Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24/08 -2/27/08

[Ree]

I found this at RU and it makes sence

LovelyPigeon Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:40 pm   


Fri 25-Jan
Special Notice:
By John Silvetti-
The original search area surveyed by the R/V Persistence was selected based on numerous pieces of information provided by Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, investigations,interrogations, depositions and other information from local authorities. After compiling and reviewing the information, the search area was selected by Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti. Upon completion of the sonar runs in this area, 65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar. Divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions made several dives and retrieved samples which were delivered for analysis. Several targets in this first survey grid yet remain to be investigated by ROV which will occur in approximately one week when ROV dive operations recommence.

I don't think the tests were "just" conducted, but are results of some of those dives by the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions in which divers "retrieved samples" that were delivered for analysis. My doubts lie in the sample which has produced a positive (if the report is accurate) coming from the fish trap we saw on Dateline.

I suspect at least one of those dives, probably on a wreck, could have produced human remains, even if they're fairly ancient. 

  This concerns me.  Can this be trusted?   

Somehow I just don't see them wasting time on "ancient" wrecks right now.

[vms]

MF Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:54 pm    

Press release

Postbus 1163, Oranjestad, Aruba
Havenstraat 2
Oranjestad
Aruba

T ++ (297) 521 4100
F ++ (297) 521 4190


To All media

From The Public Prosecutor’s Office


Date February 26, 2007

Pages 1

Cloth found in crab trap not a match with sample of blouse Holloway, according to FBI Laboratory.

The Prosecutors’ Office of Aruba has received the results of the comparison tests done by the FBI Laboratory in the United States of America on clothing, cloth or a textile of some type recovered in January 2008 by an Aruban dive team inside a crab trap in about 90 feet of water, off the coast of Aruba. The Aruban dive team was directed to the crab trap by the crew of the vessel “Persistence” that is conducting a sea search looking for the body of Natalee Holloway. The Persistence is searching for a crab trap based on the story that the body of Natalee Holloway was disposed of and placed in a similar device.

The Aruban Police requested the FBI Laboratory to process the cloth, because the Laboratory already had a sample of the exact match of the type of material of Natalee Holloway’s blouse. The FBI Laboratory received that material on the 22nd of January 2008.

On the 25th of February 2008, the Prosecutors’ Office received the official report from the FBI Laboratory that showed that the two materials were not a match. 

[Tamikosmom]

According to Jaime Alberto Carrasquilia's declaration he was contacted by Joran van der Sloot with an offer to go to Carlos 'N Charlies prior to Joran's encounter with Natalee at the Black Jack tables but ... according to Joran van der Sloot ... he had to be pursuaded to go Carlos 'N Charlies by the Mountain Brook students just prior to leaving the Excelsior Casino.

Obviously ... Joran van der Sloot had accumulated prior knowledge that the Mountain Brook students were planning to go to Carlos 'N Charlies.

However ... I do not believe at this point any specific target had yet been focus on.  I contend that fate handed Natalee to Joran on a silver platter when Natalee greeted him as he walk through the doors of Carlos 'N Charlies at 12:30 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++


Jaime Alberto Carrasquilia
Witness Statement
June 17, 2005

On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone ....

Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there. According to me I had said to Joran that I would let him know later that day whether or not I would go out with him that night. I had also said to Joran that I had to work the next day. According to me I was phoned later that day by Joran again but I hadn't answered my mobile phone ...

On May 29th 2005 I stayed home and slept. I went to bed at approximately 22.00 hours.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=197.msg32908;topicseen#msg32908


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too. This was according to me until 21.30 to 22.00 hours. I went to walk around in the casino and after that went to the "Blackjack" table to play blackjack. While I was sitting at the table the girl "Natalee" that is missing now to the blackjack table together with her friends.

The girlfriends of the girl asked me if I was going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. I told them that I couldn't do that because I had school tomorrow. The girls kept insisting that I should meet them at "Carlos & Charlies" because it was their last night on Aruba. After they kept insisting I agreed to meet with at "Carlos & Charlies".
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.msg29581;topicseen#msg29581


Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report'
August 4, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  Well, this is a young beautiful blonde tourist from New Jersey, and she has had an encounter with Joran van der Sloot.  And it was in April of '05 at Carlos 'n Charlie's. 

