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« Reply #740 on: February 27, 2008, 03:37:46 PM »

Thanks JE! I am curious do you have a opinion on Hans Mos and where this Investigation is headed? We were told they have 24 detectives actively working the case. Do you think this will ever be solved?

On hans Mos: I find it strange that his attitude changed so much. On the PRDV show where Peter has an interview with him he looks like a happy man. He says this is shocking... all we need now is to verify a few facts, the missing pieces of the puzzle etc. And now all of a sudden PRDV is more of a nuissance than anything else. Saying de Vries made it impossible for them to do anything similar is almost like shifting the blame for the failure of their investigation in the direction of others. And since the judges refused his attempt to arrest Joran again the proverbial bar has been raised even higher.

On the other hand maybe Hans is a good guy and someone told him to back off.

I doubt they have anything much to go on and even if they did i wonder if they would act on it.

when the de Vries show aired in Holland most people, based on what they saw his words bodylanguage etc, were convinced VDS would be arrested. But apparently a 2 hour interrogation in which he just said that he lied (as usual) was convincing enough to let him walk. A 2 hour interrogation cmon get real!

I hope some new evidence will be discovered soon otherwise i have this uneasy feeling that JVDS and friends will never face charges.

Then this crap about Patrick having a criminal record. There is a story now over here where an employee of a bank in Liechtenstein has copied records of foreigners that have secret accounts in Liechtenstein. This in itself is a criminal act (steeling information) This information has then been sold for 4milion Euros to the german equivalent of the IRS and now the dutch IRS will use this information to see if any durch people have accounts over there and then charge em with tax evasion. So apparently not only can they use illegaly obtained information but it is even accepted that a governement pays for this.

In other words justice always seems work in favor of the ones with the biggest financial interests.

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« Reply #741 on: February 27, 2008, 03:42:28 PM »

I am so suspicious of anything and everything that happens about this case.  Regarding the fabric found in the crab trap that does not match what Beth gave them...How would Beth have any fabric from clothing that Nataleee wore the night she disappeared?  Pardon me if this was already covered or if the answer is obvious.

It seems Beth has provided the FBI with a duplicete set of the clothes Natalee wore on that last evening. This was so that in case they found anything they could compare it to those clothes. The clothes were purchased by Beth after Natalee went missing.
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« Reply #742 on: February 27, 2008, 03:47:23 PM »

Klaasend:

Local Bon Dia 02/27/2008 Local section page A3 Aruba news paper reports

Headline "Maybe He FLIPED" he is not himself no more

Joran has enter a Phychiatric Center in holland for treatment last week.



Well Well, this is a way that they a re going to play it now...



Thanks Caps.

I blame Paulus van der Sloot if his son has had a breakdown.

The Peter Devries' video recording spoke volumns to me.  I contend that it was Joran's attempt to come clean and ... reveal his role in the demise of Natalee Holloway but ... at the same time ... he felt compelled to continue the charade of distancing his father's participation in the coverup.

If Paulus van der Sloot ... though a misguided love for his son ... had not felt the need to shield his son from accepting personal responsibility for his role in the events encompassing the events that led to an eighteen year old American's demise ... the Natalee Holloway case would have been a faded memory.

Instead ... the burden placed on Joran van der Sloot at 17 years of age ... the burden of protecting his father ... implied that it was only a matter of time when the load was too great to carry and ... something had to give.

Janet

There's nothing in dutch newspapers about him being psychiatric clinic....

Maybe Bon Dia's ace reporter finally got a scoop.

Anita could have passed the info to her.


The only thing Anita scoops is ice cream.

I disagree. She is a certified poop scooper, panty sniffing udder idiot:)
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« Reply #743 on: February 27, 2008, 03:48:14 PM »

Thank You, this is what I have been thinking unless they have Natalee's shirt with HER DNA on it how can they do this .
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« Reply #744 on: February 27, 2008, 03:50:10 PM »

TRAVEL SHOW - ST CHARLES MISSOURI

ST. LOUIS TRAVEL SHOW - MARCH 8-9, 2008
St. Charles Convention Center
Aruba Tourism Booth #61


http://vacation07.info/index.php?option=com_mtree&task=viewlink&link_id=1784&Itemid=26

Oh for crying out loud!!  One close enough that I could finally attend, and that's the day my daughter is getting married.  Crap.  Hopefully some of our other St. Louis monkeys can attend.  Geez I'm so sorry.  I would have loved to do this.  Been sitting here for months on end wondering what else I could do other than sending money.  I'll for sure let SunnyinTX and ldstlou know.  Maybe they could help Sunday the 9th.

