Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 - 2/24/08

[Destiny]

What did everyone think about that guy from Nicaragua and his wanting to talk to Tim? Did anyone but me think he sounded somewhat credible?

Well, if he is then the Persistence is wasting a ton of money and why didn't those Colombians just drop her in the deep, deep ocean?  Why keep her stowed away to bury  in another country?  Then again, that would certainly make "no body,no crime" a certainty, wouldn't  it?  What I can't understand is knowing Tim Miller could easily identify you why even risk it?  More confusion.

Lala's Mom...I totally understand your feelings...I feel that too...but what keeps me going in regards to the Persistence's search is ... my *gut* tells me that they WILL find something related to Natalee/perps...that will bust this case even more wide open....somehting that gives *proof* of the hidious cover-up...I can only pray that all the pieces of the puzzel fall into place...I do think they will...

[bleachedblack]

What did everyone think about that guy from Nicaragua and his wanting to talk to Tim? Did anyone but me think he sounded somewhat credible?

Well, if he is then the Persistence is wasting a ton of money and why didn't those Colombians just drop her in the deep, deep ocean?  Why keep her stowed away to bury  in another country?  Then again, that would certainly make "no body,no crime" a certainty, wouldn't  it?  What I can't understand is knowing Tim Miller could easily identify you why even risk it?  More confusion.

I agree Lala's, strange. I can't help thinking that someone pulling a hoax would just likely call the Tip line. But to contact Tim? and then go so far as to meet with him and share details(?) of this transport? It is very strange......obviously the guy had second thoughts before the second meeting......afterall you are likely dealing with the sort of persons(s) that slit the throat of the incinerator man.....and then there was Pitbull. As for hanging on to the body ....they knew  what they had and felt there was a possible way of extorting money from someone ie the family.

[CapsLockWizard]

Frank -

Asswipe Aruban spokesman before Taco?

You talking about COHEN?  Can't remember his first name.  White hair, was at Joran's house celebrating w/family when released from jail first time.  He took Arlene Schippers' spot I believe.

Steve Cohen.  He and John Pauly are old friends.

I believe they were talking about on Dateline, last night.  That asswipe was Rob Smith, I believe.  So many wipes to keep track of....

I believe Rob Smith is the fifth one in from the left and Jorge Pasquera is on the end.

Ok here are the names

Left to Right in Picture

1. David Brown (Valero PR Director)
2. source do not know
3. source do not know
4. Jan van Ness (GM Playa Linda) (ex director ATA)
5. Rob Smith (ex GM Westin) (CEO AHATA)
6. Michell Brooks (HR Director Hyatt) (Ex HR employee Radisson)
7. Roland Peterson (SNBA - San Nicholaas Busisness Assoc.) (Ex Chief of Aruba Police during 1986-1990)
8. Source do not know
9. Fritz Isreal (director of Marketing at ATA)
10. Jorge Pesquera (Ex CEO AHATA) (President of convetion center of West Palm Beach FL.)

[Tamikosmom]

What did everyone think about that guy from Nicaragua and his wanting to talk to Tim? Did anyone but me think he sounded somewhat credible?

Well, if he is then the Persistence is wasting a ton of money and why didn't those Colombians just drop her in the deep, deep ocean?  Why keep her stowed away to bury  in another country?  Then again, that would certainly make "no body,no crime" a certainty, wouldn't  it?  What I can't understand is knowing Tim Miller could easily identify you why even risk it?  More confusion.

Lala'sMom ... I disagree.  All theories that provide credible backup/reasoning must be pursued.

My theory does not imply that Natalee was taken out to sea on the morning or evening of May 30, 2005 and ... it does not imply that she was taken out to sea in the area that is being searched.

However ... I pray that I am dead wrong in my theorizing and ... the crew of the Persistence ... through their sacrificial efforts ... find the remains of Natalee Holloway and ... return her to her country ... her family.

I will gladly sit down and eat an entire pie of crow.

Janet

[Buckeye]

MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON ... MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON  ... MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON

It would appear that the Monkeys have braved the harsh winter snow storms in New England (http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/02/as_intense_snow.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed2) and have made it to the Boston Travel Show.

A blinding storm has shrouded Massachusetts in a white blanket of snow, slowing traffic to a crawl and causing spinouts across the state.

What began this morning as a dusting has roiled into a near blizzard that is expected to dump up to 8 inches of snow. Despite the intensity of the squalls, however, few major accidents or traffic jams have been reported.

Traffic is “definitely lighter today being a school vacation week,” said Lieutenant Eric Anderson of the State Police. “I think people also realized the storm was coming. The state and businesses let people go home early. I think that really helped.”

