Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 - 3/1/08

[Destiny]

Reckon they will sleep on the plane or go check into the Holiday Inn?

 

[jackb]

from 24ora.com

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4000/1/

Delegacion di Homeland Security a yega Aruba       
Friday, 29 February 2008 

...Asina pues por mira cu a bin un ’follow up’ rapido, despues cu un delegacion di Homeland Security encabeza pa e Deputy Assistant Secretary di e Departamento di Homeland Security for Policy, sr. Paul Rosenzweig ya a bishita Minister President sr. Nelson Oduber dia 10 di januari ultimo. Esaki un biaha mas ta muestra cu gobierno Mericano tin hopi confianza den e gobierno actual y tambe den e seguridad cu ta reina den e pais aki.

I don't see Cheney's name, so he's not there?

He may not be as I think it says that is normally his plane and there was talk of him being on it. That 24ora site however just names Homeland Security personnel. I thought Air Force 2 was just for him but maybe that is not the case always.

JORAN IS BORROWING THE PLANE FOR THE WEEKEND. 

[Kermit]

Thanks Klaasend.  That makes sense. 

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong... but by my understanding, officially speaking any plane or helicopter which contains the President of the US is called Air Force One and with the Vice President... Air Force Two.  Again, I would google/wiki-it to be certain.   

~K

You have it exactly right. Any aircraft with the President  aboard is automatically "Air Force One." The Vice President's aircraft is automatically "Air Force 2". If the Vice President is not aboard -- it does not carry the designation "Air Force 2." Also, by law - the President and Vice President cannot ever travel on the same plane.

Incorrect.

The plane that carries the President or the Vice President is "Air Force One."

Why am I arguing with everyone tonight??? LOL
From Wikipedia:

Air Force One is the air traffic control call sign of any United States Air Force aircraft carrying the President of the United States.[1] Since 1990, the presidential fleet has consisted of two specifically configured, highly customized Boeing 747-200B series aircraft - tail codes 28000 and 29000 - with Air Force designation VC-25A. While these aircraft are referred to as Air Force One only while the president is on board, the term is commonly used to describe either of the two aircraft normally used and maintained by the U.S. Air Force solely for the president.

When the president needs to fly to locations that have runways too short for the VC-25A, a Boeing C-32 is used instead; the Lockheed C-140 Jetstar was also used in this role, notably by Ronald Reagan.

An Air Force aircraft carrying the Vice President of the United States is designated as Air Force Two.

My information is from having been involved with 4 living presidents. Not trying to mislead or provide anything other then what I know on a personal level.

[Kermit]

anidac,

I pray your daughter and all those involved in this horrible accident will be safe and that comfort will come quickly for you too.

[hotping]

from 24ora.com

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4000/1/

Delegacion di Homeland Security a yega Aruba       
Friday, 29 February 2008 

...Asina pues por mira cu a bin un ’follow up’ rapido, despues cu un delegacion di Homeland Security encabeza pa e Deputy Assistant Secretary di e Departamento di Homeland Security for Policy, sr. Paul Rosenzweig ya a bishita Minister President sr. Nelson Oduber dia 10 di januari ultimo. Esaki un biaha mas ta muestra cu gobierno Mericano tin hopi confianza den e gobierno actual y tambe den e seguridad cu ta reina den e pais aki.

I don't see Cheney's name, so he's not there?

He may not be as I think it says that is normally his plane and there was talk of him being on it. That 24ora site however just names Homeland Security personnel. I thought Air Force 2 was just for him but maybe that is not the case always.

JORAN IS BORROWING THE PLANE FOR THE WEEKEND. 

[Bladerunner]

Casa - So it's ok for us to discuss things but not certain things?  I'm not sure I understand. 

This is a discussion forum.  It is not just a forum to support the family although we do. I don't think we are going to solve the case but we have certainly helped gather data for the family to share with their investigators.

I'm not sure what you would like to see us do?  You want members to stop by once daily and say "they stand with the girl" then leave?

