Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 - 2/24/08

[Dihannah1]

quote hotshot  from Boston Travel show thread(snipped)

We learned of more people missing their loved ones, they will be coming to scaredmonkeys.net soon, I hope.  Look up Nolan Webster   www.mexicovacationawareness.com  This is his parents site, go welcome them over here. 

I sent them a comment offering condolences, asking them to come here so we can join forces and provide support!
These international trips are out of control!

[Destiny]

But...according to the gods of the Aruban Judicial system...all of this is moot anyway...remember Frankensloot was just telling more lies...I HATE this Bull$hit!   Come on TRUTH....we are waiting...waiting...still waiting...

Lies have always gotten Joran off. If you'll recall one of the judges, Smid I believe, made the comment that Joran lies so much it is hard to find the truth. So what do they do? They give him an unconditional release.

This is the fallacy of the Dutch system. There have no teeth, there is no punishment. They are a bunch of pansies.

Amen Dayhiker!

Joran screwed up Hans Mos' best laid plans. Hans thought he'd sucessfully gotten rid of the case by making one last valiant public relations stab at getting him in jail. Then Joran comes along and gets caught confessing.

To make matters worse for Hans, by confessing Joran also exposes the cover-up. They never wanted to touch the cover-up and wouldn't have to as long as Joran got off. Now they've got their titties caught in the ringer. Not only do they have to explain Joran's confession away, they have an obvious cover-up they aren't doing anything about.

Hans is no better than any that have come before him, nor is Dop Kruimel. They have all achieved the same results. Nothing.  They can't even get Joran in jail with a confession. IMHO they are all worthless.

Ya know...it only makes me wonder more...what kind of insidious EVIL feels the need to protect, and cover for one slimy creep kid...or was this the snowball that got away, and everyone up to the tip-top of the system is just caught up in the avalanche now...out of control...hoping to land on their feet, and grabbing everyone near them, taking them down with them too....

[Observer]

No Justice for natalee No Tourism for Aruba  

GIVE EVERYONE IN BOSTON A BIG MONKEY HUG, *******!!! YOU GUYS AND GALS ARE THE BEST!!!! 

Thanks Dayhiker! We will be back tommorow as we ran off another 600 flyers. We wouldn't be "standing with the girl" if we let Natalee's voice go unheard in Boston! This is American and not Aruba and I don't give a damn how much Aruba spent for being a major sponsor at this show. I know the girls feel the same and are with me for round 2 

[Tamikosmom]

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=2
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=3

Mystery Man in Holloway Case Comes Forward
Man Named As Accomplice By Van der Sloot Denies Involvement in Aruba Disappearance

By ELIZABETH VARGAS & CHRIS FRANCESCANI
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Feb. 4, 2008
A 21-year old Aruban came forward Monday to say that he is the mystery man that Joran van der Sloot implicated on undercover tapes, but claims that he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Daury Rodriguez said he was contacted on Saturday by a frantic biographer of Van der Sloot's who, he said, warned him that his name was about to surface in the press as being the alleged accomplice who took Holloway's body out to sea in a boat and dumped it.

"She said, 'I got your number from Joran, because he said your name is going to show up in the press, but I know it's not true. It doesn't fit the story, so you've got to do something about it. You've got to give me proof [of his whereabouts in May 2005], so I can put it in the newspaper ... here in Holland."

ABC News has obtained exclusive U.S. rights to stunning new information about the case, caught on tape, and will air a 90-minute special edition of "20/20: The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway," Monday at 9:30 p.m. ET.

Rodriguez, who grew up on Aruba and played soccer with Van der Sloot when both men were teenagers, said he was angry that his name had been dragged into the case. He said he met with detectives investigating Holloway's disappearance on Monday morning, and that he told them he was living in Rotterdam, Holland in May 2005, when Holloway went missing.

Rodriguez retained an Aruban lawyer when he realized he was implicated in the case, and said he asked the biographer to put him in touch with Van der Sloot, but she refused.

Van der Sloot apparently logged on to an online instant messaging service over the weekend, and Rodriguez said he confronted him and demanded to know why he'd been named as an accomplice. "So, I was online, and he comes online, and I was like, 'Yo, what's wrong with you, man. Why did you do that?' And he's like, 'I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I didn't know what I was talking about. I'm so sorry.' And I said, you know, 'What the f---? Sorry? Don't say that! That's [b.s.]. You're putting me in trouble for nothing.'"

Rodriguez said he played soccer with Van der Sloot when the pair were about 16 years old, and that, while he knew him as an acquaintance, he would never call him a friend.