I just can't believe this of all dates.
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« Reply #745 on: February 27, 2008, 03:51:14 PM »


In the last two paragraphs it says

Hans mos: At least we can exclude again that that which has been found belonged to Natalee

I respect the work of PRDV but he has made it impossible for us to start a similar action in the future.



Hi JE..Did he say anything more in the Audio recording? Thanks!!

I m listening to it now i ll let you know

Okay in a nutshell this is in the recording

Hans mos says: At the end of december Persistence found the cage. He was contacted about possibility of cloth being in the cage.(He doesn't mantion a skull just cloth)
In the first days of jan. as the seas were calmer a dive team from aruban police went to the spot again
(no mention of divers from Persistence)
Sample of cloth was taken and sent to FBI. tests took 1 month but did not match the dupilcate set of Natalee's clothing that the FBI was given by Beth Holloway
Reporter then asks if they get many new leads as a result of the PRDV show
Mos says: PRDV has received thousands and that his departement also got many and still does on a daily basis.
He adds that they have no need for speculations from people all over the world who are mostly not familiar with the case or the facts.
He wants to stick to facts only or hear from people that are eye witnesses.
Then he goes on about how PRDV has made it impossible for him to mount such an undercover operation in the future.
He says that of course they could have also done something with hidden microphones camera's etc.
He respects PRDV's work and says the way Patrick handled the situation is admirable but that since Patrick has a criminal record they never could have used him. (end of interview)




Thanks JE! 

boy, that sounds familiar.  "we COULD have done something with cameras and microphone".  "we're thinking about searching the area that was reported 3 mos. ago".  "we COULD have asked those question when they were jail".  "we're thinking about writing down the questions we want the mb kids to answer that we should have asked a year ago".  an endless stream of could have, would have, should have, and we'll get around to it excuses for everything that's brought up.  and it's always somebody else's fault why they didn't.
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« Reply #746 on: February 27, 2008, 03:53:45 PM »

I am so suspicious of anything and everything that happens about this case.  Regarding the fabric found in the crab trap that does not match what Beth gave them...How would Beth have any fabric from clothing that Nataleee wore the night she disappeared?  Pardon me if this was already covered or if the answer is obvious.

It seems Beth has provided the FBI with a duplicete set of the clothes Natalee wore on that last evening. This was so that in case they found anything they could compare it to those clothes. The clothes were purchased by Beth after Natalee went missing.

Regarding evidence, I'm thinking about the phrase "professional cover-up" used iin this case and what role the incinerator might played in the disposal of key crime scene evidence. It's plausible that the death of the operator came about because he was suspicious of the ALE directing him to burn bags of soemthing, or, that he was told to step aside while someone from ALE did the evidence cleansing him/herself. Belts, shoes, fabric, and God knows what else they had probably went up in flames and they couldn't risk the operator revealing what he had seen to anyone. Just a theory.
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« Reply #747 on: February 27, 2008, 03:55:03 PM »

Thanks JE! I am curious do you have a opinion on Hans Mos and where this Investigation is headed? We were told they have 24 detectives actively working the case. Do you think this will ever be solved?

On hans Mos: I find it strange that his attitude changed so much. On the PRDV show where Peter has an interview with him he looks like a happy man. He says this is shocking... all we need now is to verify a few facts, the missing pieces of the puzzle etc. And now all of a sudden PRDV is more of a nuissance than anything else. Saying de Vries made it impossible for them to do anything similar is almost like shifting the blame for the failure of their investigation in the direction of others. And since the judges refused his attempt to arrest Joran again the proverbial bar has been raised even higher.

On the other hand maybe Hans is a good guy and someone told him to back off.

I doubt they have anything much to go on and even if they did i wonder if they would act on it.

when the de Vries show aired in Holland most people, based on what they saw his words bodylanguage etc, were convinced VDS would be arrested. But apparently a 2 hour interrogation in which he just said that he lied (as usual) was convincing enough to let him walk. A 2 hour interrogation cmon get real!

I hope some new evidence will be discovered soon otherwise i have this uneasy feeling that JVDS and friends will never face charges.

Then this crap about Patrick having a criminal record. There is a story now over here where an employee of a bank in Liechtenstein has copied records of foreigners that have secret accounts in Liechtenstein. This in itself is a criminal act (steeling information) This information has then been sold for 4milion Euros to the german equivalent of the IRS and now the dutch IRS will use this information to see if any durch people have accounts over there and then charge em with tax evasion. So apparently not only can they use illegaly obtained information but it is even accepted that a governement pays for this.