We have our first report from them from Boston. Stay tune for more comments, pics and videos from our brave weather Monkeys keeping Natalee's memory alive in Boston and helping to provide Justice for Natalee.

Listen here:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/files/BostonTravelShow022308.mp3

Interesting, Kathy said Rob Smith is at the show!!

   Maybe she can ask him if he has any comment besides numbers for the family of Natalee.

[Buckeye]

Dateline makes Dutch News
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/88151
Parents search  for Natalee Holloway continue


The father and mother of Natalee Holloway continue the search to their
for the. Them hope that a search with sonarboot their at last to the
body of their for the will lead.

That said Dave Holloway to father, in the prominent research programme
Dateline, of the American sender NBC.

The American Natalee disappeared at the end of a holiday on Aruba, by
the end of May 2005, after an evening step. Rather the research ship
zocht ' Persistence ' also already, in vain, to the body of the little
girl.

' ' if she is there, then they will find its. If they do not find her,
we have best done to our extrême '', said visible geëmotioneerde
Dave Holloway, which describes the search as very painfully, and ' '
the wondrous '' find that he has not yet died ' ' to a heart attack
''.

 

[Peaches]

What did everyone think about that guy from Nicaragua and his wanting to talk to Tim? Did anyone but me think he sounded somewhat credible?

Well, if he is then the Persistence is wasting a ton of money and why didn't those Colombians just drop her in the deep, deep ocean?  Why keep her stowed away to bury  in another country?  Then again, that would certainly make "no body,no crime" a certainty, wouldn't  it?  What I can't understand is knowing Tim Miller could easily identify you why even risk it?  More confusion.

I agree Lala's, strange. I can't help thinking that someone pulling a hoax would just likely call the Tip line. But to contact Tim? and then go so far as to meet with him and share details(?) of this transport? It is very strange......obviously the guy had second thoughts before the second meeting......afterall you are likely dealing with the sort of persons(s) that slit the throat of the incinerator man.....and then there was Pitbull. As for hanging on to the body ....they knew  what they had and felt there was a possible way of extorting money from someone ie the family.

I guess I was a little more suspicious.  I thought the whole Marcos business sounded like something dreamed up by the Anybody But Joran crowd.  I wondered if the whole thing wasn't bought and paid for, staged for Tim's benefit.  Something to distract him from the Persistence search and just generally waste Tim's time.  Like the move the magician uses to keep you from seeing him do the trick right in front of you.  Distraction.  Diversion.

[bleachedblack]

What did everyone think about that guy from Nicaragua and his wanting to talk to Tim? Did anyone but me think he sounded somewhat credible?

Well, if he is then the Persistence is wasting a ton of money and why didn't those Colombians just drop her in the deep, deep ocean?  Why keep her stowed away to bury  in another country?  Then again, that would certainly make "no body,no crime" a certainty, wouldn't  it?  What I can't understand is knowing Tim Miller could easily identify you why even risk it?  More confusion.

Lala's Mom...I totally understand your feelings...I feel that too...but what keeps me going in regards to the Persistence's search is ... my *gut* tells me that they WILL find something related to Natalee/perps...that will bust this case even more wide open....somehting that gives *proof* of the hidious cover-up...I can only pray that all the pieces of the puzzel fall into place...I do think they will...

....maybe they were supposed to drop the body out in the deep, only they didn't follow through. I know speculation........

[Buckeye]

Frank -

Asswipe Aruban spokesman before Taco?

You talking about COHEN?  Can't remember his first name.  White hair, was at Joran's house celebrating w/family when released from jail first time.  He took Arlene Schippers' spot I believe.

Steve Cohen.  He and John Pauly are old friends.

I believe they were talking about on Dateline, last night.  That asswipe was Rob Smith, I believe.  So many wipes to keep track of....

I believe Rob Smith is the fifth one in from the left and Jorge Pasquera is on the end.

Ok here are the names

Left to Right in Picture

1. David Brown (Valero PR Director)
2. source do not know
3. source do not know
4. Jan van Ness (GM Playa Linda) (ex director ATA)
5. Rob Smith (ex GM Westin) (CEO AHATA)
6. Michell Brooks (HR Director Hyatt) (Ex HR employee Radisson)
7. Roland Peterson (SNBA - San Nicholaas Busisness Assoc.) (Ex Chief of Aruba Police during 1986-1990)
8. Source do not know
9. Fritz Isreal (director of Marketing at ATA)
10. Jorge Pesquera (Ex CEO AHATA) (President of convetion center of West Palm Beach FL.)