CROWLEY:  Why do you think she came forward now, Beth? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  You know, I—you know, I think it's just a matter of time before other—other young girls will begin to do this.  I am quite certain now, with her recount of events of the night in April of '05, that there are probably numerous others.  If you want me to describe some of the details of that night, I'd be glad to. 

CROWLEY:  Yes, please.  Please, Beth, tell us specifically what this witness told you about her particular encounter with Joran. 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Well, I think it—and, as I describe it, it becomes clearer to me that Joran and Deepak and Satish have a pretty good long history together, and I think they also—you know, I know it's been a well—true of the well established predatory type behavior. 

You know, he enters Carlos 'n Charlie's—and something I think is unique about this is, Joran is able to enter it on the left side, vs. the right side, which I believe you have to have an I.D. presented at the time.  On the left side, you must get a special privilege.  I don't know if it's a VIP card, or I don't know what a person might have to enter the establishment on that side. 

He comes into the bar.  Of course, it's getting close to closing time.  Tends to be his pattern.  Approaches this group of three tourists.  Immediately—you know what is so unusual about this is, as he is approaching them, he also takes them around Carlos 'n Charlie's.

And it was so remarkable how he knew everyone and everyone knew him, from giving this grip handshake to all the guys, to kiss on the cheeks to the girls, actually points out Deepak and Satish Kalpoe sitting on the same bench, bar stools, or seats, that they are seated in the picture that has been all over international media.  So, that must be their little roost, as they're in Carlos 'n Charlie's having Joran work for them. 

You know, he leans over the bar is able to order of four shots of 151, three for the girls, one for himself.  You know, he has an open tab to where he just leans over, and the bartender presents them, lines them up.  These girls had no idea what 151 was.  And it makes me think now, you know, I am certain that's the shot he was buying my daughter right before closing time, or shots of—it was a shot of 151.  I know he bought her at least one shot. 

You know, these girls don't even know what that is.  And, you know, another friend of Joran's is coming up to him during that time with the girls.  And it's a short guy, dark-headed, light-skinned, has to stretch and reach his arm around Joran, and is almost as if to sell Joran, speaking of how rich he is, and just really promoting Joran.

And also, as he is pointing out Deepak and Satish, he is referring to them as his gambling buddies, buddies, and ones that he plays poker with on a regular basis. 

(CROSSTALK)

CROWLEY:  Beth, did you get a sense from—did you get a sense from talking to this new witness that Joran and his cronies essentially had a wing man set up, where they would approach a group of girls, some tourists, and it would sort of be bad cop/good cop, where they would set them up with drinks and then try to seduce them? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Absolutely.  Deepak and Satish were the wing men, and Joran was on the front line as the bait, seeing what he could pick up for the night, absolutely. 

CROWLEY:  Beth, did this...

(CROSSTALK)

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  And he was very...

CROWLEY:  Did this new witness just witness Joran and his cronies on one night, or was this over a series of nights? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  This was one night, one encounter with him, just so happened to be her last night on the island.  

CROWLEY:  Let me ask you, how credible do you think this witness is, Beth? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  I think she is absolutely credible, absolutely.  I sat down and spoke with she and her mother.  And I—she recounted every event, 100 percent credible, absolutely. 

CROWLEY:  And I also understand that she has photographs.  What are these photos of? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Yes, she has a photo of Joran with one of the girls that he was meeting with that night.  It was one of the three girls.  It was not her herself, but one of her friends. 

CROWLEY:  Now, Beth, do you believe that this girl—did she indicate to you in any way, shape or form that she herself had some sort of romantic relationship with Joran? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Oh, she absolutely did not, absolutely.  That did not happen.  You know, he was very persistent and kept trying to get trying to get the girls—trying to get these girls, their cell phone numbers, where are you saying, but, you know, they just—they didn't give it out to him.  You know, he was encouraging them to continue the party on from that—from Carlos 'n Charlie's ...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839028/


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question as to what role Joran plays in our circle of friends, I can state the following. He has no real role. We are all the same.

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.


Helen Lejuez - Family Aruban Attorney
New York Lawsuit - Affidavid

5. ... Miss Doe told me that she was coming forward at that time because she had had an experience that might be similar to Natalee's experience.

6. Miss Doe informed me that, one evening during early in 2005, she met Joran van der Sloot at Carlos'n Charlie's nightclub in Aruba.

7. Miss Doe told me that, over the course of the night, Joran van der Sloot gave her several alcoholic beverages. Miss Doe further stated that she believes that Joran van der Sloot placed some kind of narcotic substance in one of her drinks. The reason she believes she was drugged is that her level of intoxication was greatly disportionate to the amount of alcohol that she consumed.