In other words justice always seems work in favor of the ones with the biggest financial interests.



you didn't ask, but here's my 2 cents worth.  hans mos walked the walk, and talked the talk, until john pauley was assigned to his office as public information officer from the ata/ahata lie factory.  he hasn't sounded the same since.
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« Reply #748 on: February 27, 2008, 03:55:30 PM »

Okay in a nutshell this is in the recording

Hans mos says: At the end of december Persistence found the cage. He was contacted about possibility of cloth being in the cage.(He doesn't mantion a skull just cloth)
In the first days of jan. as the seas were calmer a dive team from aruban police went to the spot again
(no mention of divers from Persistence)
Sample of cloth was taken and sent to FBI. tests took 1 month but did not match the dupilcate set of Natalee's clothing that the FBI was given by Beth Holloway
Reporter then asks if they get many new leads as a result of the PRDV show
Mos says: PRDV has received thousands and that his departement also got many and still does on a daily basis.
He adds that they have no need for speculations from people all over the world who are mostly not familiar with the case or the facts.
He wants to stick to facts only or hear from people that are eye witnesses.
Then he goes on about how PRDV has made it impossible for him to mount such an undercover operation in the future.
He says that of course they could have also done something with hidden microphones camera's etc.
He respects PRDV's work and says the way Patrick handled the situation is admirable but that since Patrick has a criminal record they never could have used him. (end of interview)





I still give Mos the benefit of the doubt.
I don't think PRDV would have gone to him if he didn't trust him at least a little bit.
When Mos entered this whole investigation, most of the important evidence was "gone" or had never even been put in the file.
So he has to work with only half a case file.
So if he wants to take this thing to trial, he cannot make a single mistake and needs a lot of evidence. 0% room for error.
He must have 100% waterproof evidence that will prove the perps are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That means DNA or Natalee's body, or someone who can no longer keep their mouth shut and spills all the beans.
Mos tried and failed in december but now with 20+ people re-investigating this case again, with all of the new leads after PRDV's show, I think there still is a chance something big will happen.
The frustrating thing is that we are not informed at all about what's going on in the investigation, therefore it seems as if nothing is happening.
And PRDV (as mentioned before) is preparing another show, it takes a lot of time of course to follow all the leads he was given and he can't frustrate the "official'' Aruban investigation but he always has a couple of tricks up his sleeve.
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« Reply #749 on: February 27, 2008, 03:56:43 PM »

Aruba should sue Holland for Legal Malpractice since Holland has the liability for the work their professionals perform for Aruba.
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« Reply #750 on: February 27, 2008, 04:03:38 PM »

I gotta get back to work but I just HAD to comment on the article that has Joran in a psycho ward.  I say BS to this.  If true there is a reason but it isn't because he had a breakdown.  Why?

Because psychopaths have no feelings.  NONE.  Zilch.  Nada.  Zip. 

His ego is to big to be broken.  He never does anything wrong.  The rest of the world is flawed.

No way the Sporter had a breakdown.  My opine.  What say you? 

Frijole ... you are correct IF ... you leave God out of the equation ... if the soul is left out of the equation.

Joran has had a lifetime of being taught that legal and moral boundaries of expectation established by a civilized society for his protection and ... the protection of others ... do not apply to him.  John Q. Kelly wisely stated that the entire chain of events that led to Natalee Holloway's demise would not have happened if a father had not been illegally abetting his underage son when he took him to a poker tournament at a casino on the evening of May 29, 2005.

In the past Joran had received free passes from the adults in his life when they shielded from accepting personal accountability for his actions.  However ... all this changed when Beth Holloway Twitty ... the mother of his victim entered the scene and ... in her quest for answers regarding her precious daughter ... this woman has inadvertently served as the adult role model who Joran has never been privy to ... the adult role model who for almost three years has challenged his lies ... the adult role model who for almost three years had demanded that he take personal responsibility ...

Frijole ... as discussed yesterday ... God sees the entire picture and ... the entire picture is not just about Natalee Holloway ... it is about so many affected lives ... including Joran van der Sloot.  Both Natalee and Joran are His precious children and ... something akin to an earthly father ... it grieves the Heavenly Father when any of His children are estranged from Him.

The unveiling of the finished picture of the Natalee Holloway story just might reveal a young man who bowed and reached up ... who genuinely repented for his wrongdoings ... who not only reached out to God for foregiveness but ... reached out to Natalee's family for forgiveness.

Waiting on God's perfect timing to reveal the entire picture can be very difficult but ... our faith demands it.

