Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 - 2/24/08

[Peaches]

who was that guy?  the director of tourism.  I have never seen him before have I.  Help here people.  No corruption in aruba.  And your probably right, they may have killed Marcos.

I missed his name too.  Was wondering...

Hope your trip is safe!   Take care and good luck in Boston!

Rob Smith head of AHATA,he took over for Jorge Pesquera after he took that job in Palm Beach FLA.

http://www.aruba.com/news/business/jorge-pesquera-announces-resignation-board-of-directors-appoints-rob-smith-to-lead-ahata/

Is this where you donate to the search?    I believe that was the question asked.

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Middle of the page.  Look for Natalee's pretty face.

[Peaches]

Actually, if you find Natalee in the middle of the page, the link to donate is to the right. 

[Tater]

I recorded the show even though I watched it and it left me with even more disturbing thoughts.After seeing Mos and a couple of other Aruban 's on the ship watching the screen showing the trap,I couldn't help but to get a sinking feeling.Because they didn't go down immediatly and check it out,it gave time allowances for them(Arubans) to go into coverup mode.I didn't hear them say that the spot was being gaurded until they came back to go down.Couldn't the Arubans have gone out knowing the exact location and therefore made a swap of the trap? It doesn't seem to me that that would have been to difficult to pull off.They have boats and divers too..I don't know but it seems that if the so called Aruban officials are brought in,expect nothing.. Just seeing Mos on the ship gave me the heebie jeebies for sure..The bit with Marcos was a bit unsettling too seeing how there was no mention of him again except to say it was a horrible hoax..Again,more question's and no answers,none..

[sharon]

I think the "drug runners" killed Marcos when he was about to
tell where the body was.
 

My thoughts, too, Magnolia.  I think maybe even Tim thought that but either was not allowed to say it or did not want to say it. I just looked at his face and it said a lot.

My thoughts, three.

The Water.

Everytime the water is the focus....strange things begin happening.

Yet, Dave was allowed to search the landfill on Natalee's birthday   

Because they knew she wasn't there.

Everyone I know from the Caribbean says 'The Water'. When you live surrounded by water.......


Karma is coming -- and it will be a bitch. For ALL of Natalee's betrayers. Even those that pretend not to be.

I stand with the girl. And with her family.

BOYCOTT ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES
Justice for Natalee Holloway

[Rob]

Good Morning,
I made about 15 mental notes from last night's Dateline. And I think I have what CBB has...so, I'm just going to post the first thing I noticed. Casino Video Control Room.



As you can see here, every bit of the casino was covered by a camera or two or three. This reiterates the point that the ALE is protecting Paulus Van Der Sloot and refuses to release his entry and exits times. In one monitor you can see what looks like the table Natalee was sitting at.

[Tater]

On second thought...No,the trap couldn't have been swapped because of all the previous photo's they had.All the algae would be to hard to recreate so that didn't happen.Could they have removed the remains though?They did say the FBI took it so they would have DNA if she had been in there? Miller said he saw what looked liked a skull..I wish they had shown what that was..As far as Marco's goes..What makes anyone think the drug runners even knew what Marco's was doing.It seemed to be done undercover with him not even wanting his face shown on camera.I hadn't even heard of a Marco's in the story until last night.I think that is why Miller and Dave said,"Hoax"..Round and round we go...

[WhiskeyGirl]

Who decided what kind of questions would be asked of any cell phone or computer data?

Who decided the parameters of the examination?

It has been my experience that young people adapt readily to technology.  It may look useless to me, but young people seem adapt.  It's like a young child in the store that has to touch and look at everything.  By the time they are older, they still pick things up and examine them, but the breakage is less.

Who understands how technology really works?  I'm sure there was someone who understood how all those gadgets worked, but when did people start asking them for help in solving crimes?

[sharon]

Good Morning,
I made about 15 mental notes from last night's Dateline. And I think I have what CBB has...so, I'm just going to post the first thing I noticed. Casino Video Control Room.



As you can see here, every bit of the casino was covered by a camera or two or three. This reiterates the point that the ALE is protecting Paulus Van Der Sloot and refuses to release his entry and exits times. In one monitor you can see what looks like the table Natalee was sitting at.

