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« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2008, 03:42:38 PM »

Could someone tell me why joran said the shoes were size 14 it turned out later he had size 10?


Hi JE.. Klaas has a picture that explains it all.

Rob i ve seen that pic LOL I was just wondering why someone would so wrong about their shoe size.

the best theory I have seen  has Joran and Deepak at the Racquet club and Joran stealing a pair of shoes that were size 14.


I'll buy that too Rob. There is no other reason for him to lie about his shoe size unless he was framing somebody else.
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« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2008, 03:43:32 PM »

one more thing about the shoes

On june 9 2005:To your question as to what clothes I was wearing when I was picked up by Deepak and Satish, I can answer the following. I wore a white/blue shirt, a blue/white jeans trouser or a three-quart black trouser and a couple of white shoes or crème coloured boots.

No recollection of white shoes or boots

On june 14 2005:told Deepak that I left my shoes at the Marriot Hotel. Deepak told me not to worry that he would go back the next day and pick them up for me. I had left a pair of white and blue shoes of the make "K-Swiss", size "14" on the beach. These shoes I bought in the USA.

Lots of detail here: white and blue K swiss size 14 bought in USA

Usually memory doesnt get better as time elapses.
Has it ever been checked if one of his friends or Paulus has size 14 shoes?



Thank you JE.

The witness and suspects statements of Joran, Deepak and Satish are chalked full of inconsistencies ... lie after lie after lie after lie.  The truth does not change ... there is no need to "get stories straight".

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TWITTY: You know, not only that, Nancy. Deepak gives a detailed statement on Paulus Van Der Sloot`s role in this, how Paulus hired the lawyers, arranged for the lawyers, called them over to his home, instructed the boys not to use their cell phone, they could be bugged. Also told them how to get their stories straight and then use their email, then begin emailing the story and use your hard drive to nail an alibi.
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« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2008, 03:49:52 PM »

Hello, Everyone.

I haven't read back (sorry, busy), so I don't know if y'all are aware of this, but today's NY Post online (nypost.com) has a note in its Page Six section that says the guy who taped the confession of JVDS is going to write a book about it; including the entire transcript of the tapes (20 hours, I think) and texts between him and JVDS.
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« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2008, 03:55:52 PM »

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« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2008, 04:01:16 PM »

i just want to say after watching yesterday's greta: the dutch media is way way behind.
they still ignore the corruption/cover-up. that's why i continue to encourage to write the dutch media and the dutch members of parliament.
(earlier i posted a list with email-addresses)
if the dutch put pressure on aruba, they might have to act.
next week the parliament is back in session.

http://www.youtube.com/user/gensing7000
thanks for putting this on youtube.
very few dutch cable operators bring FOX News and none CNN USA.


Hello Caesu! Do you think Peter Devries is working on Paulus and the corruptioin angle and will bust it loose in Holland?

i am sure about that. at least the cover-up angle, maybe the broader corruption angle.

have you seen Peter R. de Vries first broadcast about this case in 2006?
all about how messed up the investigation went from the start and PvdS involvement.

Peter R. de Vries will not let JvdS / PvsS screw up his international career.
in a few months time or earlier he will broadcast a follow up.


about some dutch missing person cases he made dozens of broadcasts over years until the truth came out.
some are not solved as of yet.
december 2007 he did a follow up to a few cases (nicky verstappen and gonda smit) and and the end of the program peter r. de vries got emotional.
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/tekst/dossierindextot.htm
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« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2008, 04:06:38 PM »

