Natalee Case Discussion #733 2/17 - 2/21/08

[Tamikosmom]

Posted on the front page of SM:

viet vet wrote:


#54. Chris. There is some confusion on the 1,250.000.00 for the return of Natalee. Early in the case,June 05, a wealthy man from the USA pledged $1 million for the safe return of Natalee or $250,000. for the return of her remains. He would still pay off, no money was sent to the family/friends, just pledged and the man definitely has the money. He was/is sincere, trustworthy, and very well known. He does not want his identity given out unless Natalee or her remains appear. The only way the money will be delivered is if Natalee is delivered. So that money cannot be tapped for other use. And I am connected to Natalee, she dated my son, and if you have viewed the photos he is in them. Natalee has spent many days at my house and lakehouse, as has her brother and mother and Jug. I went to Aruba several times, my wife several, and my wife has been on many of the trips with Beth, like Holland, New York, LA, and on and on. I do not have any idea how much we have spent, but that is not something I care to count. Main thing is find Natalee and boycott Aruba. Scared Monkeys staff and members have given countless hours and spent money and Beth/family/friends are very appreciative. It is hard to believe this nightmare, but it has happened and there was a coverup from day one. I know you get frustrated Chris, and so do we, but we do recognize the supreme effort everyone has shown. If you folks were not doing what you do here everyday, Aruba would have won. Without support, we could not have gotten this far and we are not about to quit. We will fight for Natalee for as long as it takes, Joran and Aruba will eventually fall. There are many things they have covered up, but there are some things we know and will use them when the time is right. After learning they were destroying what we found in evidence, we have had to move to a watch and wait position. If I could give them something so solid, they would have to arrest Joran, it would be done. But it will have to be very strong, they are looking for any way out of not prosecuting and will continue that for as long as they can. We need the body, or another break I cannot mention. We will get one or both of them in time. Joran and Paulus should enjoy their freedom as long as they can, it may change for them. This has been a long and costly case for us and for Aruba/J,P,2K as well. Thanks so much to you folks for you dedication, hard work, and generous outpouring of funds and support. Together we cannot lose. I think we have some great support from the people of the Netherlands, they try to help us and Joran is not a popular fellow over there. Peter de Vries has opened the case for all the world to see, matters not if he makes money, it has helped. All you have to do is watch Joran throw the wine in his face and you really know what we have here. Peter along with most of his countrymen want Joran punished, the only bad comments we get from the Netherland posters comes either from Joran and his family or their close friends. Art Wood is very correct in his theory about the house of cards down in Aruba. Minnisota Dad, has great insight too, he is on track. So Chris, if you have any other questions, I will be glad to answer whatever I can. It is always good to inform as much as is possible, and I think it was fine for you to question. I have no problem with you, you are one of us and we have a good team……so Boycott, and keep on writing, it will all come back in time.

Thank you Klaas.

It is always good to hear from viet vet.

Janet

[Frank]

Wow JQK put in another good performance!

I almost thought Greta was going to say Aruba Dirty Police?

[Dayhiker]

NO STATEMENTS BY JORAN IN THE FILES UNTIL JUNE 9!

BAM! CORRUPTION!!!

[klaasend]

Wow JQK put in another good performance!

I almost thought Greta was going to say Aruba Dirty Police?

Dang...I missed Greta!!!

[Dihannah1]

Nobody watching Greta?   She's been interviewing JQK who spoke with MOS today.   Greta wants to see our State Department involved.  She mentioned how the cops new something from the beginning from what they asked Jug about the seizures.  I hope Carpe get's the video, which I'm sure.   JQK,  is extremely frustrated and says they have enough circumstantial evidence and Natalee has NOT hired a civil attorney in NL, at least yet.  He said that news did not come from him, Dave or Beth....

[letsgetthiscasesolved]

Posted on the front page of SM:

Best thing I read in days, today I looked at a link which was related to something I am interested in, not for living but just because I had a holiday overthere in the 90's..it was about Isla M, please..after I read and searched on google and ended with a very scary story...In the beginning it was broadcasted in NL as  a ' I'm moving to another island story' it ends up weird...please, take my advice...there's something really strange about that region where even governments have no hand/part/deal in...they(higher powers) just give signals, and their arms are long.

You talking about Margarita Island? It's a very interesting place as that is where AMy Bradley may have been brought into Prostitution. I see the person who they think is her is still on the website that specializes in Adult Vacations. Aruba is well on it's way to being another Margarita Island unless they do a complete 180. That place offers drugs and girls to lonely men and not much else.

Speaking of the sex business,in Aruba I noticed a business popped up right after Mr.Pink fled the island. Offers the exact same services as he did(No idea if he does porn films also) They started the Web Site on 6-30-05.. I wonder if he took over what Mr.Pink started?

