Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 - 2/24/08

[dsmith]

again my gut says look to the other side of the island for Natalee  no body no crime  they feed the sharks   she was on the othe side of the island  just going by my gut  you would not hide a body under something a dog would find it  must put it somewhere that nothting would smell it  so out to sea   a party and something  goes wrong wrong  so you must cover it up and it will never be found   the only way to make sure this happenes is to feed the sharks  not body no crime  you must look out side the box

[ala_gunslinger]

Tonight on Dateline NBC:

She disappeared almost three years ago. Within hours, the search for Natalee Holloway had begun, and it continues to this day. Tonight we bring you the Natalee Holloway story you haven't heard -- the story of parents who, even now, will go anywhere -- and endure anything -- to find answers.

We take you inside their desperate search, reveal a cruel hoax, and hear about Natalee's last night from one of her classmates who hasn't spoken out publicly until now.

Chris Hansen with the latest on "The Search for Natalee Holloway," tonight at 10, 9 central on Dateline.

Sniff....  Sniff.....   Sniff...

Do ya'll smell that?


That's what shit smells like when it hits the fan!

[bleachedblack]

Tamikosmom wrote;

Freddy Zedan Arambatzis was detained at the same time as Deepak and Satish at the end of August.  However ... Freddy was not detained in connection with the Natalee Holloway case but ... the suspicions that led to this detainment ... suspicions that involve a camera implies to this wannabe detective that Freddy's role in the Natalee Holloway case also involved a camera.

Freddy Zedan Armbatzis was never a formal suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

I happen to think you are right. Freddy is the likely camera man, and participant at times  according to what i remember reading on his old tickle site. Infact I recall Freddy being listed as a friend on the tickle site of that old perv Maarten? Do you recall that? I know
nothing is proven about his involvement in anything....and I doubt there is other than their mutual interest in xrated photography.

[Dayhiker]

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[Dayhiker]

Tonight on Dateline NBC:

She disappeared almost three years ago. Within hours, the search for Natalee Holloway had begun, and it continues to this day. Tonight we bring you the Natalee Holloway story you haven't heard -- the story of parents who, even now, will go anywhere -- and endure anything -- to find answers.

We take you inside their desperate search, reveal a cruel hoax, and hear about Natalee's last night from one of her classmates who hasn't spoken out publicly until now.

Chris Hansen with the latest on "The Search for Natalee Holloway," tonight at 10, 9 central on Dateline.

Sniff....  Sniff.....   Sniff...

Do ya'll smell that?


That's what shit smells like when it hits the fan!

Which cruel hoax? There were so many perpetrated by the Arubans and their minions.

[Serenity]

hey guys  don't know how to bring photos over here from another site but hope someone else can. There are photos of Anita and Paulus playing bingo on the International school of aruba site. Same site has Jorans brother on the Ahata Beach clean up photos.

[Tamikosmom]

I believe that Joran confided in Freddy on May 30, 2005 because Freddy was not aware the happenings following Natalee being taken from the the VDS' residence.

My theory in a nutshell includes all seven formal suspects as well as Freddy and Lorenzo.  For brevity ... I omitted back up quotes/reasoning.

Janet

+++++++++++

OCKHAM'S RAZOR
"You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity."

1.  Freddy is waiting at the VDS' residence ... with his camera ... when Satish, Deepak and Joran arrive with a drugged Natalee after leaving Carlos 'N Charles'.

2.  Guido arrives in a separate vehicle at approximately the same time.

3.  A sexual assault ensues.

4.  In an attempt to escape a gang rape Natalee sustains a head injury administred by Guido.

5.  The decision is made to take Natalee to the beach where she can sleep it off and ... make her own way to the HI in time to catch her flight back home.

6.  Freddy remains at the VDS' residence.

7.  Joran, Deepak and Guildo ... enroute to the beach ... drop Satish off at home.

8.  Deepak drops off Joran, Guido and a "passed out" Natalee at the beach while he parks his vehicle a short distance away at the tennis club.

9.  However ... Guido and Joran realize that Natalee is deceased (appears deceased). 

10.  Leaving a what appears to be a deceased Natalee hidden in the mangrove bushes ... Joran and Guido run across the street to where Deepak is waiting.

11.  A panicked discussion ensues.  When it is considered that Joran, Deepak and Satish were observed leaving Carlos 'n Charlie's  ... the injury and the DNA evidence on Natalee's person could be very incriminating.

12.  Paulus is contacted.

13.  The gardener enters the picture.  He observes Joran, Deepak and Guildo in the parked vehicle.

14.  Paulus arrives and ... accesses the situation.

15.  Assistance in moving a deceased Natalee is required.  GVC and Steve Croes are contacted.

16.  Deepak and Guido leave the scene.

17.  Joran is sent home walking to create an alibi.

18.  Natalee is placed in a white beach parol pickup and driven to Lorenzo's home and ... place in his basement..

19.  On June 1, 2005 ... Junior observes Natalee being taken from a white pickup and placed in the landfill.

20.  Junior's observeration dictates that Natalee is later moved and placed in a shallow grave on the east side.

21.  A short period of time later ... Natalee is taken out to sea in Lorenzo's boat.

[bleachedblack]

hey guys  don't know how to bring photos over here from another site but hope someone else can. There are photos of Anita and Paulus playing bingo on the International school of aruba site. Same site has Jorans brother on the Ahata Beach clean up photos.

