Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[Anna]

Did Greta have anything on tonite?  If so I must have missed it.

 

At least clothes -- I hope 

 

LOL, yes she was clothed

Yes, and thank goodness for that!  But we sat through all her program for nothing?

That Dateline program on predators is coming up soon, too.  That is going to leave a mark I am pretty sure.  Just knowing Beth and Dave are on it says there are predators that took their daughter. 

[Anna]

Hope there will be more media coverage this week.

Heading for the Monkey Bunkey.

G'nite.

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[Silverfox]

NEWS FLASH -- NEWS FLASH -- NEWS FLASH -- NEWS FLASH -- NEWS FLASH -- NEWS FLASH -- NEWS FLASH --

NEW ARUBAN AHATA TOURISM VIDEO RELEASED

AN UPDATED VIDEO ABOUT THE CURRENT SITUATION IN ARUBA! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28TeUbYvXS0

[klaasend]

Nite Anna

Silverfox - thought you were serious about that youtube at first, LOL    I mean I know you're serious about the ghost town part, I just thought it was a real tourism video..

[Magnolia]

What brought the Purcells to Aruba?  Was it the Marriott?

Probably the Marriott.  Both Mark and Marlene worked at the Marriott and of course I'm sure they got Mark Jr. the job at Moombas.

Unless it was the abundance of drugs and free flowing alcohol 

Probably the latter was first on the list.  Marriott came second.

[Silverfox]

Nite Anna

Silverfox - thought you were serious about that youtube at first, LOL    I mean I know you're serious about the ghost town part, I just thought it was a real tourism video..

LOL -- I just couldn't resist -- this should be the new National Anthem for them, don't you think?

[klaasend]

Silverfox - Yes, for sure! 

[klaasend]

GOODNIGHT ALL!

[spooky112483]

Tylergal,
 
I remember in the very beginning of all of this that it may have been your DH who contacted Dan Rhiel before we even knew the name of "the girl" who was missing.  I believe that is how Dan came to be aware of the situation so early when it was just a local news item.
 
We have been standing by the girl since then and I will continue to do so but it is for Beth that I hang in here now.  Natalee is beyond any Earthly needs now but I would do anything within my power to sustain and support Beth because I am a mother, too.
 
We have chased Grindle codes, run the Red Queen's race, chased after sex slavers and the Russian Mafia.  We have had our lives threatened, our computers' hacked, been sent more porn than Hugh Hefner, lambasted and banned, giving new meaning to the old cliché "been thrown out of better places than this"!
 
We have waded through chat rooms in foreign languages we could barely grasp, looked at more MySpace pages than the average college freshman, gone through real life weddings, funerals, births and deaths, sickness and health, but always managed to find time to make a post or two if only to be counted among those supporting. 
 
We've strained our eyes looking for pictures within pictures and hidden meanings and messages, been accused of being related to people in this investigation and having some hidden agenda.  As the shadows grow longer in the East for me, I am less inclined to explain myself and my skin grows ever thicker but one thing I do know for sure.  And I am sure I speak for many when I say this but I am very happy to have had you as a friend along for this wild journey on which we have all been for so long now.  I am always deeply flattered when people often confuse us despite the fact we live hundreds of miles apart.
 
I don't think we have learned much more for all those efforts than we knew almost immediately but we have uncovered every rock and nook and cranny that has been presented.  I am proud to have you as my friend as that friendship has been one of the bright spots in this sad and tragic episode.  And while I certainly stand with The Girl, it is for the mother that I remain after all this time.  My own children have traveled too close to this circle of events to turn away but even if they hadn't, I think any one with a heart could feel for Beth.
 
Anyone, that is, except for those conducting this bogus investigation and with the power to set things right.  And I do believe that is what will be their ultimate undoing.  No, we can't force them to do the right thing but the whole world is watching and wondering just what kind of people are these that would do this.  Liars lie, thieves steal so what do their actions say about them? 
 
Thank you, Tylergal, for being you and being my friend.  You have made this all bearable in so many ways and been a constant source of encouragement and comfort to us all.  And I am so glad you did not get blown away yesterday in the storms but that was much too close for comfort.
 
My rant for the day. . .

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God bless Scared Monkeys! I love you all!!