He said they played poker together at a local casino late last year after Van der Sloot was released from his second arrest.

Rodriguez's attorney Chris Lejuez said his client was born in Colombia, but moved to Aruba as a child when his mother married an Aruban man. Lejuez said Rodriguez moved to Rotterdam to attend trade school in 2004, and stayed on through June or July of 2007, working there. Rodriguez returned to Aruba in January and December of 2005 for vacation, but was not on the island for months before or after Holloway's disappearance.

He told ABC News he never owned a boat. "I never had one, and I don't have one,'' he said.

Asked how he could prove his whereabouts during 2005, Rodriguez said that ATMs he had used in Rotterdam could show he was there in May 2005.

Lejuez said he provided investigators with the name of the trade school Rodriguez had attended and the company he later worked for in Rotterdam.

[Dihannah1]

Don't know if ya'll saw this on the ocean search thread:

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   Re: Ocean Search - Aruba - December 2007
« Reply #139 on: Today at 05:03:29 PM »
 

My main regret with the broadcast is John Silvetti not getting the credit he was due.  John's the owner of the Persistence, owner of Marine Surveys LLC, and the field project manager of the search. 
Regardless how good of a production it was - Generally speaking, there should never be a broadcast giving details about an active investigation.  When the investigation is complete and no longer potentially sensitive to either the case, victims family, or suspect (s), then sure... why not broadcast it.  It is irresponsible and potentially damaging to do what they did (broadcasting the show while the search is still active) and they broke their agreement with Tim and John to make this production. 

So true!  It's a shame NBC broke that agreement, ALL FOR RATINGS!    Not worth it.  It was a good show, but should NEVER have released pertinent info to the case.   

[Dihannah1]

No Justice for natalee No Tourism for Aruba  

That makes it all that much more SWEETER!  Boycotting the main sponsor!      Can't wait for more pics, video, audio tomorrow. 


GIVE EVERYONE IN BOSTON A BIG MONKEY HUG, *******!!! YOU GUYS AND GALS ARE THE BEST!!!! 

Thanks Dayhiker! We will be back tommorow as we ran off another 600 flyers. We wouldn't be "standing with the girl" if we let Natalee's voice go unheard in Boston! This is American and not Aruba and I don't give a damn how much Aruba spent for being a major sponsor at this show. I know the girls feel the same and are with me for round 2 

[klaasend]

******* - check your messages please, TIA

[Dihannah1]

   I messed up the quote stack!

That makes it all that much more SWEETER!  Boycotting the main sponsor!      Can't wait for more pics, video, audio tomorrow. 

[private eye]

Val to me just looks like a gawky teenage kid. I have seen some other pix of him and he is sort of cute. He gets a pass from me, because he is not responsible for Joran and he did not ask to be born to the Sloots. I really hope ( because I am a GMother and a kinda bleeding heart person ) that he is ok. Same for the other kiddo. Seems that the time, resources, energy of the Sloots has gone into Joran who is going to be a bottomless pit of everything anyone has to give him. And he will still turn out to be a loser.  Hopefully Val had  / has some other influences in his life. School, teachers, role models, heros in books he read. Or just some empathy for others and non criminal tendencies and common sense.
It really must be tough for a kid Val's age to have Joran for a bro. Has to overcome alot. I am just a big suck.     

Nope, I think it makes you a nice person:)

[Observer]

  I messed up the quote stack!

That makes it all that much more SWEETER!  Boycotting the main sponsor!      Can't wait for more pics, video, audio tomorrow. 

Yes,They were concerned about us for sure. Even listening to our convos when we were talking to people outside. The Arubans were primarily the same from last year and all good people except for that Blonde American woman. I have no respect for her at all. I waved several times to others and they smiled and waved back outside. It is clear they did not want us around the Booth and our Buddy the head of security was on us often. Rob Smith was courteous to me as I was to him. Not much to say about him except that he did not know he was on Dateline last night and he was very concerned with our presence.

I took a look three times an all three the Aruba booth looked pretty empty..People aren't stupid as there has been plenty of Coverage lately about Natalee.

[klaasend]

******* - check messages again please

[Dihannah1]

Here is the story from Nolan Webster family, whom Hotshot mentioned, and another group also at the Boston travel show.   I had to post it because it is yet again, another story for the lack of value of another human life!  This one in Mexico....   It's appalling!

