Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[Rob]

Hi Hotping, as with all virus protection programs, you should have that set to download all new virus definitions automatically. If you open something, your program should ID it and prevent you from opening it without a double or triple check. If there is no known ID, then the virus protection program is flying blind and will not recognize it.

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[Frank]

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[letsgetthiscasesolved]

*******, what is the significance of those pics? I can't follow the text description.

Just showing very good pics of the Marriott area that I believe is relevent to this case. It was brought up a lot early in the very beginning. As Buckeye said you can launch a boat right from the beach. No dock required.

Well..I going to bed soon but from today and this case I' ve learned a lot...aruba is corrupt, but then for about ... years, all the islands live and got a living on Colombia...the dutch have some interest in them since it attracts big firms who can have a post-box at Curacao and pay no or less tax..big firms by the way, so let's just talk about it and whatever.
The dutch 'Polder' model..

Today they found out we had a PM who symphatised with Hitler and didn't expose a big bribary from a so caled' prince' which would let us in a replublick....sorry sorry I'm dutch but I can't stand such a behaviour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice to have you here letsgetthiscasesolved. Maybe you can tell us more about R&S next time? Sleep well

R en S is still on the radar...Jelle etc.but I got some news about dutchies leaving NL too about tax and jail...some can't go back to NL because they will be arrested at Schiphol.
Anyways, you were 100% right about the so called sex activities:there are many hotels rented by certain people who hire entertainment girls for a holliday for the abroad customer for a week or..this was already in a show at the BBC

[Buckeye]

That statement did not make Shizaru's new site.

Found this at BFN with page numbers:

P111

Tuesday May 31st 2005

Joran rides bus to school, takes exam, visits with principal Werner and sleeps in sick bay.

Paul calls school at 10:30am. Jan v/d Straten wants Joran to give a voluntary witness statement, since the family was creating quite some noise.

Paul meets with principal, then he and Joran head to Bubali Station.

Joran calls Deepak who says, "stick to our story, the police has also phoned Satish and me and asked us to come."

P112

Paul asks to sit in on statement, shocking Joran. V/d Straten reluctantly allows it because Joran is underage.

Joran, Paul, Jacobs and v/d Straten sit in on statement.

Joran calls Deepak during the questioning to ask about Natalee's clothing. Deepak remembers.

P113

Joran tells HI story, it takes 20 minutes. Jacobs types, prints statement. Joran reads it and makes minor corrections. Paul "wanted that everything matched with what i told."

P114

Joran visits neighbor Freddy, talks to sister while waiting for him to get home from school. Joran tells Freddy that he left the girl on the beach and that he and the Kalpoes lied to the police. Freddy "understands a little" and tells Joran that he can trust him.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7208.0

[klaasend]

Thanks Buckeye - wanted to capture it in a format that Red can use for a front page post to hopefully go along with the youtube of the Greta interview tonight with JQK 

[crazybabyborg]

 June 9, 2005 was a Thursday, so if the passage from Joran's book refers to Tuesday, then it would have to be June 2, 2005. Where is that statement???

SELF EDIT! June 2 is Tuesday! 

[Tamikosmom]

JQK went through the sequence of events beginning at C&Cs: Joran bought Natalee the last drink, brought it to her, gave it to her, suddenly she was in and out of consciencness in the car, and has never been seen since. Joran was the FIRST person interviewed on May 31. Satish's and Deepak's statements from May 31 are part of the record. June 9 is the first statement of Joran's that is part of the record.

Thank you cbb.

Joran mentioned the Fisherman Hut account in his missing May 31, 2005 statement or ... interrogators would not be questioning Deepak and Satish in regards to this issue.

The implication is that Deepak and Satish's attorney/s should have received a copy of Joran's May 31, 2005 statement from the prosecutor.

This statement has never been revealed ... Beth thinks that she saw it torn up on Dennis Jacobs desk on the morney of June 1, 2005 ... when her statement was taken.

