Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24/08 -2/27/08

[Bearlyhere]

Art Wood says the search is now abandoned!! But the targets are marked but they need funding to go back and search

Does this mean they are heading directly home or out of the area or just going to port for a period to see if further funding can be quickly obtained?  This sucks

They must all be feeling "what if the next target is the one"...  Makes me very sad.

Tim Miller didn't indicate it was actually abandoned yet.  Tim said they need funds to continue and bring in the divers.  Didn't Art mention a week or something?  That if they don't get funding in a week it would be abandoned?

That's the way I remember it.

[Magnolia]

Look at the overhead shot....in the bottom right quarter of the
picture it looks like a femur and ribs....that go with the skull
and spine.

[Bearlyhere]

It does appear that the Aruba investigation is distancing itself from being a primary reason that the Persistence is conducting a search in the waters off the west coast of Aruba.

Hans Mos ... it was Gerold Dompig ... the chief of police ... who directed Tim Miller and Dave Holloway to the area that the crew of the Persistence is now searching.

Hans Mos ...

FYI the area that is currently being search by the crew of the Persistance is not based on a "story."

It was Gerold Dompig official position within the Natalee Holloway investigation ... a position that implied his words were derived from a foundational knowledge ... that led the crew of the Persistence to the current search area ... which led the crew of the Persistence to embrace this huge undertaking.
 
Janet

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Postbus 1163, Oranjestad, Aruba
Havenstraat 2
Oranjestad
Aruba

To All media
From The Public Prosecutor’s Office
Date February 26, 2007

Pages 1

Cloth found in crab trap not a match with sample of blouse Holloway, according to FBI Laboratory.

The Prosecutors’ Office of Aruba has received the results of the comparison tests done by the FBI Laboratory in the United States of America on clothing, cloth or a textile of some type recovered in January 2008 by an Aruban dive team inside a crab trap in about 90 feet of water, off the coast of Aruba. The Aruban dive team was directed to the crab trap by the crew of the vessel “Persistence” that is conducting a sea search looking for the body of Natalee Holloway. The Persistence is searching for a crab trap based on the story that the body of Natalee Holloway was disposed of and placed in a similar device.

The Aruban Police requested the FBI Laboratory to process the cloth, because the Laboratory already had a sample of the exact match of the type of material of Natalee Holloway’s blouse. The FBI Laboratory received that material on the 22nd of January 2008.

On the 25th of February 2008, the Prosecutors’ Office received the official report from the FBI Laboratory that showed that the two materials were not a match. 


The search for Natalee Holloway
It's the story you haven't heard: the tale of two parents who, even now, willgo anywhere -- and endure anything -- to find answers.

TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

<snipped>

But Tim Miller says that very day, in October, 2005, there was a turning point.

The deputy police chief saw Miller and Dave Holloway and shared a hunch.

Tim Miller: And said, "There's no need for you all to be searching the landfill anymore." He said, "I think you all need to be out in the sea, three to five miles."

Soon, there was another tip -- one that seemed to add credibility to that theory. On the night Natalee disappeared, Miller learned that there had been a break-in at a fisherman's hut on the beach. Among the missing items --- a metal and wire box --- a fish trap.

Maybe,.................. just maybe,    there is a MUCH bigger picture we are about to see!!!!

If ya'll would rather me refrain from using 'colorful metaphors' just say so.  You're not gonna hurt my feelins!

Maybe ... just maybe ... you are right.

I just wish I was blessed with more patience.  Waiting on God to reveal that bigger picture in so many aspects of life is very difficult.  However ... in my heart I realize ... the missing pieces of the puzzle which tend to obscure that big picture are a test ... a test that defines my unconditional faith ... my unconditional trust ... in God's perfect timing.

gunslinger ... metaphors are just fine with me.  A more simplier perspective is embraced when the topic/situation becomes overwhelming.

Janet 


 

It the year of 2007 a mistake or typo in the post above?

Good catch.

