Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 - 2/24/08

[klaasend]

Do we have the records from the ATM?  I don't think I have ever seen evidence that he was anywhere except the McDonald's at 4 AM.  I want to see this in writing, please.  I hope it can be proven...I have waited to see those exact records for a long time.  Anyone?  Where are we getting this? Did I miss another memo?   

LALA, I believe it was Colombo that posted the Text Messages in Shango I think. it was recently. and theye were in time sequance.

WHERE IS THE ATM INFORMATION???  I have never...ever seen anything that proved there was an ATM withdrawal.  I have waited and waited to see it....I want to see it.  I have seen all the text records and cell phone records, but I am talking about the two ATM withdrawals....show me.  Please. 

Lala's - I haven't seen any proof of ATM withdrawal either.  I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I haven't seen any records.

[cubbeegirl]

Do we have the records from the ATM?  I don't think I have ever seen evidence that he was anywhere except the McDonald's at 4 AM.  I want to see this in writing, please.  I hope it can be proven...I have waited to see those exact records for a long time.  Anyone?  Where are we getting this? Did I miss another memo?   

LALA, I believe it was Colombo that posted the Text Messages in Shango I think. it was recently. and theye were in time sequance.

WHERE IS THE ATM INFORMATION???  I have never...ever seen anything that proved there was an ATM withdrawal.  I have waited and waited to see it....I want to see it.  I have seen all the text records and cell phone records, but I am talking about the two ATM withdrawals....show me.  Please. 

Lala's - I haven't seen any proof of ATM withdrawal either.  I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I haven't seen any records.

I agree... have seen no proof... don't know if it happened or not, but sure would like to see proof if it did.
Have to run some errands,will catch up in a bit, hopefully if there is proof someone will post here and I will see it when I get back..
Laters...

[CapsLockWizard]

Timeline from computer
From SHIZARU - Electronic Timeline

Electronic record timeline for May 30:

Joran calls Deepak.

3.07 am: Val on computer

3:15 am: Joran sends Deepak text messge from his cell phone. Message says: Hey Swa I am home now, I will see you tomorrow (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

Here Joran was saying on I know what to look for now on his computer

?? am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: OK (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

Deepak send back an OK and awaits a replay back but no return message from Joran

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Are you there?

Here Deepak send a message Joran to see if Joran sees the area in question to dump the Body

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Anyways nice to hear you are home I will talk to you tomorrow I am going to bed

Deepak send Joran a message, Nice to understand where you have to drop the body. I will go now to bed.

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Take care

Deepak says " Take Care of the problem" he did not say goodnight.

3:33 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: Hey swa

3:35 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: topa/loca pimp heehehe

We will get together crazy pimp

3:35 am: Joran visits hotmail  ------This is not Joran---but Freddy login on hotmail

Joran was out to dump the body with mistery driver

3:40-3:45 am: Joran visits four soccer-related sites  ---- not Joran but freddy ---

3:46 am: Joran visits porn site   ----- Not Joran but freddy ------

3:56 pm: Joran vists porn site, downloads two porn movies  ----this was inserted in the text it is a PARADOX look at the pm time

CAPS say: 4:05 AM Joran passing in front of a witness house dirty and missing the Right shoe

CAPS say: 4:10 AM Pauls pick-up Joran at Mc Donalds.

CAPS Say: 10 Min driving from McDonnals to Home, Take shower
4:30 am: Joran visits hotmail ------This is  Joran Now at home after dumping the body

5:50 am: Something about Anita and outlook express/e-mail

7:02 am: Paulus visits hotmail

7:34-7:37 pm: Paulus vists several stock-related sites

7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs". Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office. The sites are visited only briefly.

9:18 pm: VDS computer infected with virus

hahaha computer suddently got a virus...   Reformat...all lost...

[Lala'sMom]

Sorry. I was about to be excited over this ATM evidence.  Darn it! I just knew we had it finally.  Well, back to lurking, I guess.  Hmmmm. 

[CapsLockWizard]

Sorry. I was about to be excited over this ATM evidence.  Darn it! I just knew we had it finally.  Well, back to lurking, I guess.  Hmmmm. 

LALA,

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[Lala'sMom]

Sorry. I was about to be excited over this ATM evidence.  Darn it! I just knew we had it finally.  Well, back to lurking, I guess.  Hmmmm. 

LALA,

Like my Avatar?

Indeed!  You know that makes you a monkey for sure now.

[AVA]

Good morning all from sunny California!

I've been wondering all night if anyone knows anything about security camera companies down in Aruba?

who might own or operate a company in charge of maintaining Hotel security cameras.....someone who constantly would be changing the tapes for storage.

"Feed my messengers".....just a thought that bothers me because this would be the perfect way for the powers that be in Aruba to know the deeds of all and cataloging video tapes for use in getting favors at a time they need favors etc.....

could Oxum be a brand of camera or a process of recording?

[CapsLockWizard]

Good morning all from sunny California!

I've been wondering all night if anyone knows anything about security camera companies down in Aruba?

who might own or operate a company in charge of maintaining Hotel security cameras.....someone who constantly would be changing the tapes for storage.

"Feed my messengers".....just a thought that bothers me because this would be the perfect way for the powers that be in Aruba to know the deeds of all and cataloging video tapes for use in getting favors at a time they need favors etc.....

could Oxum be a brand of camera or a process of recording?

VCS Install all hotel and Casino cameras and also maintain them.

[AVA]

Good morning all from sunny California!

I've been wondering all night if anyone knows anything about security camera companies down in Aruba?

who might own or operate a company in charge of maintaining Hotel security cameras.....someone who constantly would be changing the tapes for storage.

