Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 - 2/24/08

[klaasend]

Isn't there a brother younger than Val?

Yes, Sebastian and he was always a bit chubbier

[Serenity]

The heavyset boy in some of the photos sure looks like he could be his brother

[klaasend]

The heavyset boy in some of the photos sure looks like he could be his brother

I'll take a closer look

[bleachedblack]

Tamikosmom wrote;

Freddy Zedan Arambatzis was detained at the same time as Deepak and Satish at the end of August.  However ... Freddy was not detained in connection with the Natalee Holloway case but ... the suspicions that led to this detainment ... suspicions that involve a camera implies to this wannabe detective that Freddy's role in the Natalee Holloway case also involved a camera.

Freddy Zedan Armbatzis was never a formal suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

I happen to think you are right. Freddy is the likely camera man, and participant at times  according to what i remember reading on his old tickle site. Infact I recall Freddy being listed as a friend on the tickle site of that old perv Maarten? Do you recall that? I know
nothing is proven about his involvement in anything....and I doubt there is other than their mutual interest in xrated photography.

bb ... the quotes from published articles and transcript is where it is at for me.

The transcripts which have saved of quotes pertaining to Freddy imply that pornographic photography is his thing.

Last night I posted what I believed was the MO of the "pimps".

I believe that the MO of Joran and the pimps was ... target a American tourist who was leaving the following day ... spike her drink with date rape durg ... take her unconscious to Joran's apartment ... gang rape her ... Freddie would be the camera man ... take her to the beach near her hotel to sleep it off.  When the girl eventually came around ... she would make her way back to her hotel with no memory of the happenings of the previous night ... pack her bags and ... catch the plan home.

Only ... this time something went terribly wrong.

I knooooow. Janet bless you and your transcripts you are a wonder!

[klaasend]

The heavyset boy in some of the photos sure looks like he could be his brother

In which group of pictures are you seeing him in?

[Rob]

Those Sloots just roll through life like nothing happened..

and

Anita looks like total shit. Good Lord. Jenny Craig!!! HELP!!

Jenny Jones, Jerry Jones, Jim Jones, anyone - HELP 

[San]

Tamikosmom wrote;

Freddy Zedan Arambatzis was detained at the same time as Deepak and Satish at the end of August.  However ... Freddy was not detained in connection with the Natalee Holloway case but ... the suspicions that led to this detainment ... suspicions that involve a camera implies to this wannabe detective that Freddy's role in the Natalee Holloway case also involved a camera.

Freddy Zedan Armbatzis was never a formal suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

I happen to think you are right. Freddy is the likely camera man, and participant at times  according to what i remember reading on his old tickle site. Infact I recall Freddy being listed as a friend on the tickle site of that old perv Maarten? Do you recall that? I know
nothing is proven about his involvement in anything....and I doubt there is other than their mutual interest in xrated photography.

bb ... the quotes from published articles and transcript is where it is at for me.

The transcripts which have saved of quotes pertaining to Freddy imply that pornographic photography is his thing.

Last night I posted what I believed was the MO of the "pimps".

I believe that the MO of Joran and the pimps was ... target a American tourist who was leaving the following day ... spike her drink with date rape durg ... take her unconscious to Joran's apartment ... gang rape her ... Freddie would be the camera man ... take her to the beach near her hotel to sleep it off.  When the girl eventually came around ... she would make her way back to her hotel with no memory of the happenings of the previous night ... pack her bags and ... catch the plan home.

Only ... this time something went terribly wrong.

Well yeah!  She puked up the date rape drug, found a phone, called her friend, and left a msg.  When she was caught, joran, well joran did what joran does.  it went ballistic.

This is exactly what I think happened.

[San]

Good Night Monkeys~

Goodnight Martini.

[Serenity]

I was looking in the honor roll group. There are more of Val in the ahata clean uo. He must be quite the ladies man.