8. Later that night, according to Miss Doe, Joran Van der Sloot brought Miss Doe back to his apartment, adjacent to his parent's house.

9. Miss Doe then told me that she was sexually assaulted by Joran van der Sloot as she faded in and out of conciousness, At no time did Miss Doe consent to any sexual contact with Joran van der Sloot.

10. Miss Doe advised me that, shortly after she was sexually assaulted by Joran van der Sloot, she learned that two other young women, ages 16 and 17, suffered attacks by Joran van der Sloot under similar circumstances.

11. Miss Doe told me that, in the aftermath of Joran van der Sloot's attack on Miss Doe, she was threatened and intimidated by Joran van der Sloot, his friends and others. She had been terrified to come forward and tell her story in Aruba.

[Frank]

Natalee died at the van der sloots.

It's simple, why did they go to extraordinary lengths to prevent a proper search?

Natalee died at the van der sloots, the evidence was everywhere.

[Magnolia]

Breaking News from the Birmingham News
Today at 3:30 PM CST

Fabric found in Aruban crab trap doesn't match Holloway's clothing
Posted by Birmingham News February 26, 2008 3:26 PM

File
Aruba officials say fabric found in a crab trap does not match clothing worn by Natalee Holloway.
Fabric found in a crab trap off the Aruban coast doesn't match a blouse worn by Natalee Holloway when she disappeared, officials said today.

The fabric was recovered by a dive crew last month and tested by the FBI, which was holding fabric samples matching Holloway's top, according to a release from the Aruban prosecutor's office.

Holloway, then 18, disappeared in May of 2005 on a trip to Aruba with fellow graduates of Mountain Brook High School. Soon afterward, her family circulated a picture of her taken at the beach with friends on her last night wearing a blue, green and white halter top.

The news is just the latest blow to what had been a renewed effort to solve the case. Earlier this month, a Dutch appeals court refused to let Aruban prosecutors re-arrest their chief suspect on the basis of an undercover television video. Joran van der Sloot had told a friend in the video that he watched Holloway die on the beach and asked a friend to dispose of her body in the water.

Hannah Wolfson

[Observer]

Natalee died at the van der sloots.

It's simple, why did they go to extraordinary lengths to prevent a proper search?

Natalee died at the van der sloots, the evidence was everywhere.

I am convinced her DNA was at the VDS home and in the Kalpoe car and both places were covered up to hide what really happened.

Also I firmly believe something happened in the VDS garden as first reported by De Vries and the main area of interest when the Dutch forensic team searched the VDS home last year. It should also be noted that when I did translations that Jorans Apt was located by this garden. Also in Deepaks PV he says that Paul Van Der Sloot was sleeping in the main house when Anita was away and I believe that is where it all happened. They had Dompig,Nit Wit,KJ and Ben King there to restrict the search and make sure that main house was never searched.

[Tamikosmom]

Breaking News from the Birmingham News
Today at 3:30 PM CST

Fabric found in Aruban crab trap doesn't match Holloway's clothing
Posted by Birmingham News February 26, 2008 3:26 PM

File
Aruba officials say fabric found in a crab trap does not match clothing worn by Natalee Holloway.
Fabric found in a crab trap off the Aruban coast doesn't match a blouse worn by Natalee Holloway when she disappeared, officials said today.

The fabric was recovered by a dive crew last month and tested by the FBI, which was holding fabric samples matching Holloway's top, according to a release from the Aruban prosecutor's office.

Holloway, then 18, disappeared in May of 2005 on a trip to Aruba with fellow graduates of Mountain Brook High School. Soon afterward, her family circulated a picture of her taken at the beach with friends on her last night wearing a blue, green and white halter top.

The news is just the latest blow to what had been a renewed effort to solve the case. Earlier this month, a Dutch appeals court refused to let Aruban prosecutors re-arrest their chief suspect on the basis of an undercover television video. Joran van der Sloot had told a friend in the video that he watched Holloway die on the beach and asked a friend to dispose of her body in the water.

Hannah Wolfson

 

Fabric/Duct Tape - Boca Tortuga
SCARED MONKEYS FRONT PAGE
June 18, 2006

What did the Aruba Park Ranger pick up at Boca Tortuga area? Fabric that matched Natalee’s Top?

