Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 - 2/24/08

[klaasend]

Klaasend:

Here you can send and message via Setar MAS Network.

http://www.setar.aw/mas.php

What are you telling me?  That Deepak or Joran could send a message to their computer via PDA or Cell?

Yes, all the kids are doing it. When you receive the message, the sender ID will be 11111 and that means it came from the computer.
all message is also recorded as a call on your phone records. computer call.

Could they do this back in 2005 as well?

The service was implemented in 2003.

this service is also in colombia via comcel.

you will get 7 messages to send per IP then you reboot and get a new IP and get another 7.

and your phone will receive the messages.

Interresting.  So JK2 and anyone else involved had several ways to communicate that night.

[Peaches]

Way past my bedtime here.  Dateline was fabulous.  It will be interesting to see their viewership numbers....

[klaasend]

Nite Peaches

[Finbar]

Re: chatting a lot to make it seem believable.

I think the use of WiFi by J2K should be seriously factored into the timeline.

2K HAD to know of WiFi through their Internet Cafe. I think their Cafe is a WiFi hotspot. Buki de Telefoon Aruba lists them.

One can use WiFi via a cell phone to call one's home computer. They could send text messages to the home computer via cell phone. That would make it appear that 2K were at home when they were not.

The gardener saw J2K when they were supposed to be home. How can this be? ALE discounted the gardener's statement due to the chats that occurred "at home".

I think ALE are either ignorant or this collision of facts left them with an open door to let J2K free, by turning a blind eye.

It is also interesting that 2K manipulated their computer's clock.

Fin

I agree!  Not just wifi cellphone but laptops as well.  If you go through these documents just filed in the Dr. Phil case it appears Deepak and Satish did have wifi available to them:

Latest from McGraw/Kalpoe posted 02/22/08

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/021408D_MTDismiss.pdf


http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/021508P_DKCompelResp.pdf


http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/021508P_SKCompelResp.pdf

Klaas,

TY.

I did not get this from these documents. I figured this out several years ago. At another place.


I just read stuff and sometimes the light bulb...lights. Sometimes it does not. Sometimes it worries about penguins.


Yes, cell phone to text message home computer. How can three little piggys be two, two places at once? Breaks the laws of QED it does! (It was really three places at once) Houdini could not get out of that one!

Fin

[LilPuma]

All I can say after watching the Dateline piece is this....



I STAND WITH THE GIRL      I STAND WITH THE GIRL    I STAND WITH THE GIRL    


I will be here as long as it takes to find justice for Natalee!!!!

I see all of you posting this and as I read and lurked tonight, this reminded me of Hands Across America.  Could we do a cyber Hands Around the World thing for Natalee?  Maybe a thread where people say where they are from and that they "stand with the girl".  See how many countries and states we can link by monkey location.  Like KarmaRoundup reaches from Michigan to Miss-Underestimated, who reaches out to me and I hold hands with Old Fart who reaches out to someone in MO or KY .......  Even if people don't want to post their city, they could say upper NY State or downstate Indiana, etc.  I think it would be cool to get as many monkey hands together from Australia to Netherlands, Aruba, Canada and as many US states as we can get.  Just a thought. 

NBC did a good job! 

Night Monkeys. 

[CapsLockWizard]

The other is using an MSN chat bot.

I have my own bot and you can chat with it an every one thinks it is real you.

if you use MSN messenger, you can creat your own chat bot

if you like to try one to see how it work at this in your MSN or Yahoo chat.

smarterchild@hotmail.com

[Tamikosmom]

Post 448 in this thread was made just in case the links break in the future.

Not only for ease of reading for all of us, but especially for Janet, our resident Monkey who has data recall unlike anything I've ever seen.
Janet,  I greatly appreciate all you do and I'm certain I'm not the only one.

 

Thank you Miss Scarlet.

I have copied your post and pasted it into a file for safe keeping in a desktop file.

I just got in from a very enjoyable evening out and ... I am about to watch a recorded Dateline in a few minutes.