Registrant:  jeje.margarita@gmail.com
 Aruba Sexy
 Jukuri 66
 Santa Cruz, -- 29000
 AW

 Domain name: ARUBASEXY.COM

 Administrative Contact:
    Mardenborough, Clarens 
    Jukuri 66
    Santa Cruz, -- 29000
    AW
    568-0822    Fax: 000-000-0000

 Technical Contact:
    Mardenborough, Clarens 
    Jukuri 66
    Santa Cruz, -- 29000
    AW
    568-0822    Fax: 000-000-0000

http://whois.domaintools.com/arubasexy.com

*******, you're totally on the money now, I'm sorry to say this....I've been on Isla Margarita and to tell you honest it was a masquarade...in the brochure a nice island and in the end it was a total dump...I will tell later what all happened but this was in the '90's..so...my thinking is, and my conscience says, some of this had to happen on their sister islands.

[crazybabyborg]

Posted on the front page of SM:

viet vet wrote:


#54. Chris. There is some confusion on the 1,250.000.00 for the return of Natalee. Early in the case,June 05, a wealthy man from the USA pledged $1 million for the safe return of Natalee or $250,000. for the return of her remains. He would still pay off, no money was sent to the family/friends, just pledged and the man definitely has the money. He was/is sincere, trustworthy, and very well known. He does not want his identity given out unless Natalee or her remains appear. The only way the money will be delivered is if Natalee is delivered. So that money cannot be tapped for other use. And I am connected to Natalee, she dated my son, and if you have viewed the photos he is in them. Natalee has spent many days at my house and lakehouse, as has her brother and mother and Jug. I went to Aruba several times, my wife several, and my wife has been on many of the trips with Beth, like Holland, New York, LA, and on and on. I do not have any idea how much we have spent, but that is not something I care to count. Main thing is find Natalee and boycott Aruba. Scared Monkeys staff and members have given countless hours and spent money and Beth/family/friends are very appreciative. It is hard to believe this nightmare, but it has happened and there was a coverup from day one. I know you get frustrated Chris, and so do we, but we do recognize the supreme effort everyone has shown. If you folks were not doing what you do here everyday, Aruba would have won. Without support, we could not have gotten this far and we are not about to quit. We will fight for Natalee for as long as it takes, Joran and Aruba will eventually fall. There are many things they have covered up, but there are some things we know and will use them when the time is right. After learning they were destroying what we found in evidence, we have had to move to a watch and wait position. If I could give them something so solid, they would have to arrest Joran, it would be done. But it will have to be very strong, they are looking for any way out of not prosecuting and will continue that for as long as they can. We need the body, or another break I cannot mention. We will get one or both of them in time. Joran and Paulus should enjoy their freedom as long as they can, it may change for them. This has been a long and costly case for us and for Aruba/J,P,2K as well. Thanks so much to you folks for you dedication, hard work, and generous outpouring of funds and support. Together we cannot lose. I think we have some great support from the people of the Netherlands, they try to help us and Joran is not a popular fellow over there. Peter de Vries has opened the case for all the world to see, matters not if he makes money, it has helped. All you have to do is watch Joran throw the wine in his face and you really know what we have here. Peter along with most of his countrymen want Joran punished, the only bad comments we get from the Netherland posters comes either from Joran and his family or their close friends. Art Wood is very correct in his theory about the house of cards down in Aruba. Minnisota Dad, has great insight too, he is on track. So Chris, if you have any other questions, I will be glad to answer whatever I can. It is always good to inform as much as is possible, and I think it was fine for you to question. I have no problem with you, you are one of us and we have a good team……so Boycott, and keep on writing, it will all come back in time.

That's VERY encouraging! Minnisota Dad has great insight? Are his posts on the FP? I'd like to read them! Thanks for bringing that over, Klaas!

[Dihannah1]

Nobody watching Greta?   She's been interviewing JQK who spoke with MOS today.   Greta wants to see our State Department involved.  She mentioned how the cops new something from the beginning from what they asked Jug about the seizures.  I hope Carpe get's the video, which I'm sure.   JQK,  is extremely frustrated and says they have enough circumstantial evidence and BETH has NOT hired a civil attorney in NL, at least yet.  He said that news did not come from him, Dave or Beth....

Self edit:  I meant Beth, not Natalee

[Observer]

From our friend Johan at FOK.