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#54. Chris. There is some confusion on the 1,250.000.00 for the return of Natalee. Early in the case,June 05, a wealthy man from the USA pledged $1 million for the safe return of Natalee or $250,000. for the return of her remains. He would still pay off, no money was sent to the family/friends, just pledged and the man definitely has the money. He was/is sincere, trustworthy, and very well known. He does not want his identity given out unless Natalee or her remains appear. The only way the money will be delivered is if Natalee is delivered. So that money cannot be tapped for other use. And I am connected to Natalee, she dated my son, and if you have viewed the photos he is in them. Natalee has spent many days at my house and lakehouse, as has her brother and mother and Jug. I went to Aruba several times, my wife several, and my wife has been on many of the trips with Beth, like Holland, New York, LA, and on and on. I do not have any idea how much we have spent, but that is not something I care to count. Main thing is find Natalee and boycott Aruba. Scared Monkeys staff and members have given countless hours and spent money and Beth/family/friends are very appreciative. It is hard to believe this nightmare, but it has happened and there was a coverup from day one. I know you get frustrated Chris, and so do we, but we do recognize the supreme effort everyone has shown. If you folks were not doing what you do here everyday, Aruba would have won. Without support, we could not have gotten this far and we are not about to quit. We will fight for Natalee for as long as it takes, Joran and Aruba will eventually fall. There are many things they have covered up, but there are some things we know and will use them when the time is right. After learning they were destroying what we found in evidence, we have had to move to a watch and wait position. If I could give them something so solid, they would have to arrest Joran, it would be done. But it will have to be very strong, they are looking for any way out of not prosecuting and will continue that for as long as they can. We need the body, or another break I cannot mention. We will get one or both of them in time. Joran and Paulus should enjoy their freedom as long as they can, it may change for them. This has been a long and costly case for us and for Aruba/J,P,2K as well. Thanks so much to you folks for you dedication, hard work, and generous outpouring of funds and support. Together we cannot lose. I think we have some great support from the people of the Netherlands, they try to help us and Joran is not a popular fellow over there. Peter de Vries has opened the case for all the world to see, matters not if he makes money, it has helped. All you have to do is watch Joran throw the wine in his face and you really know what we have here. Peter along with most of his countrymen want Joran punished, the only bad comments we get from the Netherland posters comes either from Joran and his family or their close friends. Art Wood is very correct in his theory about the house of cards down in Aruba. Minnisota Dad, has great insight too, he is on track. So Chris, if you have any other questions, I will be glad to answer whatever I can. It is always good to inform as much as is possible, and I think it was fine for you to question. I have no problem with you, you are one of us and we have a good team……so Boycott, and keep on writing, it will all come back in time.


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« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2008, 04:08:00 PM »

Feel free to change the faces at any time. I'm just practicing.



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« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2008, 04:08:20 PM »

What if the reason Freddie was willing to replace Joran's shoes is that something Freddie suggested caused the shoes to be ruined or lost?  Somebody who'd be willing to replace my shoes would probably be somebody I really trusted, perhaps to take something they did to the grave.

Trust your soles! As the country song goes, “men don’t change and shoes don’t stretch.”

US size 14 is the largest size most buyers order for their store. The size always goes on sale because the average Mens shoe size is 10 and 11. Maybe Joran bought the shoes on a clearance sale even though the shoe didn't fit. The only problem if your shoes don't fit well and you go in the water they come off.
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« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2008, 04:19:08 PM »

Hello, Everyone.

I haven't read back (sorry, busy), so I don't know if y'all are aware of this, but today's NY Post online (nypost.com) has a note in its Page Six section that says the guy who taped the confession of JVDS is going to write a book about it; including the entire transcript of the tapes (20 hours, I think) and texts between him and JVDS.

Thanks amanda.

I am skeptical regarding Hans Mos desire to interrogate Patrick Van der Eem.  The timing is very suspicious.  It has been three weeks since the airing of the video recording.  It has been one week since the three judge panel ruled in Joran van der Sloot's.  Why now?

Think about it ... it was not until the revelation of Patrick's impending book that Hans Mos felt the need to interrogate.

I speculate that Patrick's shady past will be dug into ... he will be confronted with this past ... he will be intimidated into silence ... possibly compensated and ... the book will never be forthcoming.

There is no way that Aruba is going to allow the entire 20 hours video recording of Joran van der Sloot telling all ... to be exposed.

There is a pattern in regards to witnesses in the Natalee Holloway case who speak out to the media.  They are never heard from again ... it is as if their spoken words never happened.

Inquiring minds want to know ... "Why?"

Janet 

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HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are. Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.


