Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 - 2/24/08

[sharon]

I think it's him

I agree, Blonde.

Do you have the date of that video? (sorry if it's obvious, I will go back and look)

I still think of the lucky American girl who got away from GVC the night of June 9th? -- when he got the sudden phone call and had to leave -- ( I think this may have been right b4 j2k got arrested?)

They had been sitting on the beach -- and GVC thought he saw 'men dressed in black' -- when he got the call.

I can't help thinking that the phone call saved that young American girl from 'something bad' happening.

I had forgotten about that story.  I never considered the phone call in this light.

I wonder who is on the list of those that PVDS and JVDS feel would be embarrassed if the truth were known?

Why would anyone be embarrassed by the truth?

Is it the truth?  Or a failure to act in a certain way prescribed by law, culture, ethics, morality, or just plain common sense?  Perhaps it is embarrassment because of the way some have acted?

Good morning Whiskeygirl.

I've been here since the very beginning -- and have probably forgotten more than I remember

But my mind seems to be intrigued by many of the comments made early on  -- or comments made innocently (like Bailey Ann and GVC's 'date') -- that just seem to fall off the radar.

I forget who posted it yesterday (sorry) - but the comments we heard early on that Freddie spent the night at Joran's? And then -- nevermore? An alibi? An outright lie? The truth?

The shoe with blood on it in Joran's closet --that morphed into a pair of sneakers (possibly boots, too) that apparently have magical growing and shrinking properties.

For some reason -- my mind won't let those go I guess I am too logical and my brain has no way to process and file away

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[CapsLockWizard]

Klaasend I got it.


Let compare the time that Paules said he went to the ATM. I have seen the time posted before but can remember where.

Now lets look at the Text messages time of post. and lets see if they Match.

anyone have these times.

[CapsLockWizard]

There were 2 visit to the ATM and there were 2 text messages.

[WhiskeyGirl]

The Sad Legacy of Natalie Holloway
by Ezriela Devereux
February 23rd, 2008 @ 08:37 AM
[snip]
Seasoned "mac daddies" like Joran van der Sloot, were probably considerably experienced with zooming in on gullible young female tourists and taking advantage of them. Presumably, a tipsy Holloway left the Carlos 'n Charlie's bar with him and the Kalpoe brothers at 1:30 a.m. on May 30th and has never been seen again since.

After Natalie was officially reported missing, the authorities in Aruba began the first of a series of "investigations."

Two hotel security guards were initially arrested for kidnapping and suspicion of homicide, then released. Days later van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested under the same charges and have subsequently been released and re-arrested on several occasions. Without any concrete proof of guilt, however, due to the fact that Holloway's body has not been found and there have been no witnesses to a crime being committed, the case was officially "closed" by the Aruban government in 2007, for lack of evidence, despite the protests of her parents.

In spite of all the publicity, massive search efforts and even a recent secretly taped "confession" by Joran van der Sloot, this case seems fated to be an "unsolved mystery" that may never be resolved.

Unfortunately, missing young women are not a rarity in these times, but could this situation have been avoided?

One can't help but wonder if the decision to take a gaggle of immature 18-year-olds to a place where there were fewer social limitations was the wisest thing to do. Could the chaperons have been more aggressively involved in monitoring these kids? Should these young folks, at least, have been schooled beforehand on how to take safety measures and how to look out for each other? Did Aruban and Dutch officials completely botch the investigation?
[snip]

http://www.informativepost.com/2008/02/23/The-Sad-Legacy-of-Natalie-Holloway-372.htm

I've never heard the expression "mac daddies" before.

[Lala'sMom]

Klaasend I got it.


Let compare the time that Paules said he went to the ATM. I have seen the time posted before but can remember where.

Now lets look at the Text messages time of post. and lets see if they Match.

anyone have these times.

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I don't think Paulus ever says he went to an ATM that night.  His bank trips were during the day and yes, there was two of them...according to Paulus.

[Blonde]

There were 2 visit to the ATM and there were 2 text messages.

3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?

[sharon]

Me neither.


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[klaasend]

Klaasend I got it.


Let compare the time that Paules said he went to the ATM. I have seen the time posted before but can remember where.

Now lets look at the Text messages time of post. and lets see if they Match.

anyone have these times.

Computer records:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=196.0


Cell phone record - only Joran's phone:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=191.0

[Blonde]

There were 2 visit to the ATM and there were 2 text messages.

3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?

3:45 am..........?Someone makes 2nd withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM?

[CapsLockWizard]

There were 2 visit to the ATM and there were 2 text messages.

3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?

Yes and the other one I believe was 3:45...yes yes.