The only thing I would like is for all of us to be a support system for the family. What has bothered me for a long time is the wild speculations that have made many people lose respect for a place that used to have that respect.  Klaas you know that I have been here a long time.  I introduced a certain member of Natalee's family to the board.  The alienation of old members and the embracing of new members with wild theories is what bothers me. yes, new people should be accepted but the old member should not be excluded because they do not agree with the new theories.  The nasty e mails to once faithful members who have lost faith in this place because of things that have happened bother me.  The nasty remarks to some who choose to gather other places bothers me.  This should not be a place where people are bashed for disagreeing.  It should be a place for supporting the family and a discussion of the facts of the case.  When we get into wild speculations and name calling we turn into another blog that we all know of.  It should not be a place where we are insulted because the crew of the Persistance didn't tell us something.  They have a job to do and we should let them do it.  The way people have reacted to the picture posted is a prime example of why the Persistance should not give out information.  People take it and run like crazy to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

Wild theories? What exactly do you mean by a "wild theory" anyways? What do you want people to do just take what is presented as fact and not quesiton anything? I don't understand what the issue is with coming with alternative scenarios, whether it be looking at a photo, or, pieicing together circumstantial evidence.

I'm relatively new here but my general impression is that this place is specifically setup to facilitate "theorizing" about cases of all kinds. What am I missing?

[billb's daughter]

Why is Dick Cheney in Aruba?



Diario Newspaper March 1st 2008
Air force 2 owing to descend at aruba ... maximum security at airports
 saturday, 01 march 2008 oranjestad (aan):

Last aeropuerto of aruba was have extra security hour cu air force 2, one c-boeing 32 owing to descend. For of nightfall end was talk of the arrival of the plane here at aruba, which is esun ordinarily using for transport of the vice president of markets. Polisnan owing to being notifies for extra surveillance of airport rond. So cu owing to the plane descend 9'or of diabierna one night quantity of equipment owing to send for being give pabao attendance at the part where the plane owing to staciona. Was talk cu dick cheney will is there of the plane cu all his own safety cu owing to achieve autorizacion for march arm at aruba. Esnan cu owing to arrive there will bandona aruba monday morning.

Saturday morning will actuate the plane for one more part pabao close of caserne of bombero because airport is druk and the plane is coy much space. The part which is close cu plane is using for bay runway will let the air force 2 stop. On the photograph here can see more of the plane just past hour cu owing to descend at end of aruba.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1267&Itemid=30

Maybe he wanted to personally donate to the search effort, I did email him....

Seriously TM Did You? 

Yes, PC...Here it is, excluding my personal information of course.

 
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

emailed the following 2/25/08
comments@whitehouse.gov (Bush)
vice_president@whitehouse.gov (Cheney)

Dear Sirs,
An ocean search has been in progress off of the coast of Aruba for over two months now, funded entirely by a true American hero, Louis Schaefer Jr. of Underwater Expeditions .  The search is a very sophisticated effort to find the remains of missing American Natalee Holloway from Alabama.  Natalee has been missing since May 30, 2005.  The original search area has been greatly extended and therefore the costs of this effort have greatly increased.  Individuals that have followed the case have made donations to help continue the search, but have not raised the necessary funds needed to complete the search.  It would be a travesty for the search to be discontinued at this point, many targets have been identified and the search could be adequately complete in approximately three weeks.  I understand from someone close to the search that a decision will be made in the next 24-48 hours as to the future of the search.  Please help with a donation or contact those you know who can help with this effort.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/ 

The following has been snipped from the web site listed above;
 
The dedicated ocean search for Natalee Holloway has been underway since mid-November, 2007. What began in Louisiana during mobilization now culminating in Aruba, the search has utilized some of the best search equipment and personnel in the world. To date, approximately 900 miles of sonar data has been collected covering a geographic area 80% the size of Aruba. The search has required a painstakingly slow approach which in the end leaves no stone unturned.
 
Although slow, this approach is extremely effective in marine search and recovery. Since the beginning, the search has been privately funded by Louis Schaefer Jr. of Underwater Expeditions who remarkably and gracefully accepted the financial burden when requested by Texas Equusearch and Natalee's parents. John Silvetti of Marine Surveys, Greg Landry of Offshore Innovative Solutions, Erik McGuire of Seatronics, along with Agiosat and Wilkens Weather Service came beside Louis to conduct this humanitarian effort. To put this search effort in financial perspective, an equivalent search conducted for industry would involve costs well exceeding several million dollars. This project has been conducted for about 35 cents on the dollar, with costs still exceeding a million dollars.
 
Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".
 
To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out: http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html
 
Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539
 
Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email: donate@texasequusearch.org
 
Please do anything and everything you can to make sure that this search is completed.  As the parent of a son Natalee's age, I have followed this case from the beginning.  My oldest son went on his 2005 senior trip to London and was on his way to the airport that July morning when the bombs went off in the subways.  My husband and I along with another couple spent about 12 hours not knowing if our sons were safe.  It was the most horrible day I've experienced since I've had my children.  We received the call from our boys after they landed in the states and heard what had happened.  I can only imagine what Natalee Holloway's parents have been through for the past three years.....I don't even like to imagine that.  If I had enough money to donate what is needed for this search to be completed...it would be done.  I don't, and that is why I am forwarding this information to people that I know can help or know others that can.
 
Thank you for your consideration in this matter.
 
God Bless the United States of America.
 
Sincerely,
 
deleted

Response that I immediately received:

Thank you for e-mailing Vice President Cheney.  Your comments,
suggestions and concerns are important to him.  Unfortunately,
because of the large volume of e-mail received, the Vice
President cannot personally respond to each message.  However,
members of the Vice President's staff consider and report
citizen ideas and concerns.  Please visit the White House web
site for the most up-to-date information on Presidential
initiatives, current events, and topics of interest to you.

Thank you again for taking the time to write.

TM you the ma...er..woman!
Just another example about what one person can do if they only forgo the thought....my opinion can't make a difference. It does! Like NIKE...just do it....I am proud of all monkeys!

[texasmom]

My information is from having been involved with 4 living presidents. Not trying to mislead or provide anything other then what I know on a personal level.

Do you happen to have their email addresses Kermit?  If you haven't contacted them to request assistance in the search effort, it couldn't hurt to do so.  I know that many former Presidents are very active in humanitarian efforts and just may be willing to donate to the cause.

[casa]

I know that my opinion is worth nothing here as I  do not come up with wild theories but I think we should all wait until the people on the Persistance give us some DEFINITE information.  They are the ones in the trenches doing the dirty work, not us.  We should let them tell us when it is time and not feel entitled to know every move they make.  Yes we are here to support the family and find justice for Natalee but we should let the experts do their work and not try not to speculate.

Seems to me the people on the Persistence are getting ready to go home.  We are just wondering why all the hullabaloo. We aren't asking them for every move they make, we aren't insisting that Kyle give us answers, we're simply discussing it.  Isn't that ok?

y want

I am sure they are not heading home because they want to.  This type of operation takes money and if the money is not there they cannot continue.  Discussion is one thing but posting theories that have NO basis in truth is another.  When we come up with things that are not based on fact and others here run with it, it makes us no better than other sites not so sympathetic to the family.  I think we need to stick to the FACTS and let those who know what they are doing do their work.  None of us here are detectives, CSI, or DNA experts. 

Well casa, in all due respect -- speculating, theorizing, researching, and postulating is exactly why we are all here. Throw a million ideas against the wall and odds are -- one will stick. Putting your faith in one avenue is pure folley. The power of each of us putting our "wild theories" out there can only help. We analyze, examine, and argue -- that is how the truth comes out!

Nothing wrong with discussion and analyzing.  Yes, putting your faith in one avenue might be folley but that could also apply to those that only put their faith in the fact that Joran and the Kalpoes had something to do with the disappearance of Natalee. (I do think they did by the way) Discussion and analyzing is very different than making up theories and seeing things that might not be there.  Trust me wreck no one on this  blog or any other will be the one to solve this case.  The truth will not come out by people posting theories about what they think when they are not there searching or actually seeing what is going on.  We are here to support the family and those searching for answers not to cause problems for those working to find an answer.

I guess we will just agree to disagree then. I can only speak for myself -- but I'm not here merely to be a cheerleader or to be a "yes man." Many here are doing research and analysis that the "experts" never thought of. I don't put myself anywhere near that stature -- but I have followed this case enough to call bullshit on some of the work by the "experts." Second, this case is so bizarre -- NEVER assume we are getting the actual facts from anyone. I say: let's leave NO stone unturned no matter how "far fetched"  an idea might be.