Janet

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Vivian Van Der Biezen - Spokesperson Karin Janssen
NANCE GRACE
June 10, 2005

GRACE: Why is it that the defense attorneys for the other four have not been allowed to see this Dutch boy`s statement, the son of the Aruban judicial official?

VAN DER BIEZEN: This is because when a defense attorney has a client, then the defense attorney will have only the statements that relate to his clients. If the defense attorney doesn`t have information about one of the suspects, this means that this suspect did not have any accusations against his client.


Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005

At approximately 12.30 (May 31, 2005) my dad and me had arrived at Bubali police station. I was interviewed as a witness. I cannot remember that in my statement I had said that I had been at Fisherman's Huts with Natalee. I might be possible that I stated that.


Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I will answer you no.


Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005

TWITTY: Well, Rita, like I said, we‘ve been worried as early as June 1 when we saw torn statements at a police station. We‘ve had falsified documents. I mean, we‘ve seen key elements omitted from uniformed police officers‘ statements. We‘ve had a D.E.A. whose statement was never taken.

[msmarple]

This may have already been posted, if so please delete mine.

POSTED BY MF @ RU:


MF Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:25 pm   
Hans Mos reacts.

Prosecutor Mos debunks article in "de Telegraaf"

"The news that we are looking to detain Patrick van der Eem is a big lie"

He confirmed that he wants to talk to him and nothing more.

He said that what the reporter in the Telegraaf and from there spread in other newsmedia around the world in not true. He was never interviewed by the Telegraaf, so it is impossible for them to quote him saying that they are looking for Patrick to be detained.

He tried to contact him in Holland, but with no success, now that Patrick is in Aruba, and he knows where he is, he left a message for him to contact the OM, but that has not happened yet.

He once again said that the OM has no power to arrest anyone and that a petition must be granted by a judge for that. So, it is not true that if he does not come to the OM, he will arrest him. Patrick has his phone number and how to contact him and he hopes that Patrick will talk to him.

Last edited by MF on Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:47 pm; edited 1 time in total 

i sincerely hope mos backtracks this big lie and [font=Verdanalays it publicly on the doorstep of the person who started it.[/font][/color]  you don't think it could have possibly been a female faux journalist from aruba, do you?
dennisintn

I don't know about "the person", but I think the first reference I saw to an arrest if Patrick didn't come in voluntarily was Amigoe.com - a fertile field for "planted disinformation".

[klaasend]

That statement did not make Shizaru's new site.

Found this at BFN with page numbers:

P111

Tuesday May 31st 2005

Joran rides bus to school, takes exam, visits with principal Werner and sleeps in sick bay.

Paul calls school at 10:30am. Jan v/d Straten wants Joran to give a voluntary witness statement, since the family was creating quite some noise.

Paul meets with principal, then he and Joran head to Bubali Station.

Joran calls Deepak who says, "stick to our story, the police has also phoned Satish and me and asked us to come."

P112

Paul asks to sit in on statement, shocking Joran. V/d Straten reluctantly allows it because Joran is underage.

Joran, Paul, Jacobs and v/d Straten sit in on statement.

Joran calls Deepak during the questioning to ask about Natalee's clothing. Deepak remembers.

P113

Joran tells HI story, it takes 20 minutes. Jacobs types, prints statement. Joran reads it and makes minor corrections. Paul "wanted that everything matched with what i told."

P114

Joran visits neighbor Freddy, talks to sister while waiting for him to get home from school. Joran tells Freddy that he left the girl on the beach and that he and the Kalpoes lied to the police. Freddy "understands a little" and tells Joran that he can trust him.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7208.0

Thanks Buckeye

[Observer]

*******, what is the significance of those pics? I can't follow the text description.

R en S is still on the radar...Jelle etc.but I got some news about dutchies leaving NL too about tax and jail...some can't go back to NL because they will be arrested at Schiphol.
Anyways, you were 100% right about the so called sex activities:there are many hotels rented by certain people who hire entertainment girls for a holliday for the abroad customer for a week or..this was already in a show at the BBC