[Rob]

[San]

 

[Bladerunner]

Dateline preview transcripts are up:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/

[Rob]

Hey Chicago_510

[Tamikosmom]

VALENTIJN AND SEBASTIAN VAN DER SLOOT

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

I woke up Valentijn and Sebastian and I also said to Joran that he
had to go to school even though he wasn't in the mood to go.


Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 30th in the hours of the morning, I did not notice anything different/out of the ordinary with Joran. According to me he got onto the bus of the I.S.A. with his brothers Sebastian and Valentijn just like he always does. I am not absolutely sure about that because I didn't notice it and because Joran didn't have to be at school every day during that period. He was busy with his final exams and sometimes he stayed home.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they took the bus every day.


Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

At some point during the night I was awoken by the barking of the dogs. My son Valentijn came to me and asked me what was happening. There were a lot of people at the door and there was also a police-patrol.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question how it then is possible that I had not seen Joran
get onto the bus, I can state the following. Of course I see the children get onto the bus and that also is true for Joran. But unlike Valentijn and Sebastian who went with the bus everyday Joran didn't go with the bus once or twice during that period.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 25, 2005

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. In my view I even grumbled (expressed concern) on Joran and then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother.


Anita van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ...

[Bladerunner]

From the transcript:

"But Tim Miller says that very day, in October, 2005, there was a turning point.

The deputy police chief saw Miller and Dave Holloway and shared a hunch.

Tim Miller: And said, "There's no need for you all to be searching the landfill anymore." He said, "I think you all need to be out in the sea, three to five miles."
Soon, there was another tip -- one that seemed to add credibility to that theory. On the night Natalee disappeared, Miller learned that there had been a break-in at a fisherman's hut on the beach. Among the missing items --- a metal and wire box --- a fish trap. "

Who was the deputy police chief.

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Monkeys~

 

martini ... that is exactly how I feel.  However ... dinner at friends and a ... night of boards games (4 couples) is where it is at.  I don't feel like it but ... hubby has threatened to pull all the connecting plugs of my computer if I do not turn it off and ... get ready.

 

Hey ... once I get going ...

Good Night Monkeys

Janet

[Bladerunner]

Some more:

"Beth Holloway:

The facts are within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance, a lead detective asked me if she had a history of epilepsy or seizures. Two and a half years later, the main suspect himself, admits that Natalee -- he felt as if she suffered an epilepsy or seizure. And he even indicates how she's shaking. So, if we look at just that one-- just that one piece, that's one thread out of a lot. Then, I have to say yes, there definitely was some collusion and corruption going on in the early days of Natalee's disappearance. Absolutely.

However, according to the prosecutor's office it's standard procedure to ask if a missing person might have a seizure disorder.

Police and prosecution officials declined on-camera interviews, but have consistently denied that there was any corruption, collusion or mishandling of the investigation.

The director of Aruba's hotel and tourism association says everyone wishes the Holloway case had been treated more urgently in the first 48 hours, but that police wrongdoing was certainly not an issue."

[Tamikosmom]

As I am going out tonight ... the VCR is all set to record Dateline.  However ... the link which Blade provided has the entire transcript already posted.  At least I think it is the entire transcript.

 

Thanks Blade.

Janet
6:00 PM

+++++++++++

February 22, 2008

The search for Natalee Holloway
It's the story you haven't heard: the tale of two parents who, even now, will go anywhere -- and endure anything -- to find answers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/2/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/3/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/6/

[Rob]

Bladerunner - thanks for that.

I wish I could say "unbelievable", but after the last 32 months, nothing surprises me anymore.

[Bladerunner]

As I am going out tonight ... the VCR is all set to record Dateline.  However ... the link which Blade provided has the entire transcript already posted.  At least I think it is the entire transcript.

 

Thanks Blade.

Janet
6:00 PM

+++++++++++

February 22, 2008

The search for Natalee Holloway
It's the story you haven't heard: the tale of two parents who, even now, will go anywhere -- and endure anything -- to find answers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/2/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/3/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/6/

I can't hold a candle to your transcript linking skills!! 

Thanks!!