Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24/08 -2/27/08

[Spock]

Thanks JE! I am curious do you have a opinion on Hans Mos and where this Investigation is headed? We were told they have 24 detectives actively working the case. Do you think this will ever be solved?

My opinion: we have heard this bunk before. I dont think the aruban police department even has 24 detectives. This is PR , plain and simple. They have a tip line, an investigator, and several people following up tips part time. If persistance did find remains, I would expect a few more detectives to be added, but not twenty four.

[JE]

Damn!!!  Ya'll are right!!!  I can almost understand what it says!!!

We've been here too long.  We can almost understand Pap.

Anyone know what it says on page 351 of jorans book? I believe i read something about a "deal" and therapy in the last paragraph of the bon dia article.

Joran van der Sloot
Joran's Book
June 13, 2005

Page 156
Jan van der Straaten, head commissar of the police, talked to me after lunch around 1 pm, informally at the police station in Oranjestad. He said: Joran, I have known your father for years. I only want to help you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland. That you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed in a mental institution. You only will have to tell the truth.
Translator - Johanna (BFN)

Thank you i figured it was along the lines of what was in the PV

[Dayhiker]

Posted by MF at RU regarding the report in Bondia that Joran is in a Psychiatric facility:

The information leaked.

It has been rumored for several days and it was published today.

I would have broke down too if I was under constant death threats and misused by adults.

Just because MF is giving some validity to the Bondia article still does not mean it's a true story.  It just means that Bondia felt it was true enough to publish.  Bondia has published alot of BS too 

Followup post by MF at RU:

They don't have an "official" version, they just heard about it. They don't know if he was depressed and went in for counselling as requested by professionals, it is too much to handle for a young person. Or if it was provided by the officials.

I think we will learn more later on....

I got news for MF, Joran isn't a young person any more. He's a damn criminal who has confessed at 21 years of age to voluntary manslaughter at the very least.

I agree with those who believe this is legal posturing in case Joran gets taken to trial. Same bullshit as the death threats and the "young kid" crap Taco and MF still try to pawn off on anybody that will listen, all public relations to try to curry sympathy for the rapist murderer.

Bottom line is that everybody heard the confession and everybody believes the confession except for a few corrupt judges who Paulus still has in his back pocket who are paid to "believe" what they want.

[Spock]

Spock - I believe the images are real but that's all I know about them.  I'm assuming the objects found inside this trap were the ones tested that excluded Natalee

DNA testing that excluded NH, or clothing remants not consistent?

[ala_gunslinger]

Spock - I believe the images are real but that's all I know about them.  I'm assuming the objects found inside this trap were the ones tested that excluded Natalee

DNA testing that excluded NH, or clothing remants not consistent?

We've heard that it was both.

[Tamikosmom]

Damn!!!  Ya'll are right!!!  I can almost understand what it says!!!

We've been here too long.  We can almost understand Pap.

Anyone know what it says on page 351 of jorans book? I believe i read something about a "deal" and therapy in the last paragraph of the bon dia article.

Joran van der Sloot
Joran's Book
June 13, 2005

Page 156
Jan van der Straaten, head commissar of the police, talked to me after lunch around 1 pm, informally at the police station in Oranjestad. He said: Joran, I have known your father for years. I only want to help you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland. That you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed in a mental institution. You only will have to tell the truth.
Translator - Johanna (BFN)

Joran's book comprises of 351 pages.  Could this be what the article is referring to?

Janet

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Title book: De zaak Natalee Holloway (The Natalee Holloway-case)
Authors: Joran van der Sloot & Zvezdana Vukojevic
Paperback, 351 pages.
ISBN: 978 90 218 0014 1
Price: 17.95 euro
Publisher: Sijthoff

[Rob]

Thanks JE! I am curious do you have a opinion on Hans Mos and where this Investigation is headed? We were told they have 24 detectives actively working the case. Do you think this will ever be solved?