We have read about Aruba and there close relationship with the Norte Valley Cartel in the 80's and I would suspect it is still strong just more under the radar. As a matter of fact I believe they owned the HI before known Mobster Michael Posner bought it..Well that could be the Italian Mob they are in Aruba also.I forget at the moment

We hear rumors about what you are saying and especially the elders on the island,you should read up on the lions Den that was in Aruba in 2005 as it may interest you. As far as Margarita island it is a truly run by scum and they specialize specificly now in these Adult Vacations. I have seen no proof Natalee was ever taken there but I know they suspect Amy Bradley was. She dissapeared back in 1998 from a cruise ship before docking in Curacao. The Band members were adamant about taking her to Carlos ANd Charlies just before that. She didn't go because they were creepy

[crazybabyborg]

Tamik, if Deepak's and Satish's attys got a copy, maybe that's where Carlos got the info he spoke to KJ about in that secret meeting?

[klaasend]

June 9, 2005 was a Thursday, so if the passage from Joran's book refers to Tuesday, then it would have to be June 2, 2005. Where is that statement???

SELF EDIT! June 2 is Tuesday! 

Monday was May 30, 2005, Tuesday was the 31st

[dennisintn]

i sincerely hope mos backtracks this big lie and lays it publicly on the doorstep of the person who started it.  you don't think it could have possibly been a female faux journalist from aruba, do you?
dennisintn
[/quote]
You mean this same reporter that he met with and gave her that nice letter?



[/quote]

*******, i didn't see this and couldn't read it anyway.  what's the gist of it, please?
dennisintn

[klaasend]

[crazybabyborg]

June 9, 2005 was a Thursday, so if the passage from Joran's book refers to Tuesday, then it would have to be June 2, 2005. Where is that statement???

SELF EDIT! June 2 is Tuesday! 

Monday was May 30, 2005, Tuesday was the 31st

And if I'd just get my computer calender on the correct month as well as the right year, I'd have known that!  Thank you Klaas!!

[Bladerunner]

Thanks Buckeye - wanted to capture it in a format that Red can use for a front page post to hopefully go along with the youtube of the Greta interview tonight with JQK 

That would be an excellent post! I have always thought that the missing statement pages--and in this case an entire statement(s)--were as close to a smoking gun for a cover-up as you could get. I mean how does a statement just disappear? What is the explanation, that the dog ate out homework?

[hotping]

Hi Hotping, as with all virus protection programs, you should have that set to download all new virus definitions automatically. If you open something, your program should ID it and prevent you from opening it without a double or triple check. If there is no known ID, then the virus protection program is flying blind and will not recognize it.

If you open something and can not stop it, you are in trouble. Turning your computer off may not stop it and it would probably have a built in switch that prevents you from turning it off until the virus is uploaded to your C drive.

For those that have Hotmail or Yahoo accounts, please remember that an attachment is an attachment and it can be imported from a web-based mail system.

Thanks Rob!

[Puzzler]

JQK, on Greta's show tonight, said that he'd had a long conversation with Hans Mos today by telephone - about 30 minutes.

JQK also said that he believes they have a strong circumstantial case against Joran.

[crazybabyborg]

Thanks Buckeye - wanted to capture it in a format that Red can use for a front page post to hopefully go along with the youtube of the Greta interview tonight with JQK 

That would be an excellent post! I have always thought that the missing statement pages--and in this case an entire statement(s)--were as close to a smoking gun for a cover-up as you could get. I mean how does a statement just disappear? What is the explanation, that the dog ate out homework?

That's a definite entry in our corruption category for the media!

[Buckeye]

Paulus statement (June 23) regarding that Tuesday:

Quite a few differences...20 min. vs 3 hrs.......??officer Kelly??

We then departed for the police station in Bubali where we
arrived at approximately 11.00 hours. Jacobs and Kelly took down Joran's
statement. Joran was speaking in Papiamentu and that was translated
by the officers into Dutch. I was there when Joran made his statement.
We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead
of observations. At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement
and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=459.0