[Lala'sMom]

Dennis Jacobs knew exactly what had happened to Natalee before Beth had arrived at the police station.  He was buying time to get the story straight with the shave and corn flakes comment.  It was two hours later that he came back and said he didn't need to talk to Beth.  WHY???  Because he had already found out what happened by then and was either told by his superiors or made his own decision to keep this under wraps.  Joran or the Kalpoes had already mentioned the shaking and seizures...remember in Beth's book, Loving Natalee, she saw the Kalpoes car there at the police station when she arrived. Remember van der Straten was there too watching it all...Paulus had already set the "singing cards" into motion and was inserting his dirty hands into the mix.  The cover up began in earnest with the ALE higher ups the day Beth walked into the police station thinking she would receive help.

[CapsLockWizard]

The text message that says "Swua...... I am home" or something like that...it was posted before, I think it was Colombo that post it.

[Lala'sMom]

Do we have the records from the ATM?  I don't think I have ever seen evidence that he was anywhere except the McDonald's at 4 AM.  I want to see this in writing, please.  I hope it can be proven...I have waited to see those exact records for a long time.  Anyone?  Where are we getting this? Did I miss another memo?   

[cubbeegirl]

Dennis Jacobs knew exactly what had happened to Natalee before Beth had arrived at the police station.  He was buying time to get the story straight with the shave and corn flakes comment.  It was two hours later that he came back and said he didn't need to talk to Beth.  WHY???  Because he had already found out what happened by then and was either told by his superiors or made his own decision to keep this under wraps.  Joran or the Kalpoes had already mentioned the shaking and seizures...remember in Beth's book, Loving Natalee, she saw the Kalpoes car there at the police station when she arrived. Remember van der Straten was there too watching it all...Paulus had already set the "singing cards" into motion and was inserting his dirty hands into the mix.  The cover up began in earnest with the ALE higher ups the day Beth walked into the police station thinking she would receive help.

Yep... cause they sure as hell did not count on Beth and Co. showing up and having to deal with her.They did not expect for Beth to show up demanding answers.Thought their word would just be accepted and Beth would quietly go away....Guess what Aruba? We are still here and we want answers and justice.....

[Blonde]

The text message that says "Swua...... I am home" or something like that...it was posted before, I think it was Colombo that post it.

Timeline from computer
From SHIZARU - Electronic Timeline

Electronic record timeline for May 30:

Joran calls Deepak.

3.07 am: Val on computer

3:15 am: Joran sends Deepak text messge from his cell phone. Message says: Hey Swa I am home now, I will see you tomorrow (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

?? am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: OK (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Are you there?

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Anyways nice to hear you are home I will talk to you tomorrow I am going to bed

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Take care

3:33 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: Hey swa

3:35 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: topa/loca pimp heehehe

3:35 am: Joran visits hotmail

3:40-3:45 am: Joran visits four soccer-related sites

3:46 am: Joran visits porn site

3:56 pm: Joran vists porn site, downloads two porn movies

4:30 am: Joran visits hotmail

5:50 am: Something about Anita and outlook express/e-mail

7:02 am: Paulus visits hotmail

7:34-7:37 pm: Paulus vists several stock-related sites

7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs". Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office. The sites are visited only briefly.

9:18 pm: VDS computer infected with virus

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[CapsLockWizard]

Do we have the records from the ATM?  I don't think I have ever seen evidence that he was anywhere except the McDonald's at 4 AM.  I want to see this in writing, please.  I hope it can be proven...I have waited to see those exact records for a long time.  Anyone?  Where are we getting this? Did I miss another memo?   

LALA, I believe it was Colombo that posted the Text Messages in Shango I think. it was recently. and theye were in time sequance.

[cubbeegirl]

Do we have the records from the ATM?  I don't think I have ever seen evidence that he was anywhere except the McDonald's at 4 AM.  I want to see this in writing, please.  I hope it can be proven...I have waited to see those exact records for a long time.  Anyone?  Where are we getting this? Did I miss another memo?   

If you missed the memo Lala's I missed it too... It must have gotten lost along with the memo about the phone calls that Natalee supposedly made that night.... I thought that had been cleared up and there were no phone calls made by Natalee...did I miss something while I was away???

[CapsLockWizard]

The text message that says "Swua...... I am home" or something like that...it was posted before, I think it was Colombo that post it.

Timeline from computer
From SHIZARU - Electronic Timeline

Electronic record timeline for May 30:

Joran calls Deepak.

3.07 am: Val on computer

3:15 am: Joran sends Deepak text messge from his cell phone. Message says: Hey Swa I am home now, I will see you tomorrow (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

?? am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: OK (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Are you there?

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Anyways nice to hear you are home I will talk to you tomorrow I am going to bed

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Take care

3:33 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: Hey swa

3:35 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: topa/loca pimp heehehe

3:35 am: Joran visits hotmail

3:40-3:45 am: Joran visits four soccer-related sites

3:46 am: Joran visits porn site

3:56 pm: Joran vists porn site, downloads two porn movies

4:30 am: Joran visits hotmail

5:50 am: Something about Anita and outlook express/e-mail

7:02 am: Paulus visits hotmail

7:34-7:37 pm: Paulus vists several stock-related sites

7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs". Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office. The sites are visited only briefly.