Rob -- feel better! (try chicken soup  )

Rob -- I have a bit of experience with casinos (from the cruise ships) and I can assure you -- at least on a cruise ship -- every bit of the casino (as well as entrances/exits) is covered by surveillance. 

[Rob]

Kyle Kingman's NHolloway.blogspot.com

Wed 26-Dec -0320 hrs
The sonar search is progressing smoothly and the end is within sight. The ROV team has flown into Aruba and will reunite with the Persistence tomorrow. Below is a 3-D perspective view (looking west) of the bathymetric portion of the search on the NW side of Aruba. The contour interval is 25ft, showing water depth ranging from about 60 ft to almost 900 ft. The search area with bathymetry shown below is 22 square miles (the size of Manhattan).

Tues 25-Dec 1400 hrs

From Tim Miller (TES):
I want to personally thank the entire crew of the Persistence for their dedication and sacrifice they have given for the search for Natalee Holloway. Let us keep Dave, Beth, and all who knew and loved Natalee in our thoughts and prayers.
Every day I believe we are more and more optimistic that we will bring Natalee home to Alabama. We have just finished Christmas dinner on the boat and it's now time to go back to work -God be with us in our efforts.
Laura...I Love and miss you. Your death wasn't in vain.

Merry Christmas to All,
Tim Miller
Texas Equusearch

Tues 25-Dec 0140 hrs
To the family and loved ones of the search team and crew of the Persistence:
Words can not express our longing to be with our families over Christmas and the void we all feel. The contact we receive from loved ones through phone calls and emails does provide a diminutive sense of normalcy and solace. We take comfort in knowing life goes on back home in our absence and that this project will eventually come to an end, returning us safely to our families. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your continuous prayers, love, and support throughout this project. Loved ones are always on our minds which helps us maintain an unwavering focus and determination to complete this project with success, knowing that in success we shall return.

From the search team and crew of the Persistence to all:
Thank you dearly for your love, support, and prayers both for the search effort and the Holloway family. We hope that during this Christmas season you will stand witness and understand the true Christmas story which has been told and retold in varies forms throughout history. True love never fails and gracefully proves itself strong through sacrifice. We consider ourselves honored to use our God-given gifts and resources to this cause. From all of us, have a wonderful, safe, and merry Christmas.

The search is amidst perhaps the most difficult phase. The excitement and energy of the beginning has waned, yet the end is still on the horizon. We will persevere and give this wonderful vessel reason for it's namesake.

Mon 24-Dec- 1452 hrs
After reaching the dock at 0600 hrs, the Persistence rests as her crew perform some routine maintenance and make a supply run. There is no obvious outward adornment that it is Christmas Eve, save a single strand of colored lights hung around the galley ceiling. Inwardly, everyone is filled with the true Christmas spirit. Almost routine now, the gear is in the water scanning away. Inch by inch, mile by mile we are progressing nicely.

Mon 24-Dec- 0045 hrs
The side scan sonar and magnetometer search quietly continues on through the night. Rain begins to fall on the Persistence.

Sun 23-Dec- 1452 hrs
Agitated by stiff trade winds, white caps blur the boundary between sea and sky today. Below the daily skirmish over wind and water's supremacy of the horizon, the search quietly continues in the crushing Aruban depths. Yesterday, we devoted some time testing the magnetometer and side scan sonar sensors over local construction materials likely used in constructing a wire trap. This test provided valuable information, both confirming that the construction materials alone can be detected and what kind of signatures to expect from the materials when on the seabed. In light of the test, we have renewed focus and zeal on our goal, to find Natalee Holloway.

Sun. 23-Dec -0130 hrs
The seas are calm and the moon is brilliant on the last survey line of the night. Murphy's Law always applies offshore. Midway through the survey line, the boat suddenly veers off course to avoid a small ~16ft wooden fishing boat anchored near the line. We hold our breath and bring in the sonar and magnetometer as fast as the winches allow. On the telemetry screens, both sensors suddenly go crazy. We caught the anchor line of the fishing boat with the sonar and magnetometer. The Persistence immediately comes all-stop as we cautiously bring in the gear. Fortunately for us and the fishermen, our reaction time was swift. We didn't give the fishermen much of a ride and no one was hurt. After a careful inspection, we determined that miraculously none of the gear was even slightly damaged in the collision. After the encounter was over, we thanked the fishermen for their patience and the small wooden fishing boat and Persistence went their separate ways into the moonlit night.