My opinion: we have heard this bunk before. I dont think the aruban police department even has 24 detectives. This is PR , plain and simple. They have a tip line, an investigator, and several people following up tips part time. If persistance did find remains, I would expect a few more detectives to be added, but not twenty four.

They have 34 First Class Inspectors. Stanley Zaandam tells the number here -

Bon Dia Aruba
9/19/2005

ORANJESTAD – The police corps committed a blunder in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. According to ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam, who dedicates attention to the case here and also in his upcoming publication.

According to Zaandam, the nominations - of among others Commissioners Bernardina, Dompig, Hassel and Richardson, along with 34 high-rank 1st class inspectors - which are against the law and hierarchy of the KPA [police corps], have serious consequences for the quality and integrity of work in KPA.

Accoding to Zaandam, none of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation.

Police at the top of political list

According to Zaandam, Commissioner Dompig is under the instruction of Minister Rudy Croes, of MEP.

He also states that 20 other policemen were ranked high on a political list. Five others (…) among them Commissioner Hassell, according to Zaandam.

He also claims this is how Commissioner vd Straten was appointed to this case. However, according to Zaandam, this should not be work for a commissioner.

[Jo-An]

Posted by MF at RU regarding the report in Bondia that Joran is in a Psychiatric facility:

The information leaked.

It has been rumored for several days and it was published today.

I would have broke down too if I was under constant death threats and misused by adults.

Just because MF is giving some validity to the Bondia article still does not mean it's a true story.  It just means that Bondia felt it was true enough to publish.  Bondia has published alot of BS too 

Followup post by MF at RU:

They don't have an "official" version, they just heard about it. They don't know if he was depressed and went in for counselling as requested by professionals, it is too much to handle for a young person. Or if it was provided by the officials.

I think we will learn more later on....

I got news for MF, Joran isn't a young person any more. He's a damn criminal who has confessed at 21 years of age to voluntary manslaughter at the very least.

I agree with those who believe this is legal posturing in case Joran gets taken to trial. Same bullshit as the death threats and the "young kid" crap Taco and MF still try to pawn off on anybody that will listen, all public relations to try to curry sympathy for the rapist murderer.

Bottom line is that everybody heard the confession and everybody believes the confession except for a few corrupt judges who Paulus still has in his back pocket who are paid to "believe" what they want.

Who the hell does Joran think he is??
Lying to the whole world for years then confessing with that smirk on his face?!
And now he goes bo-hoo because of a couple of death threats?? Puh-lease...

[klaasend]

Spock - I believe the images are real but that's all I know about them.  I'm assuming the objects found inside this trap were the ones tested that excluded Natalee

DNA testing that excluded NH, or clothing remants not consistent?

I know Spock - alot of different reports on either fabric or DNA and I know not consistent.

[Nut44x4]

Well, at least he is getting sympathy from his RU fanclub. Poor Joran, poor, poor Joran blah blah blah...hope he gets the much needed and deserved help he needs after having so much to deal with in the past 2.8 years blah-blah-blah...poor Joran

[private eye]

I gotta get back to work but I just HAD to comment on the article that has Joran in a psycho ward.  I say BS to this.  If true there is a reason but it isn't because he had a breakdown.  Why?

Because psychopaths have no feelings.  NONE.  Zilch.  Nada.  Zip. 

His ego is to big to be broken.  He never does anything wrong.  The rest of the world is flawed.

No way the Sporter had a breakdown.  My opine.  What say you? 

Frijole ... you are correct IF ... you leave God out of the equation ... if the soul is left out of the equation.

Joran has had a lifetime of being taught that legal and moral boundaries of expectation established by a civilized society for his protection and ... the protection of others ... do not apply to him.  John Q. Kelly wisely stated that the entire chain of events that led to Natalee Holloway's demise would not have happened if a father had not been illegally abetting his underage son when he took him to a poker tournament at a casino on the evening of May 29, 2005.