Janet

11:10 PM

[Frank]

What was that asswipe from Ahata's name, the POS who spoke before Tacopina?

The American puppet recited the dollars Aruba has spent, defending the police force.

Does anyone remember his name?

[hotping]

What was that asswipe from Ahata's name, the POS who spoke before Tacopina?

The American puppet recited the dollars Aruba has spent, defending the police force.

Does anyone remember his name?

Rob Smith...See pgs 25-27 this thread....

[billb's daughter]

I just finished watching the Dateline segment and was surprised about the Persistence discovery in Dec, plus the part about Marco. It hurts me that Beth, Dave , family has to continue to suffer because of the initial lies/corruption implemented by J2K and especially Paulus! May they all rot in hell. I'm concerned that although the segment touched a little on corruption, it mostly centered on the ongoing efforts to find Natalee. While that is commendable (Tim Miller IS a national HERO, along with the Persistence crew) I think it is time to take off the white gloves and focus specifically on the corruption/cover up by Aruba authorities and Paulus. Names need to be mentioned!! Rudy, KJ, Jan VDS,  Dennis J, all the spokespersons, Anita, PVDS, and maybe Mos. What has Mos done? Is he for real, or just another cover up? It is so frustrating to know what all you great Monkeys know, and balance that against the best way to inform the American public! We need the state department to get involved, and put pressure on the NL and Aruba to bring Natalee back and  clean up the corruption! The authorities in Aruba and the NL's need to be held accountable.....

[billb's daughter]

I just finished watching the Dateline segment and was surprised about the Persistence discovery in Dec, plus the part about Marco. It hurts me that Beth, Dave , family has to continue to suffer because of the initial lies/corruption implemented by J2K and especially Paulus! May they all rot in hell. I'm concerned that although the segment touched a little on corruption, it mostly centered on the ongoing efforts to find Natalee. While that is commendable (Tim Miller IS a national HERO, along with the Persistence crew) I think it is time to take off the white gloves and focus specifically on the corruption/cover up by Aruba authorities and Paulus. Names need to be mentioned!! Rudy, KJ, Jan VDS,  Dennis J, all the spokespersons, Anita, PVDS, and maybe Mos. What has Mos done? Is he for real, or just another cover up? It is so frustrating to know what all you great Monkeys know, and balance that against the best way to inform the American public! We need the state department to get involved, and put pressure on the NL and Aruba to bring Natalee back and  clean up the corruption! The authorities in Aruba and the NL's need to be held accountable.....

And why in the heck did Dateline have Joe Tacopinis on
?? WTF was that? The focus needs to be directly on the coverup!!!

[Finbar]

Since somebody posted the link, I decided to browse the Kalpoe lawsuit.  Funny that one of documents demanded is "Deepak Kalpoe's criminal file that resides with his "former attorney" Rudy Oomen".

That doesn't sound like a juvie record to me.

Wonder what he did.

Perhaps that accounts somewhat for his current vocation as a clerk.

Did you also note that one of his computers and cellphones had wifi blue tooth?

And why do these two hooligans have four cellphones between them?  One each isn't enough?  And they pay for these four cellphones how?  With their good looks? 

Peaches,

Where do you see that they have FOUR cell phones?

Interesting.

Who owns the fourth phone? PVDS? The phone just recently found?

Maybe...they used PVDS's phone.

Maybe...PVDS...was there.

Fin

[sirensong]

Yes, either Paulus was there, or he was called.  That's when he told them to create alibi's which they promptly did using the phones to make it look like they were home.  Paulus  has  no alibi.  This is what Shango was refering to about Paulus getting the call at 2AM, and his picking Joran and Nat up at 4AM.   Fits the  computer time line they were trying to create.

[Finbar]

Klaasend:

Here you can send and message via Setar MAS Network.

http://www.setar.aw/mas.php

What are you telling me?  That Deepak or Joran could send a message to their computer via PDA or Cell?

Yes, all the kids are doing it. When you receive the message, the sender ID will be 11111 and that means it came from the computer.
all message is also recorded as a call on your phone records. computer call.