What ever happened to this material? Why didn’t the media camera man take a close up of what so closely resembled the green fabric of Natalee’s top? One would have thought that they would have zoomed right in to see what had been collected.

On Sunday, July 17, 2005 the park rangers found the duct tape with long blonde hair in the Boca Tortuga area of Aruba. A park ranger being video’d walking around picks up a piece of fabric that matches Natalee’s top.

The question still remains today, what ever happened to this evidence that was collected? We also need to remember that this material that was found washed ashore following the hurricanes that took place last summer. It is highly possibly that the material washed ashore from another location on the island or from out at sea.

View fabric images:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/06/18/what-did-the-aruba-park-ranger-pick-up-at-boca-tortuga-area-fabric-that-matched-natalees-top/

[martini]

Breaking News from the Birmingham News
Today at 3:30 PM CST

Fabric found in Aruban crab trap doesn't match Holloway's clothing
Posted by Birmingham News February 26, 2008 3:26 PM

File
Aruba officials say fabric found in a crab trap does not match clothing worn by Natalee Holloway.
Fabric found in a crab trap off the Aruban coast doesn't match a blouse worn by Natalee Holloway when she disappeared, officials said today.

The fabric was recovered by a dive crew last month and tested by the FBI, which was holding fabric samples matching Holloway's top, according to a release from the Aruban prosecutor's office.

Holloway, then 18, disappeared in May of 2005 on a trip to Aruba with fellow graduates of Mountain Brook High School. Soon afterward, her family circulated a picture of her taken at the beach with friends on her last night wearing a blue, green and white halter top.

The news is just the latest blow to what had been a renewed effort to solve the case. Earlier this month, a Dutch appeals court refused to let Aruban prosecutors re-arrest their chief suspect on the basis of an undercover television video. Joran van der Sloot had told a friend in the video that he watched Holloway die on the beach and asked a friend to dispose of her body in the water.

Hannah Wolfson

OMG~ Is that what they sent to the Lab~
Hello, if they were to move a naked body it would be suspicious~
Anyone's clothes would do~

[klaasend]

I take this news as positive because:

#1  They are testing anything at all found IN CASE

#2  The testing was being done by the FBI

[private eye]

Breaking News from the Birmingham News
Today at 3:30 PM CST

Fabric found in Aruban crab trap doesn't match Holloway's clothing
Posted by Birmingham News February 26, 2008 3:26 PM

File
Aruba officials say fabric found in a crab trap does not match clothing worn by Natalee Holloway.
Fabric found in a crab trap off the Aruban coast doesn't match a blouse worn by Natalee Holloway when she disappeared, officials said today.

The fabric was recovered by a dive crew last month and tested by the FBI, which was holding fabric samples matching Holloway's top, according to a release from the Aruban prosecutor's office.

Holloway, then 18, disappeared in May of 2005 on a trip to Aruba with fellow graduates of Mountain Brook High School. Soon afterward, her family circulated a picture of her taken at the beach with friends on her last night wearing a blue, green and white halter top.

The news is just the latest blow to what had been a renewed effort to solve the case. Earlier this month, a Dutch appeals court refused to let Aruban prosecutors re-arrest their chief suspect on the basis of an undercover television video. Joran van der Sloot had told a friend in the video that he watched Holloway die on the beach and asked a friend to dispose of her body in the water.

Hannah Wolfson

 

Fabric/Duct Tape - Boca Tortuga
SCARED MONKEYS FRONT PAGE
June 18, 2006

What did the Aruba Park Ranger pick up at Boca Tortuga area? Fabric that matched Natalee’s Top?

What ever happened to this material? Why didn’t the media camera man take a close up of what so closely resembled the green fabric of Natalee’s top? One would have thought that they would have zoomed right in to see what had been collected.

On Sunday, July 17, 2005 the park rangers found the duct tape with long blonde hair in the Boca Tortuga area of Aruba. A park ranger being video’d walking around picks up a piece of fabric that matches Natalee’s top.

The question still remains today, what ever happened to this evidence that was collected? We also need to remember that this material that was found washed ashore following the hurricanes that took place last summer. It is highly possibly that the material washed ashore from another location on the island or from out at sea.

View fabric images:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/06/18/what-did-the-aruba-park-ranger-pick-up-at-boca-tortuga-area-fabric-that-matched-natalees-top/

There are so many valid theories that could have been but.