[Peaches]

Nice grab, Rob.  We always knew there was more video than just what we've seen.  And you know there are/were better shots of PVDS sitting at the same table as Natalee. 

In robots absence and honor, I hate them all.

[Rob]

Thank you Sharon...

[Blonde]

I think it's him

[Peaches]

So now having read the latest Kalpoe-McGraw legal papers, I believe the judge is running outta patience with the Kalpoes and their counsel.  Sounds like he's tried to be reasonable but is quite aware that Plaintiffs are thumbing their nose at the system by not complying with the court ordered production of documents. 

Now what are the Kalpoes going to do when the judge has indeed had enough and dismisses the case?  Who is going to pay those legal bills then?  Or is someone going to be doing that hand in the pocket dance on the front page of the paper.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/kalpoemcgraw/021408D_MTDismiss.pdf

[Peaches]

I think it's him

Are we talking about Geoffrey?

[sharon]

I think it's him

I agree, Blonde.

Do you have the date of that video? (sorry if it's obvious, I will go back and look)

I still think of the lucky American girl who got away from GVC the night of June 9th? -- when he got the sudden phone call and had to leave -- ( I think this may have been right b4 j2k got arrested?)

They had been sitting on the beach -- and GVC thought he saw 'men dressed in black' -- when he got the call.

I can't help thinking that the phone call saved that young American girl from 'something bad' happening.

[WhiskeyGirl]

I think it's him

I agree, Blonde.

Do you have the date of that video? (sorry if it's obvious, I will go back and look)

I still think of the lucky American girl who got away from GVC the night of June 9th? -- when he got the sudden phone call and had to leave -- ( I think this may have been right b4 j2k got arrested?)

They had been sitting on the beach -- and GVC thought he saw 'men dressed in black' -- when he got the call.

I can't help thinking that the phone call saved that young American girl from 'something bad' happening.

I had forgotten about that story.  I never considered the phone call in this light.

I wonder who is on the list of those that PVDS and JVDS feel would be embarrassed if the truth were known?

Why would anyone be embarrassed by the truth?

Is it the truth?  Or a failure to act in a certain way prescribed by law, culture, ethics, morality, or just plain common sense?  Perhaps it is embarrassment because of the way some have acted?

[Rob]

Another view of Casino Video Control Room.

[WhiskeyGirl]

GVC, do you know where your shoes are?

Did his family return to the Netherlands?  Perhaps they've joined the great Dutch migration?

[kippy]

Can anyone tell me what is the time that the phone call from Nat on Aruba was made? Were there two calls?

"I don't even know these people."

Why would Nat not know J2K? The drugs? I do not think so.

She was somewhere that she was left. By JVDS. Maybe a rave. JVDS gets his ass kicked. Leaves Nat there.

What about the monkey noises that BHT heard? That was next door to PVDS. BHT thought that it meant that Nat was at the Daury compound.

Maybe she was not. Maybe she was at the house WITH the monkeys. Next door. Party. Old man's party. Sons drug female tourists.

"Your own father." - DK

It is quiet as Aruba in here right now.

What was that sound? Another tourist NOT going to Aruba.

GN,
Fin

Fin, Could you point me in the direction of the thread referring to the phone call?  I must have missed/forgotten about that.  Thanks!

[Lala'sMom]

Yes, either Paulus was there, or he was called.  That's when he told them to create alibi's which they promptly did using the phones to make it look like they were home.  Paulus  has  no alibi.  This is what Shango was refering to about Paulus getting the call at 2AM, and his picking Joran and Nat up at 4AM.   Fits the  computer time line they were trying to create.

Simian is the one the mentions the 2 AM phone call...not Shango. Easy to confuse,I know, but the 4 AM pick up is part of a court document...neither Shango or Simian mentions that one.  Just trying to keep things straight.  It's also important to remember that Shango spent a great deal of his riddles deflecting the blame away from Joran.  Keep that in mind when you read...it was anything but Joran with him/her.  Shango agreed something serious happened..but it wasn't Joran's fault...more along the line of she died and Joran was left to clean up the mess.  He also plays down the Kalpo involvement...sounds familiar, doesn't it??