[greeneyedlady]

Posted @ RU:

Pronkjewail Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:17 am   
Om wants to interrogate Patrick van der Eem

From www.nu.nl:

OM Aruba wil Van der Eem verhoren OM Aruba wants to interrogate Patrick van der Eem.
Uitgegeven: 19 februari 2008 06:54
Laatst gewijzigd: 19 februari 2008 07:06

ORANJESTAD - Justitie op Aruba is van plan om Patrick van der Eem (34) als getuige te verhoren in de zaak-Natalee Holloway. Dat hoeft niet op vrijwillige basis te gebeuren, meent hoofdofficier van justitie Hans Mos. The justice department on Aruba plans to interrogate Patrick van der Eem (34) as a witness in the Natalee Holloway-case. According to Hans Mos, this doesnt have to happen on a voluntary basis.
Van der Eem, die verklaringen bij Joran van der Sloot wist te ontlokken in de verdwijningszaak, loopt het risico er tijdelijk voor te worden vastgezet. "Hij heeft al aan vele media zijn verhaal verteld en moet het nu maar eens aan ons uitleggen", aldus Mos dinsdag. Van der Eem, who got some declarations from joran van der sloot about the case, runs the risk of being put in jail for a short time. "He told his story to all kinds of media, now its time he tells us". according to Mos.
De opstelling van justitie verbaast Van der Eem, die op Aruba is om zijn belevenissen als infiltrant door de Amerikaanse schrijfster E.E. Byars (pseud. Elizabeth Byars) voor een boek te laten optekenen. The way OM ARuba is willing to handle this, surprised Van der Eem, who is on Aruba to write a book about his adventures as an infiltrant together with American writer EE Byars (pseud. Elizabeth byars).
"Ik heb niks te verbergen hierin, maar ik kan ook mijn mond houden. Dat zal dan niet de eerste keer zijn dat ik mijn mond hou. Als ze mij vast willen zetten, moeten ze dat maar doen. Je mag het negen dagen proberen. Maar ik sta aan de kant van het OM, ze hoeven alleen maar te bellen om me te vragen en ik zal er zijn." Ive got nothing to hide, but I could also keep my mouth shut. It wouldnt be the first time I say nothing. If they want to incarcerate me, they should do that. You can try for 9 days. But Im on the same side as the OM; all they have to do is call me, ask me to be there and I will be there.
Voor Van der Eem is het boek niet de enige reden om op Aruba te zijn. "Het is ook een geweldig vakantieland. En ik ben hier een groot gedeelte van mijn jeugd opgegroeid, van ongeveer mijn vierde tot twaalfde jaar." According to Van der Eem the book isnt the only reason to be on Aruba. Its great to be here on a holiday. And I grew up here for a big part of my childhood: from when i was 4 till I was 12.
Schrijfster Byars (33) kwam in contact met Van der Eem via de redactie van misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries, voor wie ze vertaalsuggesties deed voor de 'Holloway-uitzending'. Writer Buars (33) came in contact with Van der Eem through crimefighter Peter R de Vries, who she gave some translative suggestions.
Tot nu toe maakte ze slechts fictieverhalen, maar toen het eerste hoofdstuk over Van der Eem af was, wekte dat volgens haar genoeg vertrouwen op. Byars verwacht dat het boek met de titel Disposed in september in de Amerikaanse boekhandels ligt. Until now she only wrote fiction, but finishing the first chapter of Van der Eems book, gave her the confidence to do more.Byars expects the book (with the title "disposed') to be in stores in september.   Dutch Dynamo Girl



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[klaasend]

Thanks GEL - also posted on the front page of SM but EURobert:

EURobert wrote:


http://www.tiscali.nl/content/article/nbinn/om_aruba_wil_van_der_eem_verhoren/575685.htm

OM Aruba wants to hear Van der Eem

UTRECHT / ORANJESTAD - 19-02-2008 - Justice on Aruba intends to hear Patrick van der Eem (34) as a witness in the Natalee Holloway-case. That needs not be done on a voluntary basis, believes Chief Public Prosecutor Hans Mos.

Van der Eem, who managed to elicit statements from Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance-case, runs the risk to be temporarily incarcerated. “He has already told his story to many media and must now explain it to us once,” says Mos Tuesday. The attitude of justice surprised Van der Eem, who is on Aruba now to tell about his experiences as a mole to the American writer E.E. Byars (pseud. Elizabeth Byars) for a book to be recorded.

“I have nothing to hide in this, but I can keep my mouth shut as well. This will not be the first time that I keep my mouth shut. If they want to put me in jail, they just should do so. You may try it for nine days. But I am on the side of the OM (Publ.Pros.Off.), they only have to call me, ask and I will be there. ” For Van der Eem the book is not the only reason to be on Aruba. ‘It is also a great holiday-island. And I grew up here for a big part of my childhood, from about my fourth to twelfth year.”

© Tiscali / ANP

[klaasend]

GOODNIGHT!

[greeneyedlady]

Here's just the translation part for easier reading.