#2 looks like that asswipe, John Merriweather.  Lead protest against Beth.

[martini]

Found this over at Amigoe.com

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_39998.php

[Frijole]

I guess I was a little more suspicious.  I thought the whole Marcos business sounded like something dreamed up by the Anybody But Joran crowd.  I wondered if the whole thing wasn't bought and paid for, staged for Tim's benefit.  Something to distract him from the Persistence search and just generally waste Tim's time.  Like the move the magician uses to keep you from seeing him do the trick right in front of you.  Distraction.  Diversion.

This was my thinking also.  First of all I was in total shock having never seen/heard anything about this.  Secondly all I could think of was "someone did this to mess with Tim and keep him from finding Natalee where he thinks she is".

Who would do this?  Well the druglords and mafia would totally do something like this.   I worry for everyone's wellbeing in this case.  We all know who is being the corruption on that island.  The Dutch elite on Aruba are owned and paid for by this group.  That is my only pleasure in this case - knowing that the dirty cops have to be shaking in their boots.

[hotping]

What did everyone think about that guy from Nicaragua and his wanting to talk to Tim? Did anyone but me think he sounded somewhat credible?

Well, if he is then the Persistence is wasting a ton of money and why didn't those Colombians just drop her in the deep, deep ocean?  Why keep her stowed away to bury  in another country?  Then again, that would certainly make "no body,no crime" a certainty, wouldn't  it?  What I can't understand is knowing Tim Miller could easily identify you why even risk it?  More confusion.

I agree Lala's, strange. I can't help thinking that someone pulling a hoax would just likely call the Tip line. But to contact Tim? and then go so far as to meet with him and share details(?) of this transport? It is very strange......obviously the guy had second thoughts before the second meeting......afterall you are likely dealing with the sort of persons(s) that slit the throat of the incinerator man.....and then there was Pitbull. As for hanging on to the body ....they knew  what they had and felt there was a possible way of extorting money from someone ie the family.

I guess I was a little more suspicious.  I thought the whole Marcos business sounded like something dreamed up by the Anybody But Joran crowd.  I wondered if the whole thing wasn't bought and paid for, staged for Tim's benefit.  Something to distract him from the Persistence search and just generally waste Tim's time.  Like the move the magician uses to keep you from seeing him do the trick right in front of you.  Distraction.  Diversion.

Exactly what I thought Peaches...Distraction...Maybe the Persistence is getting close....

[Finbar]

I have NO link saved of where I got this I'm not sure if it's right
Monday, May 30
12:15 am?.......Deepak, Satish & Joran arrive Carlos’nCharlies’
........................MB kids surprised to see Joran because he’d said @ casino Sunday nites slow & no one goes out
12:45 am.........Joran in another scuffle with MBHS kids outside Carlos’nCharlies’
........................Natalee & other MBHS kids believe Joran van der Sloot is a Dutch tourist visiting Aruba
........................Some locals later tell MBHS kids Joran van der Sloot is a local drug dealer
1:00 am...........Carlos’nCharlie’s closes, everyone starts leaving
1:30 am...........Joran walks next to Natalee outside Carlos’nCharlie’s, but two are not touching
........................MB kids say Natalee does not appear to be drunk & is walking OK
........................Natalee tells MB friends she’s going back to Holiday Inn with another group of MB kids
........................Natalee points to MB kids she’s going with, Kalpoe brothers & Deepak’s car nowhere in sight
........................MB kids see Natalee & Joran in Deepak’s car but think it’s a taxi (taxis not marked in Aruba)
........................Natalee & Joran leave Carlos’nCharlies’ in Deepak Kalpoe’s car with his brother Satish
........................MB kids go back to hotel pool and beach. Marriott beach visible. Moon at 59% illumination
1:40 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak briefly stops at a bar/restaurant a block from Carlos’nCharlies’
1:50 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak then drives away from Oranjestad to California Lighthouse
1:50 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says the brothers drop off Natalee & Joran (@ Marriott?)
2:00 am...........Mickey John says Deepak told him in jail that he & Satish went home and got on the computer
2:00 am...........Person sees Kalpoe brothers in Deepak’s car driving toward Montanja where van der Sloots live
2-3:00 am........Kalpoe’s neighbor sees brothers at home washing Deepak’s car
2:30 am...........Geraldo says Joran van der Sloot calls Deepak Kalpoe and asks for a ride
2:40 am...........Satish Kalpoe’s lawyer David **** says cellphone records show Joran called Deepak
........................Lawyer says Deepak told him Joran said he was walking home & left Natalee on beach
........................Mickey says Deepak told him Joran said he would go online in hour and tell him what happened
3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?
3:00 am?.........Someone who sounds like Natalee leaves garbled message on cellphone voicemail of MB guy
....................... MB guy’s cell (his, not rented) is only MB cell which can make/receive calls locally in Aruba
........................Message on his voicemail is along the lines of “I don't know these people”
3:00 am...........?Natalee also leaves message on Twittys answering machine in MB calling from a cellphone?
........................Beth Twitty in Arkansas @ time. Where were Jug Twitty & Natalee’s 16 y.o. brother Matthew?
........................Cellphone may have belonged to or was rented by Joran or Paulus van der Sloot
........................Beth Twitty tells Fox H&C she believes Natalee was @ van der Sloots when she made the call
3:00 am...........Deepak tells Mickey Johns that Joran text messaged they “need to talk” as per People Mag
3:15 am..........Geraldo says Deepak gets text message saying “Nevermind. Got another ride.”
3:20 am..........Satish’s lawyer says Deepak said he got text message from Joran saying he was home
3:45 am..........?Someone makes 2nd withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM?
4:00 am..........Geraldo says Paulus picks up Joran (from where??) and drives him home
5:00 am..........50-100 MB kids @ beach, Holiday Inn pool & lobby start to go back to their rooms for sleep
6:30 am..........?Records show call from one of 3 amigo’s cellphones in Santa Lucia area of Aruba ?
.......................?Call is to another of the 3 amigos?
6:40 am..........Julia @ “Aruba Today” says Joran on school bus & “aced” his exam, but no exams scheduled
.......................Headmaster @ International School of Aruba says Joran was late this day & Paulus drove him
???? am..........Joran in school bragging about sex with Natalee -- also saying she drowned??
8:00 am..........Chaperones go to all the MB kids’ hotel rooms, make sure all awake.
.......................Chaperones take headcount and notice Natalee is missing.