Could they do this back in 2005 as well?

Klaas,

Bingo!

Page 24 Buki di Telefoon Aruba 2005.

"enternos - mobile internet chat

Topa bo friendsnan
conose mas hende y
have fun riba
entrenos

E ta super fasil,

bo mester tin djies bo celular
di SETAR of un PRIMO

Join un zone y chat
al instante cu 40 persona

for di bo celular

For di bo computer
www.entrenos.aw

Manda chat commandos pa 252
.reg(nickname) - registra
.jn (zone) - join un zone
.cz (zone) - create zone
.lz - lista di tur zone
.lu - lista di tur persona den zone
.off - stop di ricibi mensahe

Pa mas informacion bishita nos website
www.entrenos.aw "

Picture of a Samsung cell phone with text messages on the screen.
Setar ad.

==========
Page 32 Buki di Telefoon Aruba 2005
"With WiFi Aruba powered by SETAR,
you can grab a high-speed wireless
internet connection on your WiFi-enabled Laptop
or PDA at any SETAR Hotspot location.

Away from home...or the office?
How to connect?
1. SSID wifiaruba
2. WEP Encryption: off
3. TCP/IP Settings for your wireless card or device:
    a. "Obtain an IP Automatically"
    b. "Obtain DNS Server Address Automatically"

Once the settings are set, you only have to follow steps 4 till 8 for a next login o the Wi-Fi Aruba network.
4. Go to one of the SETAR's HotSpot location.
5. Open your web browser. Any web browser will work with Wi-Fi Aruba.
6. On the welcome page, select the payment option (Pre-paid card or Credit card).
7. The HotSpot location web page will open at this point.
8. Once you are logged in, you will be able to browse the internet, check your email, or use any other Internet application that you normally use at home.

You can access the Wi-Fi Aruba service using a Wi-Fi prepaid card or credit card. Prepaid cards are sold at all SETAR HotSpot locations.

Visit the Wi-Fi Aruba website at www.wifi-aruba.com to view all SETAR's HotSpot locations.

Feel free to contact Wi-Fi Aruba Helpdesk at 583-4000.
You can also contact us online at
http://www.wifi-aruba.com or email us at support@wifi-aruba.com "

============

I guess the question is - were their cell phones capable of being WiFi enabled in 2005? The first ad above seems to suggest this.

Maybe they did not use cell phones. Maybe the Polis "...are so stupid." Maybe the Polis checked the cell phone records and there as no link. Maybe because they used PDA's.

The only question left then is, why did 2K tamper with their computer's time clock?

What were they doing when the gardener spotted them?

Why was JVDS driving DK's car?

Where was DK? SK?

What time did this happen?

Maybe someone in ALE really tried to find the answer, but the conflicting information from the cell phone records made them think it was a dead end.

Maybe ALE tried to find the answer and could not figure it out. You know, new technology. Big with young people though.

Hey Kalpoe, FU!

Fin

[Finbar]

Yes, either Paulus was there, or he was called.  That's when he told them to create alibi's which they promptly did using the phones to make it look like they were home.  Paulus  has  no alibi.  This is what Shango was refering to about Paulus getting the call at 2AM, and his picking Joran and Nat up at 4AM.   Fits the  computer time line they were trying to create.

Siren

I think that is it.

JVDS calls Daury at 2:00AM.

Daury stops at ATM to purchase Wi-Fi prepaid card.

Wait a minute...prepaid WiFi card can be paid with a credit card. It states this in the Setar ad.

Would a Setar charge be drawn from his ATM automatically or whatever method is used there? Hmmm.

I would love to see the amount of Florins withdrawn....

So, what happened in the next two hours until 4 in the A of M?

Maybe Daury used his cell phone to logon to his home computer and searched for alcohol drug combinations to try and figure out what to do with Nat.

How far can one travel in two hours on Aruba?

How far in a boat?

Including time to go get boat, launch it, and be back before the sun rises on rats?

