Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24/08 -2/27/08

[Bladerunner]

"But the prosecutor demonstrates clearly that his criminal offenses could have something to do with the disappearance of Natalee. However, there is still no report that has been divulged about the reason why this youngster was detained mid-day Saturday."


I have always believed that there is a critical piece of the story that is embedded in the circumstances surrounding GVC's arrest. If the evidence they had "demonstrates clearly" his involvement then why was he released and why is this information not "divulged?" 

There needs to be accountability on this front.

WHY WAS HE DETAINED MOS??

[Pita]

Fin, I can't say that is his shirt in the picture below but it's from the same Co.

<snip>
DIARIO has information that Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was fired from his job because police did not want to work with him. Aside from this, Geoffrey is a good friend of Commissioner Gerold Dompig’s son, who also was working on the Visibility Team near the sea.

Both of them, according to colleagues, apparently were always talking about how they ‘had fun’ with female tourists who they met on the beach. They even said they liked to lie and say that they were police so that they could do illegal things.

Some months back, Commissioner Gerold Dompig’s son was ‘practically’ fired from the team. It is not known where Gerold Dompig’s son is working, but Geoffrey van Cromvoirt is working on the beach, near a water sports company. In other words, he is a ‘beach bum’.

Although there is no confirmation about what his role is in this case, it must be questioned if it starts with the link of the security t-shirt found on the coast near the entrance of the Colony neighbourhood. A lawyer said that on this cloth there is relevant forensic information.
The piece of clothing was a uniform similar to the one that Geoffrey himself used. More detentions can be expected in the case, although we have information that Geoffrey is not cooperating at all with authorities in this case.

Hi Blonde, I appreciate the research and info you present, but a date and a link would be very helpful.  It is sometimes difficult to determine if this is new or re-run information.  This is the first I have read that there is relevant forensic information on the shirt.  I would like to see where that info came from.  Thanks!

Tamikosmom, here is the link to the above article.  Near the bottom of the page.

Diario Aruba
4/18/2006

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_16_archive.html

[Lala'sMom]

Blonde
Would you mind giving a small synopsis of the above article you posted? Just the high points.  I read it all and I am not very good at reading that translation.  I think I am missing something....please help. TIA

[Buckeye]

Personally, I have not believed that GVC was directly involved.  I remember kbm/kawish/joran trying to throw him under the bus.  When we first researched the Visibility Team, GVC was unheard of and the HI was not listed as one of their clients.  I think it is too ironic that Dompig enters the security business and his son Michael badmouths the competitor's son.

Having said that, I did save this from RU, for those still interested in GVC:

GVC
Trixie  Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:19 pm
SMreject1977 wrote:
I dont know guys Ive been talking with someone online who "says" he has an inside source (take this for what it is im not saying to believe or not but I dont post lies) well she told me that this is the reason the judge was brought to the jail and not to the courthouse. it wasnt because the courthouse was closed, it was but under normal conditions they would have opened it up. the reason they didnt is because this is somewhat fake detention. To get more info from GVC. The searches in the water for four days seems like a big coincidence that was the same day GVC was arrested. Anyways she says he dig sell Joran roofies and also has info on where she is and the real reason joran doesnt have his shoes. She also told me that another BOMSHELL video tape is going to come to light next week that shows the day beth got there Joran was not at the Casino. This is far from over guys according to this person but then again it could all be bs.
 
 

[Blonde]

Blonde
Would you mind giving a small synopsis of the above article you posted? Just the high points.  I read it all and I am not very good at reading that translation.  I think I am missing something....please help. TIA

[Blonde]

Blonde
Would you mind giving a small synopsis of the above article you posted? Just the high points.  I read it all and I am not very good at reading that translation.  I think I am missing something....please help. TIA

I had it saved for personal useI have  no link
Interview Geoffrey and his Dad......
I'm a VERY BAD GIRL

[Lala'sMom]

If everyone remembers when GVC was arrested it took us all by surprise.  He wasn't even on the radar...so what was happening at the time?   The Dr. Phil documents do not ask for his PV's or Guido's...so how was he involved?  We know they wanted info on Guido's quad racer...which was a month after GVC's arrest.  We will never see GVC's PV...it may not even exist anymore. I am thinking the Kalpoes are out of the mix by now as far as ALE is concerned.  Jacobs already knew about the seizures and they were working the disposal angle by now...we of course, did not know that at the time.