It must be a typo.  However ... this time not my fault.  I just copied and pasted.   

Janet

Not surprised, look who sent the memo.  One big sloppy department!

[texasmom]

I know things don't look too good right now. In fact they kinda look worse than ever.

Sloot on the run and unable to be contained. Persistence outta money and 100 + targets to explore.... things do not look good.

But in some way, I think something huge is going to happen, and I'm not the most optimistic person as most already know. I'm a self confessed cynic. But, it's always darkest before the storm and than voila`.....

maybe we're all in for something beautiful.

I pray you are right, Rob.....I pray....I pray....you are right....

[klaasend]

PVDS with Natalee in the casino.  Jackb did some work on the casino screen capture and feels as most of us do that it is PVDS sitting at that table next to Natalee.  Of course, there are many cameras in casinos and I'm sure ones that don't obscure this person.  Why would they only choose this shot?

[klaasend]

A couple more enhancements from Jackb.  The "skull" from the first trap photo we had and a closeup of the fabric in one of the new photos I posted:

[Tamikosmom]

This is a crab trap from the show Deadliest Catch. It weighs 700 pounds and requires a crane to lift out of the water and a wench to pull it in. It looks like the same type of trap found by the Persistence or close to it. And in my opinion, the wrong size trap.

The goon child could not maneuver a trap that size with 6 friends. The trap missing from the fisherman's huts is much much smaller. The trap found by the Persistence probably fell off of a trawler, it happens once in a while and anyone who has watched the tv show Deadliest Catch knows that the owners of these traps are careful as they are expensive. In one episode, one crew fished another's area and the crew cut their guide line. 40 traps lost, all in a string.

So, how did a trap that size wind up outside of aruba?

 

 Palus may have bought a used trap (ATM) or his buddies in the PD got him one and blackmailed some scoundrel on a large boat to lower it for him.  It is quite managable.  The small boat (PD or otherwise) could have met the big boat off shore and she was later transferred into the large cage to dispose of in deeper water.   Jack

Jack ... the whole theory which implies that Natalee was place in a trap/cage and ... taken out to sea is based upon an alledged break-in at the fisherman's hut on the morning that Natalee went missing ... a break-in where a trap/cage was stolen.

Janet

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TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

<snipped>

Tim Miller: And said, "There's no need for you all to be searching the landfill anymore." He said, "I think you all need to be out in the sea, three to five miles."

Soon, there was another tip -- one that seemed to add credibility to that theory. On the night Natalee disappeared, Miller learned that there had been a break-in at a fisherman's hut on the beach. Among the missing items --- a metal and wire box --- a fish trap.

Miller wondered if they could have used it to dispose of Natalee's body and weigh her down at sea so her body couldn't be discovered.

[hotping]

I know things don't look too good right now. In fact they kinda look worse than ever.

Sloot on the run and unable to be contained. Persistence outta money and 100 + targets to explore.... things do not look good.

But in some way, I think something huge is going to happen, and I'm not the most optimistic person as most already know. I'm a self confessed cynic. But, it's always darkest before the storm and than voila`.....

maybe we're all in for something beautiful.

I think You're on to something Rob....I Pray You are Right.....I think having a Positive Attitude right now along with Faith and Hope is a Must!

[texasmom]

PVDS with Natalee in the casino.  Jackb did some work on the casino screen capture and feels as most of us do that it is PVDS sitting at that table next to Natalee.  Of course, there are many cameras in casinos and I'm sure ones that don't obscure this person.  Why would they only choose this shot?

WE SEE YOU PAULUS!  YOU'RE NOT FOOLING US!  WE SEE YOU PAULUS!  THEY CAN TRY TO HIDE YOU....BUT WE SEE YOU AND WE KNOW WHAT YOU DID, YOU COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!

[wreck]

Wow...someone sent me these pictures (anonymously to my email link on the FP of SM) that were posted on another site.  Real clear pictures of the trap and what they thought they saw in it.  Thanks to whoever sent them!

bmp

Man, that last pic sure looks like it could have been her top!

