Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24/08 -2/27/08

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O/T - 8 power plants down in south Florida

420,000 people without power

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[martini]

Nancy Grace for June 15, 2005, CNNHN

GRACE: Are the local Aruba police interrogating them or has the FBI taken a crack at it?

PENHAUL: The FBI are down here in a support role. In some sense, as an advisory role. In all senses, they`re guests of the Aruban authorities here. That said, we have heard from law enforcement sources that there is close cooperation, that FBI agents are sitting in on all those interrogations, that FBI agents yesterday, for example, at least five agents, were present during that search by the Marriott Hotel.

Also, a police dog and its handler from Miami-Dade police force was there helping with that search. So there does appear to be close cooperation. Together with, of course, that blood sample, suspected blood sample, that in fact was sent to the FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia. And that was the FBI that sent the test results back negative.

[jackb]

I agree.

Hans most likely knew by listening to wire taps.
Hans arranged for the entire arrest FARCE back in December.

This also explains why there was no new evidence to hold them with.

Hans knew what was going on and he set this whole thing up for reasons Janet mentions above.

It is very possible that Han Mos' office and home has been bugged and they know every move.  They have done so much, they would not, at all be above that.  It would be quite simple, really to do this.  His car, his home, and (chas croes) his phones.  No thing.  They are playing for keeps.  To keep what they have and for some their lives.      Jack B

[AZSunny]

MF added:

The report came back this morning stating that the tests exclude Natalee Holloway.

The OM will release a statement later today.

Last edited by MF on Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:30 pm; edited 1 time in total

I am puzzled how the tests could be return so quickly.  Is this from a find yesterday, or a previous find they sent for testings? Clearly I have missed something, again.

[vms]

MF added:

The report came back this morning stating that the tests exclude Natalee Holloway.

The OM will release a statement later today.

Last edited by MF on Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:30 pm; edited 1 time in total

I am puzzled how the tests could be return so quickly.  Is this from a find yesterday, or a previous find they sent for testings? Clearly I have missed something, again.

MF was asked:  Do you have any idea when this was found?

MF answered:  Not sure, the info leaked at that time I posted the thread back in January, so it could have been days or weeks before that.

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MF added:

The report came back this morning stating that the tests exclude Natalee Holloway.

The OM will release a statement later today.

Last edited by MF on Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:30 pm; edited 1 time in total

I am puzzled how the tests could be return so quickly.  Is this from a find yesterday, or a previous find they sent for testings? Clearly I have missed something, again.

MF just posted something about it first "leaking" back in January so it could have been found a while ago.  I think we need to wait for something official from the prosecutors office or the Persistence crew.

[private eye]

O/T - 8 power plants down in south Florida

420,000 people without power

O/T They said it peaked at 4,000,000

But does anyone think that Hans arresting the boys the day before the taping was to begin was on purpose? Perhaps to plan the response? Didn't Patrick mention that? Of course, I can't believe that Joran's script would have been written that way, and Joran seemed genuinely panicked and out of control when the sting was announced.

[martini]

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[Ree]

MF added:

The report came back this morning stating that the tests exclude Natalee Holloway.

The OM will release a statement later today.

Last edited by MF on Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:30 pm; edited 1 time in total

I am puzzled how the tests could be return so quickly.  Is this from a find yesterday, or a previous find they sent for testings? Clearly I have missed something, again.

MF just posted something about it first "leaking" back in January so it could have been found a while ago.  I think we need to wait for something official from the prosecutors office or the Persistence crew.

This could be from the trap we saw on Dateline.  They said samples had been sent to the FBI.

[Blonde]

My thoughts as well,that cage could have held someone's DNA, but NOT  Natalee's

[Ree]

My thoughts as well,that cage could have held someone's DNA, but NOT  Natalee's

If it's from the cage, then whatever it was had been well preserved enough so that the divers knew to give a thumbs down to Persistance, but know that it was a body.

[Observer]

My thoughts as well,that cage could have held someone's DNA, but NOT  Natalee's

If it's from the cage, then whatever it was had been well preserved enough so that the divers knew to give a thumbs down to Persistance, but know that it was a body.