Maybe the boat ride was the next night, you know, when JVDS made certain that he "was on a casino video".

Who drove the boat then?

In the last sting video, JVDS mentions to Patrick that, "...you have to give them money. They are poor". (WTTE)

Who of JVDS's friends is poor?

Hey JVDS, FU!

Fin

[Finbar]

Can anyone tell me what is the time that the phone call from Nat on Aruba was made? Were there two calls?

"I don't even know these people."

Why would Nat not know J2K? The drugs? I do not think so.

She was somewhere that she was left. By JVDS. Maybe a rave. JVDS gets his ass kicked. Leaves Nat there.

What about the monkey noises that BHT heard? That was next door to PVDS. BHT thought that it meant that Nat was at the Daury compound.

Maybe she was not. Maybe she was at the house WITH the monkeys. Next door. Party. Old man's party. Sons drug female tourists.

"Your own father." - DK

It is quiet as Aruba in here right now.

What was that sound? Another tourist NOT going to Aruba.

GN,
Fin

[Peaches]

I just finished watching the Dateline segment and was surprised about the Persistence discovery in Dec, plus the part about Marco. It hurts me that Beth, Dave , family has to continue to suffer because of the initial lies/corruption implemented by J2K and especially Paulus! May they all rot in hell. I'm concerned that although the segment touched a little on corruption, it mostly centered on the ongoing efforts to find Natalee. While that is commendable (Tim Miller IS a national HERO, along with the Persistence crew) I think it is time to take off the white gloves and focus specifically on the corruption/cover up by Aruba authorities and Paulus. Names need to be mentioned!! Rudy, KJ, Jan VDS,  Dennis J, all the spokespersons, Anita, PVDS, and maybe Mos. What has Mos done? Is he for real, or just another cover up? It is so frustrating to know what all you great Monkeys know, and balance that against the best way to inform the American public! We need the state department to get involved, and put pressure on the NL and Aruba to bring Natalee back and  clean up the corruption! The authorities in Aruba and the NL's need to be held accountable.....

And why in the heck did Dateline have Joe Tacopinis on
?? WTF was that? The focus needs to be directly on the coverup!!!

Perhaps Taco Joe's appearance was an attempt at equal time. 
Didn't work.  Taco looked greasy and spewed his usual crap about his favorite client.  The list of people who believe his crap gets shorter every day.

[Peaches]

Finbar, I was reading the Kalpoe-McGraw lawsuit because somebody posted the link. 

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/021408D_MTDismiss.pdf

"We also know the Plaintiffs have at least two computers each, five email addresses, two cellphones each and one PDA device".

Quote is from Page three of the above link, approximately line #9. 

My question again is who is paying the bills for all these cellphones and PDA?  I know what it costs to have 3 cellphones.  Who pays the bill? 

In reading the most recent round of paper at the above link, I see we are not the only ones who want to know who is behind the Kalpoe-McGraw lawsuit.  I would love to be a paralegal for the McGraw team.  I bet that's some fascinating reading right there.  Dr. Phil's attorneys want to know who is paying the legal bills.   Come on, tell us. 

[Tylergal]

Did anybody hear about this Marcos, a drug runner, taking the body in Nicarauga????   

I think the "drug runners" killed Marcos when he was about to
tell where the body was.
 

My thoughts, too, Magnolia.  I think maybe even Tim thought that but either was not allowed to say it or did not want to say it. I just looked at his face and it said a lot.

[Tylergal]

who was that guy?  the director of tourism.  I have never seen him before have I.  Help here people.  No corruption in aruba.  And your probably right, they may have killed Marcos.

I missed his name too.  Was wondering...

Hope your trip is safe!   Take care and good luck in Boston!

Rob Smith head of AHATA,he took over for Jorge Pesquera after he took that job in Palm Beach FLA.

http://www.aruba.com/news/business/jorge-pesquera-announces-resignation-board-of-directors-appoints-rob-smith-to-lead-ahata/

Is this where you donate to the search?    I believe that was the question asked.