9:18 pm: VDS computer infected with virus

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in here is the answer

[Blonde]

I have NO link saved of where I got this I'm not sure if it's right
Monday, May 30
12:15 am?.......Deepak, Satish & Joran arrive Carlos’nCharlies’
........................MB kids surprised to see Joran because he’d said @ casino Sunday nites slow & no one goes out
12:45 am.........Joran in another scuffle with MBHS kids outside Carlos’nCharlies’
........................Natalee & other MBHS kids believe Joran van der Sloot is a Dutch tourist visiting Aruba
........................Some locals later tell MBHS kids Joran van der Sloot is a local drug dealer
1:00 am...........Carlos’nCharlie’s closes, everyone starts leaving
1:30 am...........Joran walks next to Natalee outside Carlos’nCharlie’s, but two are not touching
........................MB kids say Natalee does not appear to be drunk & is walking OK
........................Natalee tells MB friends she’s going back to Holiday Inn with another group of MB kids
........................Natalee points to MB kids she’s going with, Kalpoe brothers & Deepak’s car nowhere in sight
........................MB kids see Natalee & Joran in Deepak’s car but think it’s a taxi (taxis not marked in Aruba)
........................Natalee & Joran leave Carlos’nCharlies’ in Deepak Kalpoe’s car with his brother Satish
........................MB kids go back to hotel pool and beach. Marriott beach visible. Moon at 59% illumination
1:40 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak briefly stops at a bar/restaurant a block from Carlos’nCharlies’
1:50 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak then drives away from Oranjestad to California Lighthouse
1:50 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says the brothers drop off Natalee & Joran (@ Marriott?)
2:00 am...........Mickey John says Deepak told him in jail that he & Satish went home and got on the computer
2:00 am...........Person sees Kalpoe brothers in Deepak’s car driving toward Montanja where van der Sloots live
2-3:00 am........Kalpoe’s neighbor sees brothers at home washing Deepak’s car
2:30 am...........Geraldo says Joran van der Sloot calls Deepak Kalpoe and asks for a ride
2:40 am...........Satish Kalpoe’s lawyer David **** says cellphone records show Joran called Deepak
........................Lawyer says Deepak told him Joran said he was walking home & left Natalee on beach
........................Mickey says Deepak told him Joran said he would go online in hour and tell him what happened
3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?
3:00 am?.........Someone who sounds like Natalee leaves garbled message on cellphone voicemail of MB guy
....................... MB guy’s cell (his, not rented) is only MB cell which can make/receive calls locally in Aruba
........................Message on his voicemail is along the lines of “I don't know these people”
3:00 am...........?Natalee also leaves message on Twittys answering machine in MB calling from a cellphone?
........................Beth Twitty in Arkansas @ time. Where were Jug Twitty & Natalee’s 16 y.o. brother Matthew?
........................Cellphone may have belonged to or was rented by Joran or Paulus van der Sloot
........................Beth Twitty tells Fox H&C she believes Natalee was @ van der Sloots when she made the call
3:00 am...........Deepak tells Mickey Johns that Joran text messaged they “need to talk” as per People Mag
3:15 am..........Geraldo says Deepak gets text message saying “Nevermind. Got another ride.”
3:20 am..........Satish’s lawyer says Deepak said he got text message from Joran saying he was home
3:45 am..........?Someone makes 2nd withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM?
4:00 am..........Geraldo says Paulus picks up Joran (from where??) and drives him home
5:00 am..........50-100 MB kids @ beach, Holiday Inn pool & lobby start to go back to their rooms for sleep
6:30 am..........?Records show call from one of 3 amigo’s cellphones in Santa Lucia area of Aruba ?
.......................?Call is to another of the 3 amigos?
6:40 am..........Julia @ “Aruba Today” says Joran on school bus & “aced” his exam, but no exams scheduled
.......................Headmaster @ International School of Aruba says Joran was late this day & Paulus drove him
???? am..........Joran in school bragging about sex with Natalee -- also saying she drowned??
8:00 am..........Chaperones go to all the MB kids’ hotel rooms, make sure all awake.
.......................Chaperones take headcount and notice Natalee is missing.

[Lala'sMom]

Do we have the records from the ATM?  I don't think I have ever seen evidence that he was anywhere except the McDonald's at 4 AM.  I want to see this in writing, please.  I hope it can be proven...I have waited to see those exact records for a long time.  Anyone?  Where are we getting this? Did I miss another memo?   

LALA, I believe it was Colombo that posted the Text Messages in Shango I think. it was recently. and theye were in time sequance.

WHERE IS THE ATM INFORMATION???  I have never...ever seen anything that proved there was an ATM withdrawal.  I have waited and waited to see it....I want to see it.  I have seen all the text records and cell phone records, but I am talking about the two ATM withdrawals....show me.  Please.