Natalee Case Discussion #735 2/24/08 -2/27/08

[imnoangel]

i do not know if the article is true, but what i do know is that if it IS true, his attornets advised him to do so. then for sure he will plead for a lower sentence if he is ever brought to trial. and chances are big that he will get a lower punishment if he is in a mental hospital now, especially if he voluntarely follows a program there. it is a trick they all try

[private eye]

I gotta get back to work but I just HAD to comment on the article that has Joran in a psycho ward.  I say BS to this.  If true there is a reason but it isn't because he had a breakdown.  Why?

Because psychopaths have no feelings.  NONE.  Zilch.  Nada.  Zip. 

His ego is to big to be broken.  He never does anything wrong.  The rest of the world is flawed.

No way the Sporter had a breakdown.  My opine.  What say you? 

Frijole ... you are correct IF ... you leave God out of the equation ... if the soul is left out of the equation.

Joran has had a lifetime of being taught that legal and moral boundaries of expectation established by a civilized society for his protection and ... the protection of others ... do not apply to him.  John Q. Kelly wisely stated that the entire chain of events that led to Natalee Holloway's demise would not have happened if a father had not been illegally abetting his underage son when he took him to a poker tournament at a casino on the evening of May 29, 2005.

In the past Joran had received free passes from the adults in his life when they shielded from accepting personal accountability for his actions.  However ... all this changed when Beth Holloway Twitty ... the mother of his victim entered the scene and ... in her quest for answers regarding her precious daughter ... this woman has inadvertently served as the adult role model who Joran has never been privy to ... the adult role model who for almost three years has challenged his lies ... the adult role model who for almost three years had demanded that he take personal responsibility ...

Frijole ... as discussed yesterday ... God sees the entire picture and ... the entire picture is not just about Natalee Holloway ... it is about so many affected lives ... including Joran van der Sloot.  Both Natalee and Joran are His precious children and ... something akin to an earthly father ... it grieves the Heavenly Father when any of His children are estranged from Him.

The unveiling of the finished picture of the Natalee Holloway story just might reveal a young man who bowed and reached up ... who genuinely repented for his wrongdoings ... who not only reached out to God for foregiveness but ... reached out to Natalee's family for forgiveness.

Waiting on God's perfect timing to reveal the entire picture can be very difficult but ... our faith demands it.

Janet

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Romans 8:28
We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

If that is true, then he will soon be forth coming with the truth, accepting punishment, and apologizing for wrong doing, armed with the strength of the love of his Father.

[Bladerunner]

i do not know if the article is true, but what i do know is that if it IS true, his attornets advised him to do so. then for sure he will plead for a lower sentence if he is ever brought to trial. and chances are big that he will get a lower punishment if he is in a mental hospital now, especially if he voluntarely follows a program there. it is a trick they all try

Well, I think its a good coverup for when they eliminate him by way of staging a suicide.

[Rob]

don't be fooled. in holland they do not think joran is crazy.
i guess the story of joran being in a mental hospital is made up.
if it is not, it is yet another sceme he can use to profit from if and when the case goes to court.

Hi imnoangel, I saw this the other day and took a photo for you... just waiting to see you again..

[imnoangel]

Whaaaahahaaaaa Rob!! thanks!!! ROFLOL

[Keepthefaith]

If it's true that yoran is in a mental facility then I would dare say it is because something big is about to break and this is what they will use to keep him from being extradicted to stand trial.It just seems plausible to me..As soon as you think you are safe,all hell breaks loose and I believe that is about to happen.Whose to say that the Persistence crew isn't playing the wild card here? Miller said he truly believes Natalee is in the water. He said it with conviction..I doubt very seriously they are going to walk away from a search they know will prove him to be right.Yes,people can say anything on the internet whether it's lies or truth but I just have a feeling that we here on the outside aren't being given the full details and that break is soon to be revealed.It wouldn't suprise me at all if Natalee has already been found or at least parts of her.It makes me think of the Gambler chorus:

You got to know when to hold ‚em
Know when to fold them
Know when to walk away
A Know when to run
You never count you’re money
When you’re sitttin‘ at the table
There’ll be time enough for countin‘
When the dealin’s done..

 Just my opinion...

Oh, I think its VERY BIG!  Someone is caught between a rock and a hard place.  jmho

I pray Joran,Paulus,and the cronies get what they deserve and a little more!

