Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24/08 -2/27/08

[martini]

Joran Van Der Sloot Anna Boat Parody English Subtitles

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/214756/

[Lala'sMom]

Pardon the interruption....if anyone still has access to the information on Freddy's brother Ernesto...please post it in the Shango thread.  I know we have discussed it extensively but I can't search the LCD's like I once could for some reason.  I know it was a hot topic for a while around here months ago..or maybe even a year ago.  Brickell Bay connections and all....thanks so much. 

[Tamikosmom]

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Has anyone saved a quote from Jossy that said:

In this interview Jossy Mansur confirms Freddie Arambatzis-Zedan is now being held in prison. Mansur explains that he takes sexual pictures of “unsuspecting” girls and then sells it. The girls are apparently aware and okay with the picture taking, however not with the distribution of them. No offense but I think if you allow someone to take a picture of you, especially one that claims to be “Locoman Pimp”, you should be well aware of his intent. Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

I found this at the Judicial Inc site.

Is it possible for someone to ask Jossy ask about this?....

Mum ... in my research I have never come across anything that implies that Freddy was arrested/detained. I believe that Freddy's role in the events that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005 was taking photos at the VDS' resident while an unconcious Natalee was gang raped.  I contend that Freddy either went home or remained at the VDS' residence while Natalee was taken to the beach.

Freddy's June 12, statement implies that on May 31, 2005 ... Joran shared with him the Marriot Beach account.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS: Yes. But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today. It has to mean something. There has to be a master plan here. What are you hearing about that?

MANSUR: Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.

What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs. Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 24, 2005

I have met Freddy two times after it was confessed that the girl became missing. The first time I was with my brother Deepak at Joran’s apartment where Freddy was with his girlfriend Carmen, the sister of Carmen and another girlfriend came along to Joran’s.

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The second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house. We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja. I do not remember his house number. We had bought food and we then we went to Joran’s apartment afterwards. According to me Freddy was informed then already about the missing girl. We may have spoken some about the missing girl, it is possible but I don’t remember.


Freddy Arambatzis
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005
 
Page 153
The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
Unofficial English Translation

[Blonde]

Pardon the interruption....if anyone still has access to the information on Freddy's brother Ernesto...please post it in the Shango thread.  I know we have discussed it extensively but I can't search the LCD's like I once could for some reason.  I know it was a hot topic for a while around here months ago..or maybe even a year ago.  Brickell Bay connections and all....thanks so much. 

Our pleadings to the glam-gods were answered one Tuesday night with a very cool party called "The Loft @ Rumi" put on by owner Alan Roth and savage boy-toy, Ernesto "the fabulous" Arambatzis.

http://www.southbeach-usa.com/columns/news-boy/newsboy55.htm

[caesu]

dutchie Felixa wants to join scaredmonkeys.
i believe she hasn't been approved/confirmed yet.

she has found some translation errors here and wants to help out.

caesu - looks like she hasn't even registered yet.  Tell her to register and I'll approve her as soon as I see her nickname Felixa.  I searched and didn't see anything with that name or similar waiting for appoval.

she registered with the nickname: Jo-An

[Tamikosmom]

Mum ... Freddy Zedan Arambatzis was detained at the same time as Deepak and Satish at the end of August.  However ... Freddy was not detained in connection with the Natalee Holloway case but ... the suspicions that led to this detainment ... suspicions that involve a camera implies to this wannabe detective that Freddy's role in the Natalee Holloway case also involved a camera.

Freddy Zedan Armbatzis was never a formal suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

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Diana Emerencia
Associated Press
August 31, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050831/aruba.shtml

[klaasend]

dutchie Felixa wants to join scaredmonkeys.
i believe she hasn't been approved/confirmed yet.

she has found some translation errors here and wants to help out.

caesu - looks like she hasn't even registered yet.  Tell her to register and I'll approve her as soon as I see her nickname Felixa.  I searched and didn't see anything with that name or similar waiting for appoval.

she registered with the nickname: Jo-An

I just approved her.

FWIW - we are aware that many of the translations aren't perfect.  The idea was to translate as best as possible without changing the overall meaning of what was being translated.  Note on many translations you will see a "?" which means we/I couldn't find an English translation for it.