You know, I am so sick of trying to guess what happened, spending hours and hours of time, millions of dollars by all the different parties, the police time, the courts time, the judges time, and worst of all watching a river of tears fall from the eyes of Natalee's mother and family all because some little shit wants to play games and his parents and their friends seemingly want to indulge him and are thus covering him up, that I suggest doing what should have been done in the beginning, which is to whip his ass until he is more than happy to tell the truth. He has said he did it, twice, so we know I would worry that I was harming the innocent. And to have the nerve to say to the world, I know what happened but I don't want to talk about it now, maybe later. Right about then he deserved to be smacked until he did feel like talking. I really don't know why the world is catering to such ways by a child, nor can I imagine what he is going to grow into as a result him being allowed to act like a two year old.

The only good thing is that I have been fortunate to see how many truly good people there are in the world when I look at the people supporting Beth, people who invest their emotions, their time, their money, their intelligence, their skills, but mostly their love and concern to stand by the girl.

[Tamikosmom]

MF Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:54 pm    

Press release

Postbus 1163, Oranjestad, Aruba
Havenstraat 2
Oranjestad
Aruba

T ++ (297) 521 4100
F ++ (297) 521 4190


To All media

From The Public Prosecutor’s Office


Date February 26, 2007

Pages 1

Cloth found in crab trap not a match with sample of blouse Holloway, according to FBI Laboratory.

The Prosecutors’ Office of Aruba has received the results of the comparison tests done by the FBI Laboratory in the United States of America on clothing, cloth or a textile of some type recovered in January 2008 by an Aruban dive team inside a crab trap in about 90 feet of water, off the coast of Aruba. The Aruban dive team was directed to the crab trap by the crew of the vessel “Persistence” that is conducting a sea search looking for the body of Natalee Holloway. The Persistence is searching for a crab trap based on the story that the body of Natalee Holloway was disposed of and placed in a similar device.

The Aruban Police requested the FBI Laboratory to process the cloth, because the Laboratory already had a sample of the exact match of the type of material of Natalee Holloway’s blouse. The FBI Laboratory received that material on the 22nd of January 2008.

On the 25th of February 2008, the Prosecutors’ Office received the official report from the FBI Laboratory that showed that the two materials were not a match. 

Where did the laboratory receive an EXACT match of the material that comprised Natalee's blouse?  Could this be evidence collected on July 17, 2005 by a park ranger in Boca Tortuga area of Aruba.

My theory implies if Natalee was taken out to sea ... it would have been on the east side of the Island.

Janet

++++++++++++

Tim Miller
RED - SCARED MONKEYS
July 24, 2005

RED: There have been reports that a shallow grave was discovered in the area of Boca Tortuga, on the eastern part of the island. There are also reports that cell-phone calls made by Joran early in the morning came from a location on the eastern side of the island. It seems plausible that thisarea could yield more clues

TIM MILLER: We found a site that we feel as though was a possible gravesite. Our thoughts are that Natalee may have been buried in that hole for 1 or 2 days then moved. We have information that the cell phones were possibly being used in that area
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/24/interview-transcript-with-tim-miller-july-24th-2005/
 
 
Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
July 13, 2005

PENHAUL: The searchers were at an area called Boca Prim (ph). That`s on the northern side of the island near the national park.

It`s an area of soft sand dunes. There`s only one road to get down there. It`s a very rough road. You can really only get there by four-wheel drive.  It`s where a dry riverbed meets the ocean. And it`s at that area where this thing that looked like a grave, a hole, about four feet deep and about the length of a body with a mound of sand beside it, was found, Nancy.

GRACE: Now, also, on the north end of the island, where they were today, is that where that lighthouse is?

PENHAUL: Not really, no. The lighthouse is at the northern tip, at the northwest tip. And this area is really on the northeastern side of the island.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/13/ng.01.html
 
 
Fabric/Duct Tape - Boca Tortuga
SCARED MONKEYS
June 18, 2006

What did the Aruba Park Ranger pick up at Boca Tortuga area? Fabric that matched Natalee’s Top?

What ever happened to this material? Why didn’t the media camera man take a close up of what so closely resembled the green fabric of Natalee’s top? One would have thought that they would have zoomed right in to see what had been collected.

On Sunday, July 17, 2005 the park rangers found the duct tape with long blonde hair in the Boca Tortuga area of Aruba. A park ranger being video’d walking around picks up a piece of fabric that matches Natalee’s top.