GVC alibi?  Of course we have nothing on that either.  The only thing we can see that is on record (doesn't mean it's not there) is Jacobs questioning Melody...Joran's friend.  14 days later GVC is brought in with much fanfare.  Something happened in between to key ALE in to GVC's involvement...or maybe they suspected him from the beginning and couldn't crack that alibi he had...he would make a good choice for a "boyfriend".  Maybe...maybe not. MOO

[Lala'sMom]

Blonde
Would you mind giving a small synopsis of the above article you posted? Just the high points.  I read it all and I am not very good at reading that translation.  I think I am missing something....please help. TIA

I had it saved for personal useI have  no link
Interview Geoffrey and his Dad......
I'm a VERY BAD GIRL

It's okay...don't worry. I have done that before too.

[Tamikosmom]

Fin, I can't say that is his shirt in the picture below but it's from the same Co.

<snip>
DIARIO has information that Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was fired from his job because police did not want to work with him. Aside from this, Geoffrey is a good friend of Commissioner Gerold Dompig’s son, who also was working on the Visibility Team near the sea.

Both of them, according to colleagues, apparently were always talking about how they ‘had fun’ with female tourists who they met on the beach. They even said they liked to lie and say that they were police so that they could do illegal things.

Some months back, Commissioner Gerold Dompig’s son was ‘practically’ fired from the team. It is not known where Gerold Dompig’s son is working, but Geoffrey van Cromvoirt is working on the beach, near a water sports company. In other words, he is a ‘beach bum’.

Although there is no confirmation about what his role is in this case, it must be questioned if it starts with the link of the security t-shirt found on the coast near the entrance of the Colony neighbourhood. A lawyer said that on this cloth there is relevant forensic information.
The piece of clothing was a uniform similar to the one that Geoffrey himself used. More detentions can be expected in the case, although we have information that Geoffrey is not cooperating at all with authorities in this case.

Hi Blonde, I appreciate the research and info you present, but a date and a link would be very helpful.  It is sometimes difficult to determine if this is new or re-run information.  This is the first I have read that there is relevant forensic information on the shirt.  I would like to see where that info came from.  Thanks!

Tamikosmom, here is the link to the above article.  Near the bottom of the page.

Diario Aruba
4/18/2006

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_16_archive.html

Good Morning Monkeys.

Thanks you Blonde.  Thank you Pita.

Janet
9:00 AM

[Tamikosmom]

Logic implies that Freddy Arambatzis 6th and 7th declarations ... the declaration that affirms Joran van der Sloot's words in the Peter Devries' video recording ... are missing.

I hope John Q. Kelly is looking into this.

Janet

+++++++++++++


FREDDY ARAMBATZIS

Joran van der Sloot
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
 
Page 160/161
After Freddy's second statement on June 13th at 18:30, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30th, the police confront us as best friends with each other.  Some further statements follow after that.  In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statements that I have told him that Natalee went unconscious several times and did not regain consciousness at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that but this also did not work.
Unofficial Engish translation

+++++++++++

Phil McGraw Disclosure Log

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend
 
Name: loran van der Sloot & Freddy Arambatzis
Date; 13 June 2005118:30
Pages: 2
Writer/lnitiator: Dennis Jacobs I Juan Boezem
Description: transcript of a face to face meeting
 
Name: Freddy Alexander Arambaizis
Date: 13 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 16 June 2005115:30
Pages: 8
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan
Date:17 Juni 2005
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date: 1 July 2005
Pages: 9
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Haydee Azucena
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
63
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

[Buckeye]

Blonde
Would you mind giving a small synopsis of the above article you posted? Just the high points.  I read it all and I am not very good at reading that translation.  I think I am missing something....please help. TIA

I have posted the full interview, in a seperate topic under Natalee.  Look for GVC and dad....It is quite long.......but easy to read.

[Blonde]

"Geoffrey’s family confirms that their son does not know van der Sloot nor the Kalpoes
DIARIO Aruba
4/21/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN): It was Thursday that the van Cromvoirt family reacted and stated openly that their son Geoffrey is not friends with any of the people who were previously detained in the Natalee Holloway investigation.