Please believe me wreck I don't believe we have gotten any facts corectly from the ALE in Aruba. But to think that we as people who have no expertise in this area and no access to information can do better than the professionals is stupid. I truely believe that the FBI should have had the case from the start because I don't think the Aruban ALE knew what to do or there was too much of a connection to the van der sloots to do what they should.  If we think we are going to solve this by "analyzing and researching" on a blog then we are sadly mistaken.  Seeing shoes here and then shoes there and booking a trip to Aruba to scrape whatever off of rocks, etc is not going to solve this.  We only make ourselves look silly.  P.S. Bashing people on a boat who have given time and MUCH money to searching for Natalee does us no good either.

[texasmom]

sorry Wreck, I messed up that last post quote stack and it looks like you said what I said....
 

[klaasend]

Casa - So it's ok for us to discuss things but not certain things?  I'm not sure I understand. 

This is a discussion forum.  It is not just a forum to support the family although we do. I don't think we are going to solve the case but we have certainly helped gather data for the family to share with their investigators.

I'm not sure what you would like to see us do?  You want members to stop by once daily and say "they stand with the girl" then leave?

The only thing I would like is for all of us to be a support system for the family. What has bothered me for a long time is the wild speculations that have made many people lose respect for a place that used to have that respect.  Klaas you know that I have been here a long time.  I introduced a certain member of Natalee's family to the board.  The alienation of old members and the embracing of new members with wild theories is what bothers me. yes, new people should be accepted but the old member should not be excluded because they do not agree with the new theories.  The nasty e mails to once faithful members who have lost faith in this place because of things that have happened bother me.  The nasty remarks to some who choose to gather other places bothers me.  This should not be a place where people are bashed for disagreeing.  It should be a place for supporting the family and a discussion of the facts of the case.  When we get into wild speculations and name calling we turn into another blog that we all know of.  It should not be a place where we are insulted because the crew of the Persistance didn't tell us something.  They have a job to do and we should let them do it.  The way people have reacted to the picture posted is a prime example of why the Persistance should not give out information.  People take it and run like crazy to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

I have no idea what you are talking about.  Nobody has stopped anyone from disagreeing about anything here. If "old" members choose not to post because THEY don't agree that is their choice.  I don't know what you mean by nasty emails because I'm not getting them.

Actually, I'm at a loss for words.  Someone help me out here.

[Magnolia]

I know that my opinion is worth nothing here as I  do not come up with wild theories but I think we should all wait until the people on the Persistance give us some DEFINITE information.  They are the ones in the trenches doing the dirty work, not us.  We should let them tell us when it is time and not feel entitled to know every move they make.  Yes we are here to support the family and find justice for Natalee but we should let the experts do their work and not try not to speculate.

Seems to me the people on the Persistence are getting ready to go home.  We are just wondering why all the hullabaloo. We aren't asking them for every move they make, we aren't insisting that Kyle give us answers, we're simply discussing it.  Isn't that ok?

y want

I am sure they are not heading home because they want to.  This type of operation takes money and if the money is not there they cannot continue.  Discussion is one thing but posting theories that have NO basis in truth is another.  When we come up with things that are not based on fact and others here run with it, it makes us no better than other sites not so sympathetic to the family.  I think we need to stick to the FACTS and let those who know what they are doing do their work.  None of us here are detectives, CSI, or DNA experts. 

Well casa, in all due respect -- speculating, theorizing, researching, and postulating is exactly why we are all here. Throw a million ideas against the wall and odds are -- one will stick. Putting your faith in one avenue is pure folley. The power of each of us putting our "wild theories" out there can only help. We analyze, examine, and argue -- that is how the truth comes out!

Nothing wrong with discussion and analyzing.  Yes, putting your faith in one avenue might be folley but that could also apply to those that only put their faith in the fact that Joran and the Kalpoes had something to do with the disappearance of Natalee. (I do think they did by the way) Discussion and analyzing is very different than making up theories and seeing things that might not be there.  Trust me wreck no one on this  blog or any other will be the one to solve this case.  The truth will not come out by people posting theories about what they think when they are not there searching or actually seeing what is going on.  We are here to support the family and those searching for answers not to cause problems for those working to find an answer.