"Feed my messengers".....just a thought that bothers me because this would be the perfect way for the powers that be in Aruba to know the deeds of all and cataloging video tapes for use in getting favors at a time they need favors etc.....

could Oxum be a brand of camera or a process of recording?

VCS Install all hotel and Casino cameras and also maintain them.

and VCS stands for what? 

[Pita]

What was that asswipe from Ahata's name, the POS who spoke before Tacopina?

The American puppet recited the dollars Aruba has spent, defending the police force.

Does anyone remember his name?

I believe the prosecution's spokesperson before Tacopina was John Pauley.

The judge called for Joran van der Sloot, 20, to be freed, according to John Pauly, a communications consultant who acts as a spokesman for the prosecutors' office. Details of the ruling were not immediately available and a news conference was scheduled for later in the day.

[klaasend]

Good morning all from sunny California!

I've been wondering all night if anyone knows anything about security camera companies down in Aruba?

who might own or operate a company in charge of maintaining Hotel security cameras.....someone who constantly would be changing the tapes for storage.

"Feed my messengers".....just a thought that bothers me because this would be the perfect way for the powers that be in Aruba to know the deeds of all and cataloging video tapes for use in getting favors at a time they need favors etc.....

could Oxum be a brand of camera or a process of recording?

VCS Install all hotel and Casino cameras and also maintain them.

and VCS stands for what? 

Capslock - are you sure about the casino video?  Would be highly unusual for Posner to let VCS handle that.

VCS = Von Croimvort Security = Geoffrey's fathers security company

Correction = VCB
http://www.vcbsecurity.com/index_en.php

[Frijole]

Frank -

Asswipe Aruban spokesman before Taco?

You talking about COHEN?  Can't remember his first name.  White hair, was at Joran's house celebrating w/family when released from jail first time.  He took Arlene Schippers' spot I believe.

[AVA]

Good morning all from sunny California!

I've been wondering all night if anyone knows anything about security camera companies down in Aruba?

who might own or operate a company in charge of maintaining Hotel security cameras.....someone who constantly would be changing the tapes for storage.

"Feed my messengers".....just a thought that bothers me because this would be the perfect way for the powers that be in Aruba to know the deeds of all and cataloging video tapes for use in getting favors at a time they need favors etc.....

could Oxum be a brand of camera or a process of recording?

VCS Install all hotel and Casino cameras and also maintain them.

and VCS stands for what? 

Capslock - are you sure about the casino video?  Would be highly unusual for Posner to let VCS handle that.

VCS = Von Croimvort Security = Geoffrey's fathers security company

Correction:  VCB is the name of the companyhttp://www.vcbsecurity.com/index_en.php

I feel very strong about these tapes and the person who maintains them by way of storage.
Someone was trying to tell us and so many times about the Bird on the Wire stuff .......jmo

[AVA]

It just might explain why it took so long to get anything done down there at the time.....2005......they were wrestling over who had the tapes and getting them turned over before they could trust any kind of cover-up......

Van der Straten knows because he was the go between

[Pita]

Frank -

Asswipe Aruban spokesman before Taco?

You talking about COHEN?  Can't remember his first name.  White hair, was at Joran's house celebrating w/family when released from jail first time.  He took Arlene Schippers' spot I believe.

Steve Cohen.  He and John Pauly are old friends.

[Blonde]

19 year old Geoffrey van Cromvoirt has been arrested. It is unknown at this time what his involvement is to the case as to whether he is a suspect or a witness. Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt’s family runs the VCB security company. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies on Aruba. Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt also appears to have been a part of the Visibility Team on Aruba as well.



Van Cromvoirt’s family runs the security company, according to Tacopina. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies, including the Holiday Inn, where Holloway was staying, he said. The company installed the security camera and patrols the beach. Van Cromvoirt was part of the team that patrolled the Holiday Inn’s beach in the early hours of the morning, according to Tacopina.
 Does his dad own a boat?

[CapsLockWizard]

Good morning all from sunny California!

I've been wondering all night if anyone knows anything about security camera companies down in Aruba?

who might own or operate a company in charge of maintaining Hotel security cameras.....someone who constantly would be changing the tapes for storage.

"Feed my messengers".....just a thought that bothers me because this would be the perfect way for the powers that be in Aruba to know the deeds of all and cataloging video tapes for use in getting favors at a time they need favors etc.....

could Oxum be a brand of camera or a process of recording?

VCS Install all hotel and Casino cameras and also maintain them.

and VCS stands for what? 

Capslock - are you sure about the casino video?  Would be highly unusual for Posner to let VCS handle that.

VCS = Von Croimvort Security = Geoffrey's fathers security company

Correction = VCB
http://www.vcbsecurity.com/index_en.php

thnks for the correction klaasend

I could not get back on..

[Blonde]

Frank -

Asswipe Aruban spokesman before Taco?

You talking about COHEN?  Can't remember his first name.  White hair, was at Joran's house celebrating w/family when released from jail first time.  He took Arlene Schippers' spot I believe.

HIM?

[AVA]

19 year old Geoffrey van Cromvoirt has been arrested. It is unknown at this time what his involvement is to the case as to whether he is a suspect or a witness. Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt’s family runs the VCB security company. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies on Aruba. Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt also appears to have been a part of the Visibility Team on Aruba as well.



Van Cromvoirt’s family runs the security company, according to Tacopina. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies, including the Holiday Inn, where Holloway was staying, he said. The company installed the security camera and patrols the beach. Van Cromvoirt was part of the team that patrolled the Holiday Inn’s beach in the early hours of the morning, according to Tacopina.
 Does his dad own a boat?

yes and at the time they claimed to have forensic evidence against him......anyone have a quick pic of him?

[klaasend]

AVA - you can always find photos of various people in the Important Case Document area Aruban Who's Who:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0