it seems like they are just getting the big picture of what is going on down there.  I hope to God that is what is happening. 

[Observer]

I like Wendy Murphy