Blonde I have seen this timeline also, but  don't recall where from. It interestingly contains the mention of the stop at the other bar by the perps, and the ATM stops, but
sadly not confirmed info on it though I recall it too .......often I think this early info true...out before it got cleaned up, sadly no way to prove it.

1:40 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak briefly stops at a bar/restaurant a block from Carlos’nCharlies’

3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?

3:45 am..........?Someone makes 2nd withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM? [/b]

I think the timeline above may be the one Writenow did at the end of June o5,
I always thought that was important because information was new in the mind.

Nope.

That computer scrawl be mine.

I think I composed it from several sources. One was World Journier. One was from interviews. Me thinks Shizaru sounds familiar, but I do not remember those text messages that were actually sent.

It may seem they came from several sites because I mined all the net info I could find at the time. That page came from one place.

I was hoping it would be posted because that info was on an old computer that I no longer use.

It needs reworking and a badly needed format make over. lol.

Fin

[hotping]

There is a short message from the Persistence on the Ocean Search Thread...posted this morning 

[Destiny]

What did everyone think about that guy from Nicaragua and his wanting to talk to Tim? Did anyone but me think he sounded somewhat credible?

Well, if he is then the Persistence is wasting a ton of money and why didn't those Colombians just drop her in the deep, deep ocean?  Why keep her stowed away to bury  in another country?  Then again, that would certainly make "no body,no crime" a certainty, wouldn't  it?  What I can't understand is knowing Tim Miller could easily identify you why even risk it?  More confusion.

Lala's Mom...I totally understand your feelings...I feel that too...but what keeps me going in regards to the Persistence's search is ... my *gut* tells me that they WILL find something related to Natalee/perps...that will bust this case even more wide open....somehting that gives *proof* of the hidious cover-up...I can only pray that all the pieces of the puzzel fall into place...I do think they will...

....maybe they were supposed to drop the body out in the deep, only they didn't follow through. I know speculation........

But good speculation...everyone needs something to hold over someone's head with *that* bunch of CREEPS...this has become a creep show to me....anyone looking for answers..pulls up another rotting board of the foundation of Aruba...out crawls another CREEP, exposed to the world now!!!