[caesu]

Okay in a nutshell this is in the recording

Hans mos says: At the end of december Persistence found the cage. He was contacted about possibility of cloth being in the cage.(He doesn't mantion a skull just cloth)
In the first days of jan. as the seas were calmer a dive team from aruban police went to the spot again
(no mention of divers from Persistence)
Sample of cloth was taken and sent to FBI. tests took 1 month but did not match the dupilcate set of Natalee's clothing that the FBI was given by Beth Holloway
Reporter then asks if they get many new leads as a result of the PRDV show
Mos says: PRDV has received thousands and that his departement also got many and still does on a daily basis.
He adds that they have no need for speculations from people all over the world who are mostly not familiar with the case or the facts.
He wants to stick to facts only or hear from people that are eye witnesses.
Then he goes on about how PRDV has made it impossible for him to mount such an undercover operation in the future.
He says that of course they could have also done something with hidden microphones camera's etc.
He respects PRDV's work and says the way Patrick handled the situation is admirable but that since Patrick has a criminal record they never could have used him. (end of interview)

I still give Mos the benefit of the doubt.
I don't think PRDV would have gone to him if he didn't trust him at least a little bit.
When Mos entered this whole investigation, most of the important evidence was "gone" or had never even been put in the file.
So he has to work with only half a case file.
So if he wants to take this thing to trial, he cannot make a single mistake and needs a lot of evidence. 0% room for error.
He must have 100% waterproof evidence that will prove the perps are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That means DNA or Natalee's body, or someone who can no longer keep their mouth shut and spills all the beans.
Mos tried and failed in december but now with 20+ people re-investigating this case again, with all of the new leads after PRDV's show, I think there still is a chance something big will happen.
The frustrating thing is that we are not informed at all about what's going on in the investigation, therefore it seems as if nothing is happening.
And PRDV (as mentioned before) is preparing another show, it takes a lot of time of course to follow all the leads he was given and he can't frustrate the "official'' Aruban investigation but he always has a couple of tricks up his sleeve.

i fully agree with that.
i am amazed how much about 'the investigation' has been leaked in 2005.
why was that necessary? that leads automatically to al kinds of speculation from the public.
like they made it more difficult for themselves on aruba on purpose.
and then blame it on the press/public that the investigation has become so difficult.

so that's why i also give Mos the benefit of the doubt.
as long as there are no leaks, maybe that means he finally has the aruban OM/police somewhat in order.

also he knows Peter R. has his new program coming up in the next few months (or weeks?).
but he has to be careful not to re-arrest jvds only to have to let him go again.

i am also sure there is a lot of behind the scenes pressure from the netherlands.
after all, jvds is walking free over here.

imagine him harming someone else, or starting a new media hype with a book or an appearance on a talkshow.
there is a lot of pressure on Mos, now he has to show what he's worth.
but i am sure he is getting advise/directions from the aruban/dutch board of procureurs generaals - all behind the scenes of course.

this is really not the end of this.

[Jo-An]

don't be fooled. in holland they do not think joran is crazy.
i guess the story of joran being in a mental hospital is made up.
if it is not, it is yet another sceme he can use to profit from if and when the case goes to court.

It may very well be made up but Capslock said it's printed in todays Bondia.  Not online yet as the online version is 2/26 still.  Will be interresting to see if it's in the online version once they update the website. 

The question would be why is Bondia printing false information again?

If it were true, that Joran has been admitted to the funny farm, then I think it would have been all over the press in Holland.
There would have been a leak for sure.
So I'm curious what Bondia's source is...
It seems odd that Bondia is the only media outlet that would know about this.
Maybe they think "Germany" is the name of a mental institution in Holland. 

I'll check all the Dutch newspapers tomorrow morning to see if the news is true.

 

[jackb]

Klaasend:

Local Bon Dia 02/27/2008 Local section page A3 Aruba news paper reports

Headline "Maybe He FLIPED" he is not himself no more

Joran has enter a Phychiatric Center in holland for treatment last week.



Well Well, this is a way that they a re going to play it now...

They will need to send practically the whole island on vacation and/or to institutes away from the island before this is all said and done.  That sorry azzed daddy of his needs to go for at least 30 years just to make him realize what he has done to people, his own family, his children and maybe even his ditzy wife.  She, though, may be behind this coverup as much as Palus.  Good  heavens how do people like that live with themselves.  I hope those in their family who may be innocent in this gets their hearts right and goes on away from those crazy people and makes a committment to being better humans than the ones who are so inhumane.

[Rob]

Whaaaahahaaaaa Rob!! thanks!!! ROFLOL

I didn't have my camera when I ran into "Deepak"... lmao!!!!

[klaasend]

If it's true that yoran is in a mental facility then I would dare say it is because something big is about to break and this is what they will use to keep him from being extradicted to stand trial.It just seems plausible to me..As soon as you think you are safe,all hell breaks loose and I believe that is about to happen.Whose to say that the Persistence crew isn't playing the wild card here? Miller said he truly believes Natalee is in the water. He said it with conviction..I doubt very seriously they are going to walk away from a search they know will prove him to be right.Yes,people can say anything on the internet whether it's lies or truth but I just have a feeling that we here on the outside aren't being given the full details and that break is soon to be revealed.It wouldn't suprise me at all if Natalee has already been found or at least parts of her.It makes me think of the Gambler chorus:

You got to know when to hold ‚em
Know when to fold them
Know when to walk away
A Know when to run
You never count you’re money
When you’re sitttin‘ at the table
There’ll be time enough for countin‘
When the dealin’s done..