Pronkjewail Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:17 am   
Om wants to interrogate Patrick van der Eem
From www.nu.nl:

ORANJESTAD -

The justice department on Aruba plans to interrogate Patrick van der Eem (34) as a witness in the Natalee Holloway-case. According to Hans Mos, this doesnt have to happen on a voluntary basis.

Van der Eem, who got some declarations from joran van der sloot about the case, runs the risk of being put in jail for a short time. "He told his story to all kinds of media, now its time he tells us". according to Mos.
The way OM ARuba is willing to handle this, surprised Van der Eem, who is on Aruba to write a book about his adventures as an infiltrant together with American writer EE Byars (pseud. Elizabeth byars).

Ive got nothing to hide, but I could also keep my mouth shut. It wouldnt be the first time I say nothing. If they want to incarcerate me, they should do that. You can try for 9 days. But Im on the same side as the OM; all they have to do is call me, ask me to be there and I will be there.

According to Van der Eem the book isnt the only reason to be on Aruba. Its great to be here on a holiday. And I grew up here for a big part of my childhood: from when i was 4 till I was 12.

Writer Buars (33) came in contact with Van der Eem through crimefighter Peter R de Vries, who she gave some translative suggestions.

de titel Disposed in september in de Amerikaanse boekhandels ligt. Until now she only wrote fiction, but finishing the first chapter of Van der Eems book, gave her the confidence to do more.Byars expects the book (with the title "disposed') to be in stores in september.

[greeneyedlady]

Klaas-oops-didn't see your post.

[MumInOhio]

If Beth is securing a NL lawyer, can this lawyer have access to the files in Aruba?  Remember Mos says JQK could look at the files but not leave the room with them or make copies.  Not much help but if Beth has a Dutch lawyer who can read the files those files don't have to leave the office.

Blue Moon...Good question and a very good point....

[MumInOhio]

Natalee met with a local man for 30 minutes not a older man.

Thanks *******....that was what I had remembered as well.

I had the older mind in my mind until a few weeks back and reread the 302s.

[MumInOhio]

What brought the Purcells to Aruba?  Was it the Marriott?

I have assumed that. I am not sure if he is still there. He was supposed to be going someplace in Nevada. I have it saved, but finding it is something else!...

[MumInOhio]

Thanks GEL - also posted on the front page of SM but EURobert:

EURobert wrote:


http://www.tiscali.nl/content/article/nbinn/om_aruba_wil_van_der_eem_verhoren/575685.htm

OM Aruba wants to hear Van der Eem

UTRECHT / ORANJESTAD - 19-02-2008 - Justice on Aruba intends to hear Patrick van der Eem (34) as a witness in the Natalee Holloway-case. That needs not be done on a voluntary basis, believes Chief Public Prosecutor Hans Mos.

Van der Eem, who managed to elicit statements from Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance-case, runs the risk to be temporarily incarcerated. “He has already told his story to many media and must now explain it to us once,” says Mos Tuesday. The attitude of justice surprised Van der Eem, who is on Aruba now to tell about his experiences as a mole to the American writer E.E. Byars (pseud. Elizabeth Byars) for a book to be recorded.

“I have nothing to hide in this, but I can keep my mouth shut as well. This will not be the first time that I keep my mouth shut. If they want to put me in jail, they just should do so. You may try it for nine days. But I am on the side of the OM (Publ.Pros.Off.), they only have to call me, ask and I will be there. ” For Van der Eem the book is not the only reason to be on Aruba. ‘It is also a great holiday-island. And I grew up here for a big part of my childhood, from about my fourth to twelfth year.”

© Tiscali / ANP

Thanks Klaas and GEL....

I lost a lot of confidence in Mos last November when 'whatever' he had turned out to be old evidence.

The rest I lost when Peter DeVries mentioned an infiltrator!

[MumInOhio]

*******......Interesting that both you and Klaas thought that the David in Joran's book was David Wever.

This is who I thought he was talking about.

 David Fisiitalia also became a friend of Joran's, he met him at ISA. He came from Seattle in 2003 and moved to Aruba because his mom started working with the US customs office on the island. They hung around a lot in each other's houses and played soccer with friends at a field near Joran's house.

[MumInOhio]

*******...here is another paragraph form his book translation.

I have been wondering just what the 'woman' was doing there....seems odd that she would be there to talk to Jossy's cousin about a shooting or Abraham Jones.

I am still looking for more info on the David I posted about above. And his Mom.

quote Joran's book:

Oh, another "juicy" thingy, when Joran was arrested he was also brought to Noord later on, another policestation. Abraham Jones was there, a woman who worked at the American customs, and the cousin of ..........Jossy, who was in one of those cells for involvement in a shooting....( we knew about the cousin and the shooting, but I didn`t knew that guy was in a cell near Joran.....)