I was on a web site of a detective desk a photograph on May 30, 2005 this picture has drawn my opinion google earth.
Why exactly on that date, I am still not behind



Marriott

[crazybabyborg]

Nobody watching Greta?   She's been interviewing JQK who spoke with MOS today.   Greta wants to see our State Department involved.  She mentioned how the cops new something from the beginning from what they asked Jug about the seizures.  I hope Carpe get's the video, which I'm sure.   JQK,  is extremely frustrated and says they have enough circumstantial evidence and Natalee has NOT hired a civil attorney in NL, at least yet.  He said that news did not come from him, Dave or Beth....

I did! JQK had a pretty good synopsis of things at the end, and even stopped Greta from saying "goodbye" to get it in! He said he wants them to go ahead and "pull the trigger" on Joran!

[Observer]

Posted on the front page of SM:

That's VERY encouraging! Minnisota Dad has great insight? Are his posts on the FP? I'd like to read them! Thanks for bringing that over, Klaas!

Yes..MD has been posting for a long time and has some very interesting theories.

[crazybabyborg]

JQK went through the sequence of events beginning at C&Cs: Joran bought Natalee the last drink, brought it to her, gave it to her, suddenly she was in and out of consciencness in the car, and has never been seen since. Joran was the FIRST person interviewed on May 31. Satish's and Deepak's statements from May 31 are part of the record. June 9 is the first statement of Joran's that is part of the record.

[texasmom]

I've been catching up (not near enough, but a few pages anyway).  I look forward to listening to Dana's show later!  Great post by Viet Vet if anyone missed it.  I missed Greta but will probably catch the replay, if not I'll record it sounds like it was a good one too. 

Thanks for all the prayers and kind thoughts that were sent my way.  Please continue to keep us in your prayers.  I feel as though I have been "group hugged" and I truly needed it.....thanks again.  TM

 

[letsgetthiscasesolved]

From our friend Johan at FOK.

I was on a web site of a detective desk a photograph on May 30, 2005 this picture has drawn my opinion google earth.
Why exactly on that date, I am still not behind



Marriott

Well, I guess Johan is reading it too...luckily I have a year long jet-lag so I work and live at night, dontknow about Johan though...anyways..what I found out is a total bust for the whole region...it looks like the islands are trying to survive from tourism by hiring big advertise-firms and big lawyers..paid by and that's where it get's scary...by whom.
Just think of this...who can pay as a 'normal' familly in Aruba for a Tacopnia and 5 more in US or different countries....

[Dayhiker]

Nobody watching Greta?   She's been interviewing JQK who spoke with MOS today.   Greta wants to see our State Department involved.  She mentioned how the cops new something from the beginning from what they asked Jug about the seizures.  I hope Carpe get's the video, which I'm sure.   JQK,  is extremely frustrated and says they have enough circumstantial evidence and Natalee has NOT hired a civil attorney in NL, at least yet.  He said that news did not come from him, Dave or Beth....

I watched it Dihannah, was very good. JQK reveals there are not statements of Joran's in the police files until June 9th. Kalpoes and everybody else are in there.

June 9th is four days after the guards were arrested and Joran is on the record for helping dream up the Holiday Inn story with Deepak, so where the hell is Joran's Holiday Inn statement?

Where is the statement where Joran said he walked home?

Where is the statement where Joran said K2 dropped him off at his house and drove off with Natalee?

Where is the statement Paulus said he helped edit with Van der Straten?

More important where is the satatement where Joran mentioned Natalee had a seizure that caused the police to ask her family if she was an epileptic or prone to seizures?


THE CORRUPTION IS COMING OUT. NO SMALL WONDER RUDY AND NELSON ARE SO QUIET.

[crazybabyborg]

Greta said she'd like to see our State Dept get involved with the case. JQK also added in the sequence that Joran's story has changed at least 3 times. He said he gets aggravated just talking about it and that he feels they have a strong circumstantial case and he wished they'd just go ahead and pull the trigger on Joran.

Greta mentioned the seizure questions to Jug, and that's when JQK pointed out the "missing" statement from Joran on the 31st.

[Bladerunner]

*******, what is the significance of those pics? I can't follow the text description.

[Buckeye]

*******

I see boats, all the time, just pulled up on shore.  They must not need to dock??  With Soul Beach, that weekend, I would think there would have been a high number of boats in the water.  Even if the radar had been working, I am certain they weren't paying overtime to monitor all the boats.  If anything, they gave the staff time off, for the festival.

[letsgetthiscasesolved]

*******, what is the significance of those pics? I can't follow the text description.

Was on a dutch forum, about the Marriot...btw: good the kalpoe's are talking!!!

[crazybabyborg]

BTW: There are avatars and instructions for aquiring them at the link below for any monkey who wants one:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2619.0

The Greta and JQK segment was at the beginning of her show, so you won't have to watch the whole show to catch it.