HAH Paulus has certainly toned down his gambling preference!

[klaasend]

hey guys  don't know how to bring photos over here from another site but hope someone else can. There are photos of Anita and Paulus playing bingo on the International school of aruba site. Same site has Jorans brother on the Ahata Beach clean up photos.

Paul & Anita



Valentijn

[Observer]

hey guys  don't know how to bring photos over here from another site but hope someone else can. There are photos of Anita and Paulus playing bingo on the International school of aruba site. Same site has Jorans brother on the Ahata Beach clean up photos.

HAH Paulus has certainly toned down his gambling preference!

Ahhh..It took them forever to update the pics at that site 

[Serenity]

I'm not certain,but I think Joran's youngest brother, not Val, is also in some photos,but if so he has gained a lot of weight and his hair is very long

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom wrote;

Freddy Zedan Arambatzis was detained at the same time as Deepak and Satish at the end of August.  However ... Freddy was not detained in connection with the Natalee Holloway case but ... the suspicions that led to this detainment ... suspicions that involve a camera implies to this wannabe detective that Freddy's role in the Natalee Holloway case also involved a camera.

Freddy Zedan Armbatzis was never a formal suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

I happen to think you are right. Freddy is the likely camera man, and participant at times  according to what i remember reading on his old tickle site. Infact I recall Freddy being listed as a friend on the tickle site of that old perv Maarten? Do you recall that? I know
nothing is proven about his involvement in anything....and I doubt there is other than their mutual interest in xrated photography.

bb ... the quotes from published articles and transcript is where it is at for me.

The transcripts which have saved of quotes pertaining to Freddy imply that pornographic photography is his thing.

Last night I posted what I believed was the MO of the "pimps".

I believe that the MO of Joran and the pimps was ... target a American tourist who was leaving the following day ... spike her drink with date rape durg ... take her unconscious to Joran's apartment ... gang rape her ... Freddie would be the camera man ... take her to the beach near her hotel to sleep it off.  When the girl eventually came around ... she would make her way back to her hotel with no memory of the happenings of the previous night ... pack her bags and ... catch the plan home.

Only ... this time something went terribly wrong.

[klaasend]

I'm not certain,but I think Joran's youngest brother, not Val, is also in some photos,but if so he has gained a lot of weight and his hair is very long

I just posted a pic of Val and I've seen others.  He's tall and thin.

[Serenity]

Isn't there a brother younger than Val?

[Rob]

Paul & Anita



Valentijn

sasquatch arms and the pen in the right hand - his dominant hand - just like his drinks and clearly visible in the casino videos.

[ala_gunslinger]

Tamikosmom wrote;

Freddy Zedan Arambatzis was detained at the same time as Deepak and Satish at the end of August.  However ... Freddy was not detained in connection with the Natalee Holloway case but ... the suspicions that led to this detainment ... suspicions that involve a camera implies to this wannabe detective that Freddy's role in the Natalee Holloway case also involved a camera.

Freddy Zedan Armbatzis was never a formal suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

I happen to think you are right. Freddy is the likely camera man, and participant at times  according to what i remember reading on his old tickle site. Infact I recall Freddy being listed as a friend on the tickle site of that old perv Maarten? Do you recall that? I know
nothing is proven about his involvement in anything....and I doubt there is other than their mutual interest in xrated photography.

bb ... the quotes from published articles and transcript is where it is at for me.

The transcripts which have saved of quotes pertaining to Freddy imply that pornographic photography is his thing.

Last night I posted what I believed was the MO of the "pimps".

I believe that the MO of Joran and the pimps was ... target a American tourist who was leaving the following day ... spike her drink with date rape durg ... take her unconscious to Joran's apartment ... gang rape her ... Freddie would be the camera man ... take her to the beach near her hotel to sleep it off.  When the girl eventually came around ... she would make her way back to her hotel with no memory of the happenings of the previous night ... pack her bags and ... catch the plan home.

Only ... this time something went terribly wrong.

Well yeah!  She puked up the date rape drug, found a phone, called her friend, and left a msg.  When she was caught, joran, well joran did what joran does.  it went ballistic.

[Observer]

Isn't there a brother younger than Val?

Sebastian is only 12 years old. I think he was in Holland with Anita when this all happened.IMO

[Serenity]

You are so right Rob!!

[Rob]

Those Sloots just roll through life like nothing happened..

and

Anita looks like total shit. Good Lord. Jenny Craig!!! HELP!!

[martini]

Good Night Monkeys~