I doubt it was retrieved from that cage we saw on dateline that was filmed at the end of December. Probably another target that they had found since that time.MO

[martini]

O/T - 8 power plants down in south Florida

420,000 people without power

Does Florida have rats?

~~~~~~~~
St. Maarten: The Dutch side was plunged into pitch darkness for three hours Saturday night when a wandering rat caused a short circuit at Cay Bay power plant. The outage, which started at 9:05pm, continued until 12:56am, when power was restored to the last affected district.

The electrocuted rat was found by utilities company GEBE personnel at the bottom of the only open high voltage cubicle in the power plant just after the short circuit occurred. 

[ala_gunslinger]

I had thoughts that if they ever did this ocean search they might find other human remains there in the water. I wonder who did the DNA test that excluded Natalee? I didn't think Aruba had any place there like Quantico or NFI to do forensic testing?

MF edited the post:

The earlier report that the Persistance has found something has now been confirmed.
Human remains were found and these sent to the FBI lab in Quantico.

The report came back this morning stating that the tests exclude Natalee Holloway.

The OM will release a statement later today.

Hey all ya'll!  Just got to get my 2 cents in on this.

I am sure the cause of death will be ruled a suicide or natural causes!   

[Ree]

I had thoughts that if they ever did this ocean search they might find other human remains there in the water. I wonder who did the DNA test that excluded Natalee? I didn't think Aruba had any place there like Quantico or NFI to do forensic testing?

MF edited the post:

The earlier report that the Persistance has found something has now been confirmed.
Human remains were found and these sent to the FBI lab in Quantico.

The report came back this morning stating that the tests exclude Natalee Holloway.

The OM will release a statement later today.

Hey all ya'll!  Just got to get my 2 cents in on this.

I am sure the cause of death will be ruled a suicide or natural causes!   

Well, if one can gut themself and set themself on fire, certainly they could crawl into a crab trap and drown themself.  Geez...such doubting a Thomas

[Blonde]

I found this at RU and it makes sence

LovelyPigeon Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:40 pm   


Fri 25-Jan
Special Notice:
By John Silvetti-
The original search area surveyed by the R/V Persistence was selected based on numerous pieces of information provided by Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, investigations,interrogations, depositions and other information from local authorities. After compiling and reviewing the information, the search area was selected by Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti. Upon completion of the sonar runs in this area, 65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar. Divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions made several dives and retrieved samples which were delivered for analysis. Several targets in this first survey grid yet remain to be investigated by ROV which will occur in approximately one week when ROV dive operations recommence.

I don't think the tests were "just" conducted, but are results of some of those dives by the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions in which divers "retrieved samples" that were delivered for analysis. My doubts lie in the sample which has produced a positive (if the report is accurate) coming from the fish trap we saw on Dateline.

I suspect at least one of those dives, probably on a wreck, could have produced human remains, even if they're fairly ancient. 

[truthseeker2]

I found this at RU and it makes sence

LovelyPigeon Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:40 pm   


Fri 25-Jan
Special Notice:
By John Silvetti-
The original search area surveyed by the R/V Persistence was selected based on numerous pieces of information provided by Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, investigations,interrogations, depositions and other information from local authorities. After compiling and reviewing the information, the search area was selected by Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti. Upon completion of the sonar runs in this area, 65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar. Divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions made several dives and retrieved samples which were delivered for analysis. Several targets in this first survey grid yet remain to be investigated by ROV which will occur in approximately one week when ROV dive operations recommence.

I don't think the tests were "just" conducted, but are results of some of those dives by the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions in which divers "retrieved samples" that were delivered for analysis. My doubts lie in the sample which has produced a positive (if the report is accurate) coming from the fish trap we saw on Dateline.

I suspect at least one of those dives, probably on a wreck, could have produced human remains, even if they're fairly ancient. 

  This concerns me.  Can this be trusted?   

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Maybe we should just wait for an OFFICIAL report/press release on it?