I guess we will just agree to disagree then. I can only speak for myself -- but I'm not here merely to be a cheerleader or to be a "yes man." Many here are doing research and analysis that the "experts" never thought of. I don't put myself anywhere near that stature -- but I have followed this case enough to call bullshit on some of the work by the "experts." Second, this case is so bizarre -- NEVER assume we are getting the actual facts from anyone. I say: let's leave NO stone unturned no matter how "far fetched"  an idea might be.

Please believe me wreck I don't believe we have gotten any facts corectly from the ALE in Aruba. But to think that we as people who have no expertise in this area and no access to information can do better than the professionals is stupid. I truely believe that the FBI should have had the case from the start because I don't think the Aruban ALE knew what to do or there was too much of a connection to the van der sloots to do what they should.  If we think we are going to solve this by "analyzing and researching" on a blog then we are sadly mistaken.  Seeing shoes here and then shoes there and booking a trip to Aruba to scrape whatever off of rocks, etc is not going to solve this.  We only make ourselves look silly.  P.S. Bashing people on a boat who have given time and MUCH money to searching for Natalee does us no good either.

We would never bash the people on the boat.  We love Kyle.  He was here
with us all night and we loved having him.  We all know he won't tell us a
thing and I think we all respect him for that.

[casa]

Casa - So it's ok for us to discuss things but not certain things?  I'm not sure I understand. 

This is a discussion forum.  It is not just a forum to support the family although we do. I don't think we are going to solve the case but we have certainly helped gather data for the family to share with their investigators.

I'm not sure what you would like to see us do?  You want members to stop by once daily and say "they stand with the girl" then leave?

The only thing I would like is for all of us to be a support system for the family. What has bothered me for a long time is the wild speculations that have made many people lose respect for a place that used to have that respect.  Klaas you know that I have been here a long time.  I introduced a certain member of Natalee's family to the board.  The alienation of old members and the embracing of new members with wild theories is what bothers me. yes, new people should be accepted but the old member should not be excluded because they do not agree with the new theories.  The nasty e mails to once faithful members who have lost faith in this place because of things that have happened bother me.  The nasty remarks to some who choose to gather other places bothers me.  This should not be a place where people are bashed for disagreeing.  It should be a place for supporting the family and a discussion of the facts of the case.  When we get into wild speculations and name calling we turn into another blog that we all know of.  It should not be a place where we are insulted because the crew of the Persistance didn't tell us something.  They have a job to do and we should let them do it.  The way people have reacted to the picture posted is a prime example of why the Persistance should not give out information.  People take it and run like crazy to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

Wild theories? What exactly do you mean by a "wild theory" anyways? What do you want people to do just take what is presented as fact and not quesiton anything? I don't understand what the issue is with coming with alternative scenarios, whether it be looking at a photo, or, pieicing together circumstantial evidence.

I'm relatively new here but my general impression is that this place is specifically setup to facilitate "theorizing" about cases of all kinds. What am I missing?

Not sure what you are missing. Not what this place was set up for initially I don't think.

[jackb]

Casa - that is over and done with.  Robin made a mistake, they should never have been posted on the internet at all.  Nothing is safe on the internet.  I'm sure the Admins of BNH are aware of that.  I actually wonder if they weren't posted intentionally so they would get out.  That said they can't be retracted now.

Trust me, Robin knows what she is doint.    j/b

[Destiny]

Casa - So it's ok for us to discuss things but not certain things?  I'm not sure I understand. 

This is a discussion forum.  It is not just a forum to support the family although we do. I don't think we are going to solve the case but we have certainly helped gather data for the family to share with their investigators.

I'm not sure what you would like to see us do?  You want members to stop by once daily and say "they stand with the girl" then leave?