[Bearlyhere]

Tonights Greta with Tim Miller - Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CFkZzKBviM

Thanks, Klaas.  It sure is better when you watch it.

[anidac]

I just donated in about 90 seconds via the website.

I just doubled my monthly donation to (3) digits and got a co-worker to donate 1/2 his bonus when it posts tomorrow AM.  This person hasn't followed the case personally but has listened to me rattle on for the last 3 years.  He states that if he does this I cannot spend my lunch meeting with him every Friday talking about the case.  I agreed.  No Nat talk during Friday luncheon in exchange for 1/2 his annual bonus check tomorrow.  That's a deal in my eyes.  (He didn't say Mon-Tues are off limits. heeheehee.)

[Tamikosmom]

Tonights Greta with Tim Miller - Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CFkZzKBviM

Thanks, Klaas.  It sure is better when you watch it.

Considering the FOX Channel is not included in my cable package ... I am very appreciative of the YouTube videos.

Thank you Klaas.

Janet

[texasmom]

I know things don't look too good right now. In fact they kinda look worse than ever.

Sloot on the run and unable to be contained. Persistence outta money and 100 + targets to explore.... things do not look good.

But in some way, I think something huge is going to happen, and I'm not the most optimistic person as most already know. I'm a self confessed cynic. But, it's always darkest before the storm and than voila`.....

maybe we're all in for something beautiful.

I think You're on to something Rob....I Pray You are Right.....I think having a Positive Attitude right now along with Faith and Hope is a Must!

Hi Hotping! 
I hope and pray that you and Rob are right.....

[Bladerunner]

Wow...someone sent me these pictures (anonymously to my email link on the FP of SM) that were posted on another site.  Real clear pictures of the trap and what they thought they saw in it.  Thanks to whoever sent them!

bmp

Is it just my eyes or does the white irregular t-shape above the "skull" in picture 2 look like a scapula??

[hotping]

I just donated in about 90 seconds via the website.

I just doubled my monthly donation to (3) digits and got a co-worker to donate 1/2 his bonus when it posts tomorrow AM.  This person hasn't followed the case personally but has listened to me rattle on for the last 3 years.  He states that if he does this I cannot spend my lunch meeting with him every Friday talking about the case.  I agreed.  No Nat talk during Friday luncheon in exchange for 1/2 his annual bonus check tomorrow.  That's a deal in my eyes.  (He didn't say Mon-Tues are off limits. heeheehee.)

[Bearlyhere]

I know things don't look too good right now. In fact they kinda look worse than ever.

Sloot on the run and unable to be contained. Persistence outta money and 100 + targets to explore.... things do not look good.

But in some way, I think something huge is going to happen, and I'm not the most optimistic person as most already know. I'm a self confessed cynic. But, it's always darkest before the storm and than voila`.....

maybe we're all in for something beautiful.

I think You're on to something Rob....I Pray You are Right.....I think having a Positive Attitude right now along with Faith and Hope is a Must!

You're right PC, lets not forget the charity (for Persistence).

[klaasend]

Janet - thank CARPE for all those Youtubes!  I don't know how he does it, he's absolutely amazing how he gets them all and uploads them so quickly!

[kippy]

I wish someone from the Persistence would just come out and say what the thing that looks like a skull really is, or what the material looked like.  A straight answer about anything having to do with this case would be very welcome.

[texasmom]

I just donated in about 90 seconds via the website.

I just doubled my monthly donation to (3) digits and got a co-worker to donate 1/2 his bonus when it posts tomorrow AM.  This person hasn't followed the case personally but has listened to me rattle on for the last 3 years.  He states that if he does this I cannot spend my lunch meeting with him every Friday talking about the case.  I agreed.  No Nat talk during Friday luncheon in exchange for 1/2 his annual bonus check tomorrow.  That's a deal in my eyes.  (He didn't say Mon-Tues are off limits. heeheehee.)