The question still remains today, what ever happened to this evidence that was collected? We also need to remember that this material that was found washed ashore following the hurricanes that took place last summer. It is highly possibly that the material washed ashore from another location on the island or from out at sea.

View fabric images:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/06/18/what-did-the-aruba-park-ranger-pick-up-at-boca-tortuga-area-fabric-that-matched-natalees-top/
 
 
Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
April 24, 2006

GRACE: Well, Dave Holloway, aren`t there logs and isn`t there surveillance in place in Aruba of all the ships that go out of the tiny island, even at night?
 
HOLLOWAY: Well, there is but on one of those nights, I think it was June the 7th or June the 8th, the electricity went out on the island for about two hours so you wonder if that would have been the prime opportunity to do it. Small boats, I don`t think, can be picked up as well as the big ones.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/24/ng.01.html
 
 
Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
June 18, 2006

MANSUR:  I do know what our reporters have been able to find, Lorenzo is a half brother of Joran. He has a boat. He lives in a secluded section of the island, very close to Joran. I don't know if he was questioned, but people mention his name quite often in regard to this case.
http://sundaynightsatellite.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2006&post_month=06&post_day=18

[truthseeker2]

Natalee died at the van der sloots.

It's simple, why did they go to extraordinary lengths to prevent a proper search?

Natalee died at the van der sloots, the evidence was everywhere.

Yes.  Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles.

[ala_gunslinger]

Breaking News from the Birmingham News
Today at 3:30 PM CST

Fabric found in Aruban crab trap doesn't match Holloway's clothing
Posted by Birmingham News February 26, 2008 3:26 PM

File
Aruba officials say fabric found in a crab trap does not match clothing worn by Natalee Holloway.
Fabric found in a crab trap off the Aruban coast doesn't match a blouse worn by Natalee Holloway when she disappeared, officials said today.

The fabric was recovered by a dive crew last month and tested by the FBI, which was holding fabric samples matching Holloway's top, according to a release from the Aruban prosecutor's office.

Holloway, then 18, disappeared in May of 2005 on a trip to Aruba with fellow graduates of Mountain Brook High School. Soon afterward, her family circulated a picture of her taken at the beach with friends on her last night wearing a blue, green and white halter top.

The news is just the latest blow to what had been a renewed effort to solve the case. Earlier this month, a Dutch appeals court refused to let Aruban prosecutors re-arrest their chief suspect on the basis of an undercover television video. Joran van der Sloot had told a friend in the video that he watched Holloway die on the beach and asked a friend to dispose of her body in the water.

Hannah Wolfson

 

Fabric/Duct Tape - Boca Tortuga
SCARED MONKEYS FRONT PAGE
June 18, 2006

What did the Aruba Park Ranger pick up at Boca Tortuga area? Fabric that matched Natalee’s Top?

What ever happened to this material? Why didn’t the media camera man take a close up of what so closely resembled the green fabric of Natalee’s top? One would have thought that they would have zoomed right in to see what had been collected.

On Sunday, July 17, 2005 the park rangers found the duct tape with long blonde hair in the Boca Tortuga area of Aruba. A park ranger being video’d walking around picks up a piece of fabric that matches Natalee’s top.

The question still remains today, what ever happened to this evidence that was collected? We also need to remember that this material that was found washed ashore following the hurricanes that took place last summer. It is highly possibly that the material washed ashore from another location on the island or from out at sea.

View fabric images:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/06/18/what-did-the-aruba-park-ranger-pick-up-at-boca-tortuga-area-fabric-that-matched-natalees-top/

There are so many valid theories that could have been but.

You know, I am so sick of trying to guess what happened, spending hours and hours of time, millions of dollars by all the different parties, the police time, the courts time, the judges time, and worst of all watching a river of tears fall from the eyes of Natalee's mother and family all because some little shit wants to play games and his parents and their friends seemingly want to indulge him and are thus covering him up, that I suggest doing what should have been done in the beginning, which is to whip his ass until he is more than happy to tell the truth. He has said he did it, twice, so we know I would worry that I was harming the innocent. And to have the nerve to say to the world, I know what happened but I don't want to talk about it now, maybe later. Right about then he deserved to be smacked until he did feel like talking. I really don't know why the world is catering to such ways by a child, nor can I imagine what he is going to grow into as a result him being allowed to act like a two year old.