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« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2008, 04:21:50 PM »

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#54. Chris. There is some confusion on the 1,250.000.00 for the return of Natalee. Early in the case,June 05, a wealthy man from the USA pledged $1 million for the safe return of Natalee or $250,000. for the return of her remains. He would still pay off, no money was sent to the family/friends, just pledged and the man definitely has the money. He was/is sincere, trustworthy, and very well known. He does not want his identity given out unless Natalee or her remains appear. The only way the money will be delivered is if Natalee is delivered. So that money cannot be tapped for other use. And I am connected to Natalee, she dated my son, and if you have viewed the photos he is in them. Natalee has spent many days at my house and lakehouse, as has her brother and mother and Jug. I went to Aruba several times, my wife several, and my wife has been on many of the trips with Beth, like Holland, New York, LA, and on and on. I do not have any idea how much we have spent, but that is not something I care to count. Main thing is find Natalee and boycott Aruba. Scared Monkeys staff and members have given countless hours and spent money and Beth/family/friends are very appreciative. It is hard to believe this nightmare, but it has happened and there was a coverup from day one. I know you get frustrated Chris, and so do we, but we do recognize the supreme effort everyone has shown. If you folks were not doing what you do here everyday, Aruba would have won. Without support, we could not have gotten this far and we are not about to quit. We will fight for Natalee for as long as it takes, Joran and Aruba will eventually fall. There are many things they have covered up, but there are some things we know and will use them when the time is right. After learning they were destroying what we found in evidence, we have had to move to a watch and wait position. If I could give them something so solid, they would have to arrest Joran, it would be done. But it will have to be very strong, they are looking for any way out of not prosecuting and will continue that for as long as they can. We need the body, or another break I cannot mention. We will get one or both of them in time. Joran and Paulus should enjoy their freedom as long as they can, it may change for them. This has been a long and costly case for us and for Aruba/J,P,2K as well. Thanks so much to you folks for you dedication, hard work, and generous outpouring of funds and support. Together we cannot lose. I think we have some great support from the people of the Netherlands, they try to help us and Joran is not a popular fellow over there. Peter de Vries has opened the case for all the world to see, matters not if he makes money, it has helped. All you have to do is watch Joran throw the wine in his face and you really know what we have here. Peter along with most of his countrymen want Joran punished, the only bad comments we get from the Netherland posters comes either from Joran and his family or their close friends. Art Wood is very correct in his theory about the house of cards down in Aruba. Minnisota Dad, has great insight too, he is on track. So Chris, if you have any other questions, I will be glad to answer whatever I can. It is always good to inform as much as is possible, and I think it was fine for you to question. I have no problem with you, you are one of us and we have a good team……so Boycott, and keep on writing, it will all come back in time.


Thank you Blade.  Viet Vet's words are well worth the "bump".

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« Reply #70 on: February 21, 2008, 04:24:27 PM »

If I were Paulus Octavius Antonius Tiberius Caligula Van Der Sloot, I would be fearing Godfather Peter R is about to drop the big one on Montanja 19.

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« Reply #71 on: February 21, 2008, 04:26:22 PM »

Book Due on Natalee Suspect

Posted Thu. Feb. 21, 2008 7:04am by Page Six

PATRICK van der Eem, the Dutchman who befriended Natalee Holloway's suspected killer, Joran van der Sloot, and got him to admit dumping her body in the Aruban sea, is peddling his story. Insiders say van der Eem, who's represented by David Vigliano Associates, is selling a book about his bizarre friendship with van der Sloot. Included in the tome would be transcripts of 20 hours of video he made of van der Sloot that no one except the Aruban prosecutor has seen and in which the cocky youth reportedly made self-incriminating statements. In the tapes, van der Sloot claimed he and a friend got rid of Holloway's body after she mysteriously died of a seizure while having sex with him. An insider said, "The tapes, and Patrick's interaction with Joran, paint a picture of a guy who has the same capacity to project innocence and the cold-blooded demeanor that enabled him to lie for three years about the events of that tragic night in Aruba." Van der Eem also has hundreds of never before revealed text messages from van der Sloot and exclusive photos.

http://www.pagesix.com/story/book+due+natalee+suspect
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« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2008, 04:38:28 PM »