“THE TRAGIC DEATH OF NOLAN WEBSTER”


On January 6, 2007 our 22-year-old son Nolan L. Webster and his girlfriend flew to Cancun Mexico for a one-week dream vacation at the Oasis Hotel. This trip was purchased through Apple Vacations and was a college graduation gift to Nolan from his father and me.  Nolan graduated from the University of Massachusetts just 3 weeks prior to his senseless and untimely death. On Sunday, January 7th, 2007 less than 30 hours after his arrival at the Oasis Hotel, Nolan was dead. He was pulled from the 4 1/2 foot deep hotel pool alive but unconscious. This tragedy took place in the middle of the afternoon with a resort full of guests.  Nolan’s death is not only horrific, but also an unimaginable loss of a very special individual. We have since learned that Nolan is not the only U.S. victim that has died at this resort.


The Oasis Hotel prides itself on having the largest swimming pool in Cancun. Perhaps it is their ploy to lure unsuspecting tourists to a pool that obviously does not comply with safety standards. The lack of safety and disregard for security are appalling as well as outrageous.  What truly remains “Beyond Your Expectations” is the fact that hotel employees’ did not know CPR---this fact alone is reprehensible.  There are signs at the pool indicating that lifeguards were present and on duty but they were not present at the time that Nolan was in the pool.


Our family has been contacted by a number of guests that witnessed the tragic events.  Every one of these guests has noted serious concerns about the lack of emergency steps taken by the Oasis Hotel management to prevent Nolan’s death. Two guests immediately took Nolan out of the pool and within minutes another guest who is a trauma room nurse came to assist.  He (nurse) shared the events as they unfolded and the alarming fact that there was no sense of urgency to the medical emergency.  Imagine a trained professional from Canada initiated life saving efforts while resort officials did nothing.  He had to ask the resort to call for an ambulance. It took approximately 10 minutes for resort personnel to even confirm that an ambulance was on the way. The ambulance arrived at the hotel 30 minutes from the time Nolan was taken out of the pool.  When the alleged  “hotel doctor” finally arrived at the scene he REFUSED to treat Nolan. The nurse was told to “leave him alone, he is just drunk”. Nolan was taking breaths at the time.  His color was progressively becoming mottled and blue.  The nurse, in an effort to save Nolan’s life, attempted to take the ambu bag and emergency kit from the “hotel doctor” since the doctor seemingly had no intention of using it.


The doctor snatched the ambu bag from the nurse and refused to allow the nurse to treat Nolan.  The nurse pleaded with the hotel doctor to give Nolan some oxygen but the doctor did not take any action to sustain Nolan’s life.  He was forced away from our son by hotel security. When the ambulance arrived they put a blanket over Nolan and pronounced him dead.  At no time did anyone from the hotel or ambulance crew provide oxygen or attempt to perform any life saving techniques.  After Nolan was declared “DEAD” his body was left beside the pool for over 4 hours.


Nolan’s girlfriend called us crying hysterically and telling us “I think Nolan’s dead”!  At the time of Nolan’s accident she was in the hotel room.  She received a phone call in her room and was told by resort officials to go to the pool.  Once she arrived and saw Nolan she was picked up by hotel security and carried away. This phone call was the only one we ever received from anyone.  Imagine trying to make sense of what you were just told. We were and still are in shock.  We cannot comprehend that this is the way the Oasis Resort and Apple Vacations think such tragedies should be handled.  Avoidance, no communication with family ,and a cavalier attitude, all of which project a lack of value for life.


This type of disregard for life is unacceptable and cannot and should not be tolerated by the Mexican or U.S. tourism industries.  Inhumane behavior must have consequences.  It is imperative that the U.S. State Department expose resorts and tour companies responsible for causing life-devastation. These same resorts must be held accountable for causing the deaths of innocent U.S. citizens while on vacation.


U.S. citizens have the right to be informed as to the lack of regard for safety, security, and life that exists in the Riviera Maya area.  We know that reporting laws exist for Americans who die from non-natural causes abroad but the reporting is not detailed and the U.S. State Department is not in compliance with the entirety of the law.  Any American contemplating traveling to Mexico’s Riviera Maya, including Cancun, must be informed of the unimaginable dangers that exist. Our goal is to provide honest information so that no other family will ever have to live with such profound sadness and loss.


The Family of Nolan L. Webster

[Tamikosmom]

Maybe I missed this last night (I was distracted about the time they talked about this)........ was the trap they found suspected of being a "plant" or merell a just a lost one by fishermen? (I just asked this on the OE thread as well)

The trap they found looked way larger than I would expect.  It looks like something lost by a ship a long time ago, not a small fisherman boat as the trap was quite large.  Did not look like it was planted to me.