The only good thing is that I have been fortunate to see how many truly good people there are in the world when I look at the people supporting Beth, people who invest their emotions, their time, their money, their intelligence, their skills, but mostly their love and concern to stand by the girl.

A M E N !!!!

[private eye]

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Fabric found in Aruban crab trap doesn't match Holloway's clothing
Posted by Birmingham News February 26, 2008 3:26 PM

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Aruba officials say fabric found in a crab trap does not match clothing worn by Natalee Holloway.
Fabric found in a crab trap off the Aruban coast doesn't match a blouse worn by Natalee Holloway when she disappeared, officials said today.

The fabric was recovered by a dive crew last month and tested by the FBI, which was holding fabric samples matching Holloway's top, according to a release from the Aruban prosecutor's office.

Holloway, then 18, disappeared in May of 2005 on a trip to Aruba with fellow graduates of Mountain Brook High School. Soon afterward, her family circulated a picture of her taken at the beach with friends on her last night wearing a blue, green and white halter top.

The news is just the latest blow to what had been a renewed effort to solve the case. Earlier this month, a Dutch appeals court refused to let Aruban prosecutors re-arrest their chief suspect on the basis of an undercover television video. Joran van der Sloot had told a friend in the video that he watched Holloway die on the beach and asked a friend to dispose of her body in the water.

Hannah Wolfson

 

Fabric/Duct Tape - Boca Tortuga
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June 18, 2006

What did the Aruba Park Ranger pick up at Boca Tortuga area? Fabric that matched Natalee’s Top?

What ever happened to this material? Why didn’t the media camera man take a close up of what so closely resembled the green fabric of Natalee’s top? One would have thought that they would have zoomed right in to see what had been collected.

On Sunday, July 17, 2005 the park rangers found the duct tape with long blonde hair in the Boca Tortuga area of Aruba. A park ranger being video’d walking around picks up a piece of fabric that matches Natalee’s top.

The question still remains today, what ever happened to this evidence that was collected? We also need to remember that this material that was found washed ashore following the hurricanes that took place last summer. It is highly possibly that the material washed ashore from another location on the island or from out at sea.

View fabric images:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/06/18/what-did-the-aruba-park-ranger-pick-up-at-boca-tortuga-area-fabric-that-matched-natalees-top/

There are so many valid theories that could have been but.

You know, I am so sick of trying to guess what happened, spending hours and hours of time, millions of dollars by all the different parties, the police time, the courts time, the judges time, and worst of all watching a river of tears fall from the eyes of Natalee's mother and family all because some little shit wants to play games and his parents and their friends seemingly want to indulge him and are thus covering him up, that I suggest doing what should have been done in the beginning, which is to whip his ass until he is more than happy to tell the truth. He has said he did it, twice, so we know I would worry that I was harming the innocent. And to have the nerve to say to the world, I know what happened but I don't want to talk about it now, maybe later. Right about then he deserved to be smacked until he did feel like talking. I really don't know why the world is catering to such ways by a child, nor can I imagine what he is going to grow into as a result him being allowed to act like a two year old.

The only good thing is that I have been fortunate to see how many truly good people there are in the world when I look at the people supporting Beth, people who invest their emotions, their time, their money, their intelligence, their skills, but mostly their love and concern to stand by the girl.

A M E N !!!!

All of you are such nice civilized people that I am embarrassed to admit that is what I would do, or would have done, if given the chance, as I know that is probably a negative against my character. I realize that may not be the adult response, but hell, enough is enough. That kid needs to learn some manners, and I just don't think modern psychology is going to be equiped to handle him. He would heal a lot quicker from getting his ass kicked and serving jail time then he is going to heal from this perverted protection and coverup he has been provided. Unless Joran has a face to face encounter with God himself on earth, Joran's life is totally and completely ruined and there is no telling how many innocent people he will harm before he breathes his last breath. That will be Anita's legacy, she nurtured the spoiled brat that crapped on the world, and she is the mother who didn't care enough to correct her son.

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332848,00.html

FBI Says Fabrics Found in Aruban Crab Trap Not From Holloway
Tuesday, February 26, 2008
 
ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —  An FBI analysis of fabric collected from a crab trap off Aruba showed the material did not match clothing worn by missing American Natalee Holloway, prosecutors said Tuesday.

The fabric was recovered in January by Aruban divers in about 90 feet (27 meters) of water as they searched for the body of the missing woman, the public prosecutor's office said in a statement.

Click here for photos from the case.