 Just my opinion...

Hmmmm, interresting thought 

[ala_gunslinger]

Rob, do you get that feeling something is about to break loose????

What does you 'spider sense' tell you?

[Observer]

Thanks JE! I appreciate your thoughts and opinions. There is something very fishy about whats going on in this Investigation Also that last arrest of JVDS,I can't quite put my finger on it yet but something stinks!

[Rob]

I'm ready for the second act of this three year melodrama.

Scene : Rock Area

Description : chopped up bodies and fatty painting.

Who's missing? Joran and Paulus.

Who's filming? Crazy Eddie.

Action!!!

[private eye]

i do not know if the article is true, but what i do know is that if it IS true, his attornets advised him to do so. then for sure he will plead for a lower sentence if he is ever brought to trial. and chances are big that he will get a lower punishment if he is in a mental hospital now, especially if he voluntarely follows a program there. it is a trick they all try

He is mortified that he was exposed as a fool and a clown to his peers, and a liar and bastard to the adults he manipulated. He is no longer the leader of the pack, he indeed has no pack. I pray that Joran finds the Lord. I pray that the Lord works his miracles on Joran and reverses the path Anita chose for him to walk.

But I was under the impression that the work of the Lord freed people from their demons, and not sent them to psychotherapy for man to heal, The Lord makes blind people heal, he makes the downtrodden fly with the angels. He doesn't cause an independently functioning young man to be sent to a psychiatric hospital as a result of a religious experience.

I think this trip to the hospital may be part of the Lords plan to make Joran turn to him, but if he has gone there then he hasn't turned to him yet. And if he finds the Lord, he will come forward on his own and admit what he has done.

I think this is the work of Joran, his Dad and the clean up crew trying once again to run his own life without any instructions from the Lord.

[klaasend]

Posted by MF at RU regarding the report in Bondia that Joran is in a Psychiatric facility:

The information leaked.

It has been rumored for several days and it was published today.

I would have broke down too if I was under constant death threats and misused by adults.

[Bladerunner]

I'm ready for the second act of this three year melodrama.

Scene : Rock Area

Description : chopped up bodies and fatty painting.

Who's missing? Joran and Paulus.

Who's filming? Crazy Eddie.

Action!!!

I believe we are on the cusp of the coverup unravelling from within somehow. Think of how much energy and effort is required to stay one step ahead of things if you are part of the coverup. Human beings are involved and I have to imaging the stress of this current situation is overwhelming. The momentum has definately swung to the side of justice, we just need that last knockout punch or submission hold to unlock the answers. People are going to crack I'm convinced of it!!

[Rob]

Rob, do you get that feeling something is about to break loose????

What does you 'spider sense' tell you?

Sloots are going down!!!!

[caesu]

If it's true that yoran is in a mental facility then I would dare say it is because something big is about to break and this is what they will use to keep him from being extradicted to stand trial.It just seems plausible to me..As soon as you think you are safe,all hell breaks loose and I believe that is about to happen.Whose to say that the Persistence crew isn't playing the wild card here? Miller said he truly believes Natalee is in the water. He said it with conviction..I doubt very seriously they are going to walk away from a search they know will prove him to be right.Yes,people can say anything on the internet whether it's lies or truth but I just have a feeling that we here on the outside aren't being given the full details and that break is soon to be revealed.It wouldn't suprise me at all if Natalee has already been found or at least parts of her.It makes me think of the Gambler chorus:

You got to know when to hold ‚em
Know when to fold them
Know when to walk away
A Know when to run
You never count you’re money
When you’re sitttin‘ at the table
There’ll be time enough for countin‘
When the dealin’s done..

 Just my opinion...

that is very  plausible.
maybe in fear of what might be happening in next few days.
he is on advise of pvds preparing the insanity card to prevent extradition.
or insanity when it comes to a court case.

if it is true it wil be in the dutch online newspapers in the next few hours or thursday morning in the papers.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=853&Itemid=1
(why that chrismas music on that site!!  )

[klaasend]

Posted by MF at RU regarding the report in Bondia that Joran is in a Psychiatric facility:

The information leaked.

It has been rumored for several days and it was published today.

I would have broke down too if I was under constant death threats and misused by adults.

Just because MF is giving some validity to the Bondia article still does not mean it's a true story.  It just means that Bondia felt it was true enough to publish.  Bondia has published alot of BS too