In the past Joran had received free passes from the adults in his life when they shielded from accepting personal accountability for his actions.  However ... all this changed when Beth Holloway Twitty ... the mother of his victim entered the scene and ... in her quest for answers regarding her precious daughter ... this woman has inadvertently served as the adult role model who Joran has never been privy to ... the adult role model who for almost three years has challenged his lies ... the adult role model who for almost three years had demanded that he take personal responsibility ...

Frijole ... as discussed yesterday ... God sees the entire picture and ... the entire picture is not just about Natalee Holloway ... it is about so many affected lives ... including Joran van der Sloot.  Both Natalee and Joran are His precious children and ... something akin to an earthly father ... it grieves the Heavenly Father when any of His children are estranged from Him.

The unveiling of the finished picture of the Natalee Holloway story just might reveal a young man who bowed and reached up ... who genuinely repented for his wrongdoings ... who not only reached out to God for foregiveness but ... reached out to Natalee's family for forgiveness.

Waiting on God's perfect timing to reveal the entire picture can be very difficult but ... our faith demands it.

Janet

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Romans 8:28
We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

If that is true, then he will soon be forth coming with the truth, accepting punishment, and apologizing for wrong doing, armed with the strength of the love of his Father.

PI ... I do not have a clue.  I am not privy to the entire picture.  However ... I do know that the free gift of God's Grace is extended to all and ... that includes Joran van der Sloot but ... a personal choice must be made to accept or reject that free gift.  I pray that Joran mades the right choice ... for his sake and ... the sake of justice for Natalee and ... the sake of her family.

A conversion does not absolve him from the consequences of his actions but ... the burden of his wrongdoings will have be lifted.

Janet

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1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

I agree with you 100%. The truest posts I have made on this site, posts not made out of anger, resentment, or frustrations are the ones when I have stated that to me Joran seems to be begging for help, pleading to be allowed to confess, only to have his pleas ignored by his parents and his confessions recanted by them.That I think the most inhumane treatment I have seen done by parents is the fact that Anita and Paulus keep this charade up for their own personal needs, irregardless of the needs of Joran. There are worse fates than going to jail. In jail Joran could easily meet a man of the Lord and reconnect himself. In jail Joran could be assured of having a second chance. The court of public opinion is much harsher, and does not grant second chances. Plus we have already seen him applying to join the mob while he is out a free man, and goodness knows where that would have led. And you know, if he admitted, truthfully, accepted his punishment, I know Beth and her Mom pretty well, and it is not inconceivable that they could come to forgive him, but right now their only course of action is to keep the glare of public opinion focused on him, as they want answers. And to tell you the truth, if public opinion can break Joran, and get the answers, then maybe he will be weak enough to turn towards the Lord and be saved. They certainly don't think Joran isn't worthy of the love of the Lord or that Joran isn't a child of the Lord. But they don't feel that Joran is currently looking to the Lord for answers.

[JE]

Thanks JE! I am curious do you have a opinion on Hans Mos and where this Investigation is headed? We were told they have 24 detectives actively working the case. Do you think this will ever be solved?

My opinion: we have heard this bunk before. I dont think the aruban police department even has 24 detectives. This is PR , plain and simple. They have a tip line, an investigator, and several people following up tips part time. If persistance did find remains, I would expect a few more detectives to be added, but not twenty four.

24 detectives who half the time dont know what they re doing makes 12 detectives that spend half their time covering up makes 6 detectives that half the time dont know how to ask the right questions makes 3 detectives that half the time look the other way makes 1.5 detectives that are only half interested in justice makes 0.75 detective to solve the case. But as we all know a 0.75 detective is not a detective. Case dismissed!

[Observer]

My opinion: we have heard this bunk before. I dont think the aruban police department even has 24 detectives. This is PR , plain and simple. They have a tip line, an investigator, and several people following up tips part time. If persistance did find remains, I would expect a few more detectives to be added, but not twenty four.

I agree 100%

[Spock]

I am still catching up and wanted to bring this forward.
Is there anything to this?