“The van Cromvoirt family distances itself completely from all expressions or declarations which bring Geoffrey van Cromvoirt in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and any statement in which any role is attributed to him in this case”, the family said in a statement issued in Dutch by his lawyer mr. Eline Lotter-Homan.

Further, the family demonstrated that Geoffrey wasn’t working for VCB Security at the end of May 2005 when Natalee disappeared.

But the prosecutor demonstrates clearly that his criminal offenses could have something to do with the disappearance of Natalee. However, there is still no report that has been divulged about the reason why this youngster was detained mid-day Saturday.

Aside from this, only yesterday was it known that the Aruba and Antilles Coast Guard are searching the sea around Aruba with sonar equipment. The search was conducted in secrecy. On Thursday however, the Coast Guard did not continue this search.

The bigger question is: did Geoffrey really meet Natalee that weekend in Aruba?
Previously, there were indications that the Mountain Brook High School kids now recognize his picture. But last Wednesday night on CNN, the mother, Beth Twitty indicated that she does not have any indication that this took place."

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt Arrested in Aruba; Witness, Suspect or Something else in the Natalee Holloway Disappearance

After 11 months into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, 19 year old Geoffrey van Cromvoirt has been arrested. It is unknown at this time what his involvement is to the case as to whether he is a suspect or a witness. Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt’s family runs the VCB security company. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies on Aruba. Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt also appears to have been a part of the Visibility Team on Aruba as well.


Van Cromvoirt’s family runs the security company, according to Tacopina. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies, including the Holiday Inn, where Holloway was staying, he said. The company installed the security camera and patrols the beach. Van Cromvoirt was part of the team that patrolled the Holiday Inn’s beach in the early hours of the morning, according to Tacopina.

[klaasend]

Posted at BFN:

From a Dutch poster in the comments section on my hollowaycase.com site:

On tape, but not in the transcript: "I think she's had something in her drink"

In the transcript of the Joran and Patrick tapes Joran is saying, on january 16: Still, still, she's not doing anything. He ['Daury'] says "What happened?" And I said, "I don't know either, man, I don't know either."

At that point Joran is interrupted by Patrick, asking if he tried to resuscitate Natalee. Also there is pretty much noise from the car. But I'm 90%-95% sure Joran is actually saying: I said, "I don't know either, man, I don't know either, I think she's got something in her drink".
That addition was also left out in the dutch subtitles. It can be heard in a clip on the URL that I put as 'homepage' (quod non) at 01'09"

This might shed some light on why Joran called no police or ambulance: he may have been afraid that he would be blamed for that 'something', whether or not he had anything to do with it. However, if things happened as he told in that car, he thought of himself first.

Here's the part he is referring to:

J: So he came to there.  And he says, "Joran, what have you done? But she looks so sweet, you know?"
 
P: And she's just lying still?
 
J: Still, still, she's not doing anything. He says "What happened?" And I said, "I don't know either, man, I don't know either."

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/devriestape.htm

The Dutch poster is quoting the 1:09 mark of the following link.  Can any of our Dutch posters hear anything??

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/40829/08150258/joran_loopt_v

Same question asked and answered at RU:

The piece we`re talking about is here:

http://www.hollowaycase.com/video_files/dvfeb087.htm It starts at 7:00.

I think Joran indeed says "Ik denk dat ze iets door haar drinken heeft gehad".

I would translate it as: I think someone put something in her drink, or: I think she had something in her drink.

That is what he means (I think) but its not what he is saying. He says he thinks she had something in her drink. Thats all he says. He is saying I THINK and not I PUT btw. He is just guessing as to why she went shaking.

Edit: sorry, I misunderstood your question. He does NOT mean she had a reaction from her drinking. He means she had a reaction from something IN her drink, like drugs!

[AZSunny]

Blonde
Would you mind giving a small synopsis of the above article you posted? Just the high points.  I read it all and I am not very good at reading that translation.  I think I am missing something....please help. TIA

I have posted the full interview, in a seperate topic under Natalee.  Look for GVC and dad....It is quite long.......but easy to read.

Thank you Buckeye, that was very interesting.  I didn't realize the shirt was found that much later.

[Buckeye]

Blonde
Would you mind giving a small synopsis of the above article you posted? Just the high points.  I read it all and I am not very good at reading that translation.  I think I am missing something....please help. TIA

I have posted the full interview, in a seperate topic under Natalee.  Look for GVC and dad....It is quite long.......but easy to read.