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« Reply #751 on: February 27, 2008, 04:09:58 PM »

PI, according to Art Wood last night on Dana's show, they have it all mapped and targeted. They just don't have the money to search for another two to three weeks to examine the targets. Art was pretty depressed.



I think they already find it if they didn't let the snakes get it again.  About that distress call.  When did that happen.  Nothing came of it.  Wonder if it was real and when they chased it down I wonder if someone may have made a play.  Those snakes could have bugged every place the men stayed.  They are desperate.  I have counted 46 or 47 I believe were in on it in one way or another.      j/b
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« Reply #752 on: February 27, 2008, 04:16:56 PM »

Klaasend, please contact me off list immediately.
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« Reply #753 on: February 27, 2008, 04:19:25 PM »

Klaasend, please contact me off list immediately.

I just emailed you if that's what you were asking me to do
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« Reply #754 on: February 27, 2008, 04:22:36 PM »

don't be fooled. in holland they do not think joran is crazy.
i guess the story of joran being in a mental hospital is made up.
if it is not, it is yet another sceme he can use to profit from if and when the case goes to court.
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« Reply #755 on: February 27, 2008, 04:23:50 PM »

He is probably in a psych ward for his own protection.

Psych ward=Cozy little spa retreat, cell phone, internet connection with a spiffy new laptop, waiting staff, PVDS bringing him in a little weed...you  get the picture.

They (the others involved) must have warned Palus  to lock his spawn away somewhere for safe keeping to keep his big mouth shut.  He would have to go forcibly, no doubt, as he has been running the family for years.  He has been running the island for years with his bullying and violence.  His family were just the cleanup crew for all his actions.  His dad's sins found them both out.  Anita?  Well she, as someone would say, is keeping up appearances.  She knows she needs to keep her husband as her age dictates that he money no longer can buy one who is at least on the fringes of appearing to "do well."   Just had to throw this in here.
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« Reply #756 on: February 27, 2008, 04:24:06 PM »

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« Reply #757 on: February 27, 2008, 04:25:23 PM »

don't be fooled. in holland they do not think joran is crazy.
i guess the story of joran being in a mental hospital is made up.
if it is not, it is yet another sceme he can use to profit from if and when the case goes to court.

It may very well be made up but Capslock said it's printed in todays Bondia.  Not online yet as the online version is 2/26 still.  Will be interresting to see if it's in the online version once they update the website. 

The question would be why is Bondia printing false information again?
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« Reply #758 on: February 27, 2008, 04:26:36 PM »

If it's true that yoran is in a mental facility then I would dare say it is because something big is about to break and this is what they will use to keep him from being extradicted to stand trial.It just seems plausible to me..As soon as you think you are safe,all hell breaks loose and I believe that is about to happen.Whose to say that the Persistence crew isn't playing the wild card here? Miller said he truly believes Natalee is in the water. He said it with conviction..I doubt very seriously they are going to walk away from a search they know will prove him to be right.Yes,people can say anything on the internet whether it's lies or truth but I just have a feeling that we here on the outside aren't being given the full details and that break is soon to be revealed.It wouldn't suprise me at all if Natalee has already been found or at least parts of her.It makes me think of the Gambler chorus:

You got to know when to hold ‚em
Know when to fold them
Know when to walk away
A Know when to run
You never count you’re money
When you’re sitttin‘ at the table
There’ll be time enough for countin‘
When the dealin’s done..

 Just my opinion...
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« Reply #759 on: February 27, 2008, 04:29:57 PM »

If it's true that yoran is in a mental facility then I would dare say it is because something big is about to break and this is what they will use to keep him from being extradicted to stand trial.It just seems plausible to me..As soon as you think you are safe,all hell breaks loose and I believe that is about to happen.Whose to say that the Persistence crew isn't playing the wild card here? Miller said he truly believes Natalee is in the water. He said it with conviction..I doubt very seriously they are going to walk away from a search they know will prove him to be right.Yes,people can say anything on the internet whether it's lies or truth but I just have a feeling that we here on the outside aren't being given the full details and that break is soon to be revealed.It wouldn't suprise me at all if Natalee has already been found or at least parts of her.It makes me think of the Gambler chorus:

You got to know when to hold ‚em
Know when to fold them
Know when to walk away
A Know when to run
You never count you’re money
When you’re sitttin‘ at the table
There’ll be time enough for countin‘
When the dealin’s done..

 Just my opinion...


Oh, I think its VERY BIG!  Someone is caught between a rock and a hard place.  jmho
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