 Anonymous said...
The result is positive for Natalee. The blue barrel has only part of Natalee's remains. Persistence learns the lesions from Joran's confessions. The famililes have been notified. They want to build a full case with the new US government's help. Persistence has received a big donation from a hero treasure hunter. Persistence continues to quest and locate the other dump sites where the rest of Natalee's remains went.

February 26, 2008 2:38 PM

[Jo-An]

Thanks JE! I am curious do you have a opinion on Hans Mos and where this Investigation is headed? We were told they have 24 detectives actively working the case. Do you think this will ever be solved?

My opinion: we have heard this bunk before. I dont think the aruban police department even has 24 detectives. This is PR , plain and simple. They have a tip line, an investigator, and several people following up tips part time. If persistance did find remains, I would expect a few more detectives to be added, but not twenty four.

24 detectives who half the time dont know what they re doing makes 12 detectives that spend half their time covering up makes 6 detectives that half the time dont know how to ask the right questions makes 3 detectives that half the time look the other way makes 1.5 detectives that are only half interested in justice makes 0.75 detective to solve the case. But as we all know a 0.75 detective is not a detective. Case dismissed!

 

[Sue]

Sympathy my ass

If he is looking for sympathy it is between SHIT and Syphillis in the dictionary
that is as close as he will ever get with me

[klaasend]

I am still catching up and wanted to bring this forward.
Is there anything to this?

 Anonymous said...
The result is positive for Natalee. The blue barrel has only part of Natalee's remains. Persistence learns the lesions from Joran's confessions. The famililes have been notified. They want to build a full case with the new US government's help. Persistence has received a big donation from a hero treasure hunter. Persistence continues to quest and locate the other dump sites where the rest of Natalee's remains went.

February 26, 2008 2:38 PM

Probably not

[Dayhiker]

I got news for MF, Joran isn't a young person any more. He's a damn criminal who has confessed at 21 years of age to voluntary manslaughter at the very least.

I agree with those who believe this is legal posturing in case Joran gets taken to trial. Same bullshit as the death threats and the "young kid" crap Taco and MF still try to pawn off on anybody that will listen, all public relations to try to curry sympathy for the rapist murderer.

Bottom line is that everybody heard the confession and everybody believes the confession except for a few corrupt judges who Paulus still has in his back pocket who are paid to "believe" what they want.

Who the hell does Joran think he is??
Lying to the whole world for years then confessing with that smirk on his face?!
And now he goes bo-hoo because of a couple of death threats?? Puh-lease...

Hi Jo-an, and a belated welcome to you! Those of us who have follwoed the case will remember them pulling the "death threat" bullshit over two years ago when he returned to Holland the first time. I have the article somewhere and will look for it. This is an old ploy and one commonly used by defense attorneys to try to garner sympathy. I am sure this new psychiatric clinic crap is more of the same.

I do hope this means they have inside knowledge he will be sent to trial. The Dutch prosecutor and cops leak like a seive on Aruba, the defense lawyers know everything ahead of time. We saw that last time Joran was arrested and released. They all knew the pre-determined results 2-3 days ahead of time.

As for Hans Less, I have no faith in him whatsoever. He has been nothing but a failure so far. Wimpy dude, no balls. I hope he proves those of us who think he's just another in a long line of bullshitters wrong.

[Spock]

Spock - I believe the images are real but that's all I know about them.  I'm assuming the objects found inside this trap were the ones tested that excluded Natalee

DNA testing that excluded NH, or clothing remants not consistent?

I know Spock - alot of different reports on either fabric or DNA and I know not consistent.

I read somewhere (here?) that the longest time underwater where DNA testing has been used by the courts is about two (2) years. The bones calcify and DNA is destroyed and not recoverable.

[Dayhiker]

Sympathy my ass

If he is looking for sympathy it is between SHIT and Syphillis in the dictionary
that is as close as he will ever get with me

Good one Sue!