Thank you Buckeye, that was very interesting.  I didn't realize the shirt was found that much later.

I don't think it was.  Maybe he meant being questioned about it 11 mon. later??

[Buckeye]

Posted at BFN:

From a Dutch poster in the comments section on my hollowaycase.com site:

On tape, but not in the transcript: "I think she's had something in her drink"

In the transcript of the Joran and Patrick tapes Joran is saying, on january 16: Still, still, she's not doing anything. He ['Daury'] says "What happened?" And I said, "I don't know either, man, I don't know either."

At that point Joran is interrupted by Patrick, asking if he tried to resuscitate Natalee. Also there is pretty much noise from the car. But I'm 90%-95% sure Joran is actually saying: I said, "I don't know either, man, I don't know either, I think she's got something in her drink".
That addition was also left out in the dutch subtitles. It can be heard in a clip on the URL that I put as 'homepage' (quod non) at 01'09"

This might shed some light on why Joran called no police or ambulance: he may have been afraid that he would be blamed for that 'something', whether or not he had anything to do with it. However, if things happened as he told in that car, he thought of himself first.

Here's the part he is referring to:

J: So he came to there.  And he says, "Joran, what have you done? But she looks so sweet, you know?"
 
P: And she's just lying still?
 
J: Still, still, she's not doing anything. He says "What happened?" And I said, "I don't know either, man, I don't know either."

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/devriestape.htm

The Dutch poster is quoting the 1:09 mark of the following link.  Can any of our Dutch posters hear anything??

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/40829/08150258/joran_loopt_v

Same question asked and answered at RU:

The piece we`re talking about is here:

http://www.hollowaycase.com/video_files/dvfeb087.htm It starts at 7:00.

I think Joran indeed says "Ik denk dat ze iets door haar drinken heeft gehad".

I would translate it as: I think someone put something in her drink, or: I think she had something in her drink.

That is what he means (I think) but its not what he is saying. He says he thinks she had something in her drink. Thats all he says. He is saying I THINK and not I PUT btw. He is just guessing as to why she went shaking.

Edit: sorry, I misunderstood your question. He does NOT mean she had a reaction from her drinking. He means she had a reaction from something IN her drink, like drugs!

Where is Clive??  Maybe we can get his picture posted at fok.

[Blonde]

Buckeye Thank You ,I will go now as for the mess I posted Klass you may delete it.
I'm having internet prolbems here today must be all the ICE WE GOT.

[klaasend]

Posted at BFN:

From a Dutch poster in the comments section on my hollowaycase.com site:

On tape, but not in the transcript: "I think she's had something in her drink"

In the transcript of the Joran and Patrick tapes Joran is saying, on january 16: Still, still, she's not doing anything. He ['Daury'] says "What happened?" And I said, "I don't know either, man, I don't know either."

At that point Joran is interrupted by Patrick, asking if he tried to resuscitate Natalee. Also there is pretty much noise from the car. But I'm 90%-95% sure Joran is actually saying: I said, "I don't know either, man, I don't know either, I think she's got something in her drink".
That addition was also left out in the dutch subtitles. It can be heard in a clip on the URL that I put as 'homepage' (quod non) at 01'09"

This might shed some light on why Joran called no police or ambulance: he may have been afraid that he would be blamed for that 'something', whether or not he had anything to do with it. However, if things happened as he told in that car, he thought of himself first.

Here's the part he is referring to:

J: So he came to there.  And he says, "Joran, what have you done? But she looks so sweet, you know?"
 
P: And she's just lying still?
 
J: Still, still, she's not doing anything. He says "What happened?" And I said, "I don't know either, man, I don't know either."

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/devriestape.htm

The Dutch poster is quoting the 1:09 mark of the following link.  Can any of our Dutch posters hear anything??

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/40829/08150258/joran_loopt_v

Same question asked and answered at RU:

The piece we`re talking about is here:

http://www.hollowaycase.com/video_files/dvfeb087.htm It starts at 7:00.

I think Joran indeed says "Ik denk dat ze iets door haar drinken heeft gehad".

I would translate it as: I think someone put something in her drink, or: I think she had something in her drink.

That is what he means (I think) but its not what he is saying. He says he thinks she had something in her drink. Thats all he says. He is saying I THINK and not I PUT btw. He is just guessing as to why she went shaking.