The FBI compared the material to a blouse worn by Holloway, who was 18 when she disappeared on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the island in May 2005. The results "showed that the two materials were not a match," the statement said.

[Nut44x4]

I wonder if this report today is what Kyle meant last week when he said>>
"Things are just beginning to get interesting.  Stay tuned."


??

[Tater]

It's all so blasted frustrating for sure.I understand how you feel Private Eye but no worries,Joran has been convicted by the world courts and he will never ever as long as he breathes air,will know any kind of peace unless he comes to know Jesus Christ.He will live like a hunted man forever and ever.The truth is the only thing that can and will set him free.That link to the material sure looks like her top to me.A net?Yeah right...

[klaasend]

I wonder if this report today is what Kyle meant last week when he said>>
"Things are just beginning to get interesting.  Stay tuned."


??

Maybe, but it's possible there have been other samples that have been sent for testing.  At least I hope so.

[Bladerunner]

I wonder if this report today is what Kyle meant last week when he said>>
"Things are just beginning to get interesting.  Stay tuned."


??

Maybe, but it's possible there have been other samples that have been sent for testing.  At least I hope so.

I'm with you klaasend, I think this is a positive development that things are being tested by the FBI. However, you still have to feel a little uneasy about the chain of custody of anything relating to this case--we are talking about Aruba here!!     

[Tamikosmom]

MF Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:54 pm    

Press release

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From The Public Prosecutor’s Office


Date February 26, 2007

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Cloth found in crab trap not a match with sample of blouse Holloway, according to FBI Laboratory.

The Prosecutors’ Office of Aruba has received the results of the comparison tests done by the FBI Laboratory in the United States of America on clothing, cloth or a textile of some type recovered in January 2008 by an Aruban dive team inside a crab trap in about 90 feet of water, off the coast of Aruba. The Aruban dive team was directed to the crab trap by the crew of the vessel “Persistence” that is conducting a sea search looking for the body of Natalee Holloway. The Persistence is searching for a crab trap based on the story that the body of Natalee Holloway was disposed of and placed in a similar device.

The Aruban Police requested the FBI Laboratory to process the cloth, because the Laboratory already had a sample of the exact match of the type of material of Natalee Holloway’s blouse. The FBI Laboratory received that material on the 22nd of January 2008.

On the 25th of February 2008, the Prosecutors’ Office received the official report from the FBI Laboratory that showed that the two materials were not a match. 

Maybe Oceanexplorer could clarify.

Why was there an IMMEDIATE "thumbs down" from the Aruban divers to the crew of the Persistence.  The fabric that was found in the the trap had yet to be forensically analyzed?  Apparently ... it took the FBI Laboratory almost a month to make this determination.

Thank you.

Janet

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/

The search for Natalee Holloway
It's the story you haven't heard: the tale of two parents who, even now, willgo anywhere -- and endure anything -- to find answers.

TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

<snipped>

On Dec. 30, off the coast of Aruba, divers from the Aruban police force and the research vessel Persistence were about to make a crucial dive on a promising target in the search for Natalee Holloway.

The researchers had discovered a fish trap about 90 feet below the surface in almost the exact spot search expert Tim Miller had theorized Natalee’s body might be.
 
Team leader Tim Trahan suited up to join the Aruban police divers. As Tim Miller wished him well, the divers hit the water and the ROV was sent down to capture what would happen for everyone watching on board.

(On the boat)

Brandon: We have visual on divers and target.

Slowly the divers worked their way down to the trap. They had been instructed to give a thumbs up or thumbs down.  The atmosphere in the survey room was tense, and nerves were raw as Miller, the Aruban authorities and the crew of the Persistence waited for word of what exactly was in the trap. The divers approached the target and signaled above. And then...

(On the boat)

No it's thumbs down. Negative, not it.

Crushing disappointment.

(On the boat)

Tim Miller: Divers coming up right now. I don't know it looked as promising today as it did last night or before.

Miller: Nothing?

Trahan: No.

Chris Hansen: That had to be a crushing blow.

Tim Miller: It was a crushing blow.
 
Now Tim Miller had to deliver that same crushing blow to Natalee’s parents.

Chris Hansen: How hard is it for you to dial their numbers and tell them that this in fact is not the break in the case we-- we hoped for?

Tim Miller: Probably one of the hardest calls I ever made. Probably one of the hardest … probably should have never made the first one. But everything looked right at the time.

<snipped>