Klaas

When hubby (a former Northern B.C. West Coast commercial fisherman) and I were watching a recorded Dateline this morning ... he concurred with your impression.

The size of that trap when compared to the size of the divers ... implied to him that ... this trap was not one that would be easily stored in the Fisherman's Hut or ... could easily be transported in a small boat.

Nevertheless ... I give the crew of the Persistence the benefit of the doubt that a there was a foundation of accumulated knowledge that they were deriving from in their sincere belief that this trap could be the one which Natalee Holloway was placed in and ... taken out to sea.

Janet

The trap that they showed being gone from the fishermens hut was pretty large. I assumed they carried it out in the water to the boat, had a rope on it, tied it to the side of the boat with the trap under the water and motored it out to where they dropped it. That way no one would have noticed it as they motored out, and it is too large and heavy with a body in it to set inside a boat, plus that prevented as much as possible any DNA getting in the boat. There was no need of lifting the trap all the way into the boat.

Thank you PI.

Janet

[Dihannah1]

  I messed up the quote stack!

That makes it all that much more SWEETER!  Boycotting the main sponsor!      Can't wait for more pics, video, audio tomorrow. 

Yes,They were concerned about us for sure. Even listening to our convos when we were talking to people outside. The Arubans were primarily the same from last year and all good people except for that Blonde American woman. I have no respect for her at all. I waved several times to others and they smiled and waved back outside. It is clear they did not want us around the Booth and our Buddy the head of security was on us often. Rob Smith was courteous to me as I was to him. Not much to say about him except that he did not know he was on Dateline last night and he was very concerned with our presence.

I took a look three times an all three the Aruba booth looked pretty empty..People aren't stupid as there has been plenty of Coverage lately about Natalee.

He's concerned as he should be.   Interesting, he didn't know he was on t.v. last night with his B.S.   Your obviously being courteous, as you should be.  But would be great to have to be able to sit down and really talk and let him know how this is truly hurting Aruba and what he will do to get it fixed, if he wants his tourism back, cause it AINT going away!

[klaasend]

BOSTON TRAVEL SHOW  - Part I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztLdXXBvr_Y

[Dihannah1]

BOSTON TRAVEL SHOW  - Part I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztLdXXBvr_Y

Nice Job!  As always!

[klaasend]

Hotshot is working on the actual video they took at the show right now.  She will be adding that to youtube as well so we should have that tonight too.

[Observer]

I met with both of Nolans parents and brother and really is a sad story. Such a good looking kid and the dad had to go to mexico and retrieve him in a box. They threw a towell over this kid and he sat like that for four hours. I think he even said he was still breathing
Really heartbreaking!!!!

I hope Red will invite them to SM Radio as they have a story to tell. I also hope to see them again tommorow as they are great people.

[Dihannah1]

Hotshot is working on the actual video they took at the show right now.  She will be adding that to youtube as well so we should have that tonight too.

Cool!  That's what I'm waiting on! 

[private eye]

Maybe I missed this last night (I was distracted about the time they talked about this)........ was the trap they found suspected of being a "plant" or merell a just a lost one by fishermen? (I just asked this on the OE thread as well)

The trap they found looked way larger than I would expect.  It looks like something lost by a ship a long time ago, not a small fisherman boat as the trap was quite large.  Did not look like it was planted to me.

Klaas

When hubby (a former Northern B.C. West Coast commercial fisherman) and I were watching a recorded Dateline this morning ... he concurred with your impression.

The size of that trap when compared to the size of the divers ... implied to him that ... this trap was not one that would be easily stored in the Fisherman's Hut or ... could easily be transported in a small boat.

Nevertheless ... I give the crew of the Persistence the benefit of the doubt that a there was a foundation of accumulated knowledge that they were deriving from in their sincere belief that this trap could be the one which Natalee Holloway was placed in and ... taken out to sea.

Janet

The trap that they showed being gone from the fishermens hut was pretty large. I assumed they carried it out in the water to the boat, had a rope on it, tied it to the side of the boat with the trap under the water and motored it out to where they dropped it. That way no one would have noticed it as they motored out, and it is too large and heavy with a body in it to set inside a boat, plus that prevented as much as possible any DNA getting in the boat. There was no need of lifting the trap all the way into the boat.

Thank you PI.

Janet

I had not seen the clip of Dateline showing the cage, and what I was expecting to see looked NOTHING like that one. That one was at least 6 ft wide and not very tall. I was expecting basically a square one 2x2 or 3x3. But it is easy to sit here and say that after the fact:)