Edit: sorry, I misunderstood your question. He does NOT mean she had a reaction from her drinking. He means she had a reaction from something IN her drink, like drugs!

Where is Clive??  Maybe we can get his picture posted at fok.

Clive behind the bar:



From the CnC forum:

[Dihannah1]

From the previous thread - this was in yesterdays 24ora:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3913/5/#jc_allComments

Busqueda pa curpa di Holloway den laman


       
Sunday, 24 February 2008 

Diasabra atardi e boto "Persistence" cu ta un boto Americano cu tin lunas buscando den e lamanan rond di Aruba pa e posibel curpa di Natalee Holloway a pidi asistencia di maritiem politie. Aparentemente nan lo a haja un tip y a pidi pa niun boto no drenta e area cu lo bay busca. Riba e imagen por mira e boto cu tin equiponan super moderno abordo ta busca den e area promer cu Malmok. Diadomingo mainta nan lo sigi busca.
 
Through translator:

busqueda for curpa of holloway in sea

sunday, 24 february 2008

saturday nightfall the boat "persistence" cu is one boat americano cu have lunas buscando in the lamanan rond of aruba for her possible curpa of natalee holloway owing to ask asistencia of maritiem politie. apparently they will owing to haja one tip y owing to ask for niun boat not enter the area cu will bay busca. on the imagen can see the boat cu have equiponan super modern abordo is busca in the area before malmok. diadomingo morning they will sigi busca. come across

I'm not sure but it sounds like the crew on the Persistence has asked assistance to keep boaters out of the area near Malmok on Monday because they are going to be searching there based on a tip?

Malmok = Gottonbos

Sounds like this may be what Kyle was talking about the other day in his post?  "Things are about to get interesting"?

[klaasend]

http://www.record-eagle.com:80/features/local_story_055100313.html

Published: February 24, 2008 10:03 am   

Kathy Gibbons: Before girls go wild, watch this
BY KATHY GIBBONS
Local Columnist




The confession of Joran Van der Sloot should be required viewing for any girl heading to Mexico or similar spot for spring break.

Van der Sloot is the Dutch student long suspected in having something to do with the 2005 disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway on spring break in Aruba. Her body was never found.

A Dutch reporter secretly taped Van der Sloot talking about her disappearance in a tale that seemed to fill in all the blanks: she left a bar with him and two of his friends, got dropped off on a beach alone with him, they started engaging in sexual activity, she supposedly went into convulsions and died, and he called a friend to got rid of her body.

He was arrogant, his scorn for her from the get-go clear: "So those b--ches ... they'd already been drinking the entire time ... she came up to me ... so the whore jumped on the bar and she wanted me to take a jelly shot out of her navel and I did it ... she's drunk, really drunk ... I was thinking, I'll just take the girl with me, we'll go ----" And then later, "She really wanted it."

Zero compassion for her. It was all and only about him.

It made me sick when I think of girls and their mind set when they go on these trips. They come out of American towns and cities where, if they drink, it's illegal, on the sly, and normally among friends. They head to unfamiliar places with their "nothing can happen to me" certainty, and where they can drink.

When we went to Mexico with a group of families my daughter's senior year spring break, they were all excited about going to clubs to dance every night. We parents were very much aware of the potential dangers and had a lot of discussion ahead of time. We expected their behavior to be on the same level as it is at home. We also had rules: stay together, and come back together, by a certain time.

Still, it was scary. We would have great days with families together poolside. We'd have dinner together. Then I'd go into internal panic mode when at about 10 p.m., off the kids went, on dark streets, where men with machine guns stood guard at jewelry stores. No cell phones. No one to call if they didn't return.

They pretty much followed the rules. Everyone survived. But as nice as it was, I was glad when the week was over.

Because even the greatest kids don't always make good choices. Throw in alcohol, and it's even worse. Every girl I can think of knows -- as I'm sure a sober Natalee Holloway knew -- that the most unsafe thing a girl can do is go off alone with strange guys, in a foreign country, at night, period, let alone drunk.

Before we went to Mexico, I kept trying to think of ways to impress on my daughter how unsafe this trip could be if she and her friends didn't use their heads. If we were going now, I would have the way. It's at www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_qYrEOdTn0.