Paulus

No time line

No alibi

makes phone calls in the middle of the night - and isn't sure if he's doing it or not

uses his wife's phone

his attorney was captured on video saying Joran played a major role in the disappearance of Natalee

need to be "layered like an onion"

driving around all hours of the night

two vehicles confiscated

was wired tapped stating he had two contacts with Natalee

the KLPD goes to his house first and digs up the yard and runs ground penetrating radar/sonar all over the dump

allegations - premeditated murder

uses internet to look up effects of drugs and alcohol on teenagers

uses internet to look up phone numbers of attorneys

smuggles a phone to his incarcerated son

makes alleged mystery trip to Florida after Natalee disappears

is caught on casino video sitting right next to Natalee after he allegedly left the casino

is spotted by Fred Golba in the rock area and their eyes lock

gets job working for his son's attorney


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« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2008, 04:43:31 PM »

Book Due on Natalee Suspect

Posted Thu. Feb. 21, 2008 7:04am by Page Six

PATRICK van der Eem, the Dutchman who befriended Natalee Holloway's suspected killer, Joran van der Sloot, and got him to admit dumping her body in the Aruban sea, is peddling his story. Insiders say van der Eem, who's represented by David Vigliano Associates, is selling a book about his bizarre friendship with van der Sloot. Included in the tome would be transcripts of 20 hours of video he made of van der Sloot that no one except the Aruban prosecutor has seen and in which the cocky youth reportedly made self-incriminating statements. In the tapes, van der Sloot claimed he and a friend got rid of Holloway's body after she mysteriously died of a seizure while having sex with him. An insider said, "The tapes, and Patrick's interaction with Joran, paint a picture of a guy who has the same capacity to project innocence and the cold-blooded demeanor that enabled him to lie for three years about the events of that tragic night in Aruba." Van der Eem also has hundreds of never before revealed text messages from van der Sloot and exclusive photos.

http://www.pagesix.com/story/book+due+natalee+suspect

I guess we now know that Hans DID threaten him despite saying he never did since its clear--at least the way that last quote reads--that the text messages have NOT been seen by "the powers that be". Maybe this is why Peter was so confident that Joran will stand trial, he knows a lot more than he's is willing to tell at the momement.

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« Reply #74 on: February 21, 2008, 04:44:29 PM »

Rob,

How about suing to prevent the FBI from getting involved in the case?

Still working in the prosecutors office while his son and them he were arrested?

Did not clean out his office until August
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« Reply #75 on: February 21, 2008, 04:48:55 PM »

Hi Folks,

84 Lumber a home important business is offering a free trip to Aruba in their rewards program.

http://www.84lumber.com/InnerCircle/default.asp

This is listed under Press releases...

PRESS ROOM

http://www.84lumber.com/pressroom/default.asp?type=

For additional information, please contact Jeff Nobers, Vice President of Corporate Communications, at 800.664.1984 ext. 1585 or by email at nobersj@84lumber.com, or Robyn Hall, Public Relations Manager, at 800.664.1984 ext. 2071 or by email at hallr@84lumber.com.

ummmm, think these folks need to hear from us...

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« Reply #76 on: February 21, 2008, 04:49:53 PM »

What about his DNA on that letter??
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« Reply #77 on: February 21, 2008, 04:51:23 PM »

The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT talked to us subsequently, and informed us that he did not want to go with us to the police station in Oranjestad to make a statement.

The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT gave us as a reason:

- he would only go with us, the reporting officers if is father was released;

- that his mother and his lawyer had advised him on behalf of his father to not make any more statements and to invoke his right to not make statements;

- that he would receive a message from his father's lawyer when he should make statements;

- that according to his lawyer, if he would stop making statements, his father would be released in two days;

- that he listens to his families advise;

- that the lawyers "Antonio CARLO" and "OOMEN" are good friends of his father

- that these two lawyers out of friendship with is father would defend them

- that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble
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« Reply #78 on: February 21, 2008, 04:51:42 PM »

Hi Folks,

84 Lumber a home improvement business is offering a free trip to Aruba in their rewards program.

http://www.84lumber.com/InnerCircle/default.asp

This is listed under Press releases...

PRESS ROOM

http://www.84lumber.com/pressroom/default.asp?type=

For additional information, please contact Jeff Nobers, Vice President of Corporate Communications, at 800.664.1984 ext. 1585 or by email at nobersj@84lumber.com, or Robyn Hall, Public Relations Manager, at 800.664.1984 ext. 2071 or by email at hallr@84lumber.com.

ummmm, think these folks need to hear from us...

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« Reply #79 on: February 21, 2008, 04:52:29 PM »

that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble
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