[Blonde]

Holloway, criminal Dutch and the Flex Ltd 22 Feb, 2008, 16.26 (GMT -04:00) E-mail this Article prints this Article The PREVIOUS weeks have therefore also ensured again some talked-about legal developments in or concerning the West, the kingdom. First of all of course the ` consent (with good will explain if committing the indictable offence of doing disappears of a lijk) that by burgerinfiltrant in Rotterdam it has been provoked of the worldwide most known Dutch verdachte, Joran of of the ditch. Peter R. freezes (to confuse with and family also no of writer dezes) did not present to consent with magnificent marketing technique and much fanfare the ` in of its retransmissions and sold to the uitzendrechten for according to reports 6 millions dollar to the American television station ABC. On what the world press the question Natalee Holloway - in a mysterious manner of (the zee?)bodem of Aruba disappeared American young lady - raked up and for days to voorpaginanieuws bombarded. Also Dutch best sentence suitor interferes himself with the question and explains that it obtained thus proof weleens unlawful can be. The Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba decides, on other grounds that there is insufficient basis for again in provisional detention take of of of the ditch, in spite of its ` consent. But it does not let sit hear to the Public Prosecution Service and will now also the burgerinfiltrant, if need be against its sense. ` Minpres Balkenende, which put on the West in the same period and especially under the impression were of (i) it splendid in building are Renaissance hotel at Otrobanda, Curaçao - why doesn't the press in the Netherlands write about that? - and (ii) here the kingdom soldiers stationed at lande (defence is on the basis of the statute a kingdom task), promised Aruba its full support in the holloway affair. Rather the Netherlands sent already jet hunters to Aruba to radiograph if the complete island by means of quickscan to the body, and it must, then come F-16's there therefore obviously. The kingdom shows himself of its best side in this matter, because, thus I think but, president Bush also looks with. The occasion seizing explained the minister of justice of Aruba which will be explained from of the ditch to persona non grata. The Dutch council of ministers, the minister of justice of the Netherlands (that is not my oud-hoogleraar staatsrecht to the KUB, now the UvT) first, loves that concept and proceeds to setting-up of a Repatriation Scheme Dutch Antillians and arubanen new form (of course such as Ms Verdonk that ever considered, because now, however, in conformity with (mensen)recht). The states of the Netherlands Antilles shoot that idea directly to flarden with state-broad one behave motion. That is ` jammer ' and ` premature ' find the Dutch government, because have seen you not yet once how beautiful the civil servants on the Ministry of Justice that legally will frame! The European Commission at the same time recommends reconsidering the policy against racism and intolerantie (Ecri) in its third report the Netherlands concerning Antillians carefully. Ground for that is among others the Verwijsindex Antillians (does think me of the second world war in which my father has sat in resisted) about which are said that ` a recording system on the basis of race and ethnic context, limited coupled to a specific group and in a clear manner to the sentence chain, (be possible) to be with difficulty seen as in conformity with the prohibition on race discrimination. And then of course each right-minded arubaanse asks if antillian Dutchman itself what the Dutch passport is still worth if there time on time a fighting must be conducted for an equivalent Dutch nationality. Fortunately there is still a Council of State which put already rather a rod for this partitioning of the Dutch people. And that Dutch - and to that (for the droit patrimonial) equivalents - everywhere in the kingdom really and the same are, can then happy nevertheless become clear from the pleasing setting-up of the Flex Ltd in the Netherlands. An comparison of those Flex Ltd with (in current form per March 2004 introduced) Dutch antillian Ltd shows that an antillian Ltd in the Netherlands is in fact created. Also Aruba sails in soon Dutch antillian Ltd, and Surinam - ever also kingdom country - sails in soon Surinamese Ltd to antillian model. For the droit patrimonial we therefore again all almost right are: now still it keep human right in score. ERIC R. FREEZE Curaçao

[Buckeye]

Think I might have found link for previous time line.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-67.html

[martini]

To show that Aruba treats Antilleans as badly as any foreigner, she presented the example of a man who had been admitted to the hospital in Aruba with a stroke. “Instead of sending the man to Colombia for treatment, they told him his residence in Aruba had expired, so he would have to wait till his condition improved for Aruba to send him back to Curaçao so Curaçao could pay the expenses of sending him abroad for treatment,” De Lannooy stated.

According to the Minister, it was eventually the Dutch representation in Aruba who paid for the man to be transferred, based on the fact that he was a Dutch citizen. De Lannooy strongly believed the Aruban motives for treating an Antillean in such a manner had been racially induced.

“It all had to do because the man was of black complexion and had ‘nappy’ hair. I can say this because I’m of black complexion and I have ‘nappy’ hair,” an irritated De Lannooy said.   

[bleachedblack]

7. Roland Peterson (SNBA - San Nicholaas Busisness Assoc.) (Ex Chief of Aruba Police during 1986-1990)


Hmmmmmm I think this fellow is currently a writer, and certainly someone who might know all about the Lion's Den. Just thinking out loud....

[wreck]

Maybe I missed this last night (I was distracted about the time they talked about this)........ was the trap they found suspected of being a "plant" or merell a just a lost one by fishermen? (I just asked this on the OE thread as well)