The only thing I would like is for all of us to be a support system for the family. What has bothered me for a long time is the wild speculations that have made many people lose respect for a place that used to have that respect.  Klaas you know that I have been here a long time.  I introduced a certain member of Natalee's family to the board.  The alienation of old members and the embracing of new members with wild theories is what bothers me. yes, new people should be accepted but the old member should not be excluded because they do not agree with the new theories.  The nasty e mails to once faithful members who have lost faith in this place because of things that have happened bother me.  The nasty remarks to some who choose to gather other places bothers me.  This should not be a place where people are bashed for disagreeing.  It should be a place for supporting the family and a discussion of the facts of the case.  When we get into wild speculations and name calling we turn into another blog that we all know of.  It should not be a place where we are insulted because the crew of the Persistance didn't tell us something.  They have a job to do and we should let them do it.  The way people have reacted to the picture posted is a prime example of why the Persistance should not give out information.  People take it and run like crazy to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

I have no idea what you are talking about.  Nobody has stopped anyone from disagreeing about anything here. If "old" members choose not to post because THEY don't agree that is their choice.  I don't know what you mean by nasty emails because I'm not getting them.

Actually, I'm at a loss for words.  Someone help me out here.

Klaasend...don't know if I can help you out...but...after all the reading on this thread...I'm starting to get the feel of a *caste* system here in the cage...and I know I'm not very far up the food chain.

What I do know is this....I have never been on a forum that has had so many supportive people...so much effort in working *together* by whatever means, to dig...root...scrounge for any iota of truth...in the muck that surrounds this case.

I think if the tide sends the cage in new directions...then we, the flotsem and jetsum swirling around in the cage...well...we just have to go with the flow.

[jackb]

Casa - that is over and done with.  Robin made a mistake, they should never have been posted on the internet at all.  Nothing is safe on the internet.  I'm sure the Admins of BNH are aware of that.  I actually wonder if they weren't posted intentionally so they would get out.  That said they can't be retracted now.

Trust me, Robin knows what she is doing and it was a good thing.    j/b

[casa]

Casa - So it's ok for us to discuss things but not certain things?  I'm not sure I understand. 

This is a discussion forum.  It is not just a forum to support the family although we do. I don't think we are going to solve the case but we have certainly helped gather data for the family to share with their investigators.

I'm not sure what you would like to see us do?  You want members to stop by once daily and say "they stand with the girl" then leave?

The only thing I would like is for all of us to be a support system for the family. What has bothered me for a long time is the wild speculations that have made many people lose respect for a place that used to have that respect.  Klaas you know that I have been here a long time.  I introduced a certain member of Natalee's family to the board.  The alienation of old members and the embracing of new members with wild theories is what bothers me. yes, new people should be accepted but the old member should not be excluded because they do not agree with the new theories.  The nasty e mails to once faithful members who have lost faith in this place because of things that have happened bother me.  The nasty remarks to some who choose to gather other places bothers me.  This should not be a place where people are bashed for disagreeing.  It should be a place for supporting the family and a discussion of the facts of the case.  When we get into wild speculations and name calling we turn into another blog that we all know of.  It should not be a place where we are insulted because the crew of the Persistance didn't tell us something.  They have a job to do and we should let them do it.  The way people have reacted to the picture posted is a prime example of why the Persistance should not give out information.  People take it and run like crazy to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

I have no idea what you are talking about.  Nobody has stopped anyone from disagreeing about anything here. If "old" members choose not to post because THEY don't agree that is their choice.  I don't know what you mean by nasty emails because I'm not getting them.

Actually, I'm at a loss for words.  Someone help me out here.

No you are not the one GETTING them.

[klaasend]

Casa wrote:

Not sure what you are missing. Not what this place was set up for initially I don't think.

Casa - you are 100% wrong.  That's what all of these forums are set up for, to discuss, research and theorize.

Not only that, this site is about many other missing persons as well.  All discussion forums are set up for people to do just that, discuss the case and dig up information.

[klaasend]

Casa - why is it our fault if you are getting nasty emails from people?  We didn't give out your email address. Because a small group of people are unhappy because someone "moved their cheese", we are supposed to change for them?  Not going to happen.

[casa]

Casa - why is it our fault if you are getting nasty emails from people?  We didn't give out your email address. Because a small group of people are unhappy because someone "moved their cheese", we are supposed to change for them?  Not going to happen.

Actually I have not gotten any nasty emails from anyone.  I never said that or implied that.  There are people here that are sending emails to others.