[Buckeye]

Pardon the interruption....if anyone still has access to the information on Freddy's brother Ernesto...please post it in the Shango thread.  I know we have discussed it extensively but I can't search the LCD's like I once could for some reason.  I know it was a hot topic for a while around here months ago..or maybe even a year ago.  Brickell Bay connections and all....thanks so much. 

Lala's

I'll look a bit.  But, I don't remember a connection to Bricklell Bay, in Aruba. There is a Brickel in Miami.

[Kiwi]

Mum ... Freddy Zedan Arambatzis was detained at the same time as Deepak and Satish at the end of August.  However ... Freddy was not detained in connection with the Natalee Holloway case but ... the suspicions that led to this detainment ... suspicions that involve a camera implies to this wannabe detective that Freddy's role in the Natalee Holloway case also involved a camera.

Freddy Zedan Armbatzis was never a formal suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

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Diana Emerencia
Associated Press
August 31, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050831/aruba.shtml

Klaasend good afternoon- I noticed Freddy's age is listed as 21 here for 2005. That would put Freddy approx 4 years older than Joran. Noticed he was not arrested for this case. Still it lines up with Jorans recent confession fairly well.

[Frijole]

Joran Van Der Sloot Anna Boat Parody English Subtitles

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/214756/

Martini,

Thank you for posting the English subtitles.  I loved the video but always wondered what they were saying... love the dark humor in it.  Hope it's played over and over so to remind Joran that the whole world knows what he did.

Again, thanks.

[Nut44x4]

SOL@BFN asks Oceanexplorer:

Assuming that the Persistence mission is truncated due to funding, can you comment on any of the other targets uncovered during this journey?  if I recall correctly , I read there were approx. (150) identified.  Have you eliminated these in order to continue mapping the area - or would you consider returning to get a better look at past identified targets?  Have you categorized any by size, shape, etc?  What will be done with the final list?

As always, thanks for your feedback.

Sol


Oceanexplorer's reply:
When the search is concluded and the investigation completed I will perhaps be able to comment in greater detail about targets.  For now, mum's the word.  Dateline should have followed the same protocol.  I'm sorry I can't be more help here for now.
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[Nut44x4]

Joran seems to have faded out of the Dutch spotlight...shouldn't he be re-entering society soon?? 

[Nut44x4]

LOL.....there are a million of these out there, lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0HGl4eo2KM&feature=related

[Jo-An]

Hello everyone!

Another Dutchie here offering translation help.
I'm really impressed with the work you've doing for the last 3 years.
I take my hat off to all you monkeys who keep the fire burning for Natalee!
 

I also have a colleague who might understand Papiamento. He's been vacationing for the last couple of weeks but he'll be back at work tomorrow, so I'll ask him then.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Welcome, Jo-An.  It's nice to have Dutchies aboard and translations that don't make you  ....

[Dihannah1]

Hello everyone!

Another Dutchie here offering translation help.
I'm really impressed with the work you've doing for the last 3 years.
I take my hat off to all you monkeys who keep the fire burning for Natalee!
 

I also have a colleague who might understand Papiamento. He's been vacationing for the last couple of weeks but he'll be back at work tomorrow, so I'll ask him then.

Welcom Jo-An!    We appreciate the Dutch posters and all the help you've all provided!  Looking forward to chatting with you!

It's a little slow in here today,  I'm here trying to catch up.    Caesu told us you'd be here. 

[Dihannah1]

Unless I missed it,  there was a story in Pap posted yesterday that needed translated about the Persistance.  Did I miss it anybody, or should I bring it over for Jo to translate?

[martini]

For what avail
the plough and sail
or land , or life
if freedom fail?

Are there any Bird Sanctuarys on Aruba?

[Jo-An]

Buckeye i can t say with 100% certainty but he could also have said: Ik denk dat ze teveel te drinken heeft gehad
which means : I think she had too much too drink.

I've listened to that piece and I'm also pretty sure that he says: I think she had too much to drink.

[Dihannah1]

Joran seems to have faded out of the Dutch spotlight...shouldn't he be re-entering society soon?? 

Yes, Unless his family has him locked up or tied down,  narcissists can usually never keep there mouths shut for long!