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« Reply #960 on: March 01, 2008, 10:58:46 PM »

From OE's post today...


-The Aruban authorities do not know our target list, nor have the capability to investigate most of the targets.
-AF2 is on the Island.  To me this indicates Cheney is on the island, but I can't confirm this nor comment on the reason for the visit.
-The trap in question is significantly larger than Dr. Hodges reported dimensions from the fishermen huts owner.


I find this statement interesting...
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« Reply #961 on: March 01, 2008, 11:03:14 PM »

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It would be rotten of me to lurk and not comment about our departure.  I agree, it feels absolutely awkward leaving.  I know it seems there are more questions now than before the search even began.  The only comfort and comment I can affort is knowing that many questions will be answered in time.

As for the remaining targets:
There are between 100-200 targets yet to be explored.  Remember, we are searching for anything that could contain human remains, not just a fish trap. It's likely most of these remaining targets are simply debris or unimportant seabed features.  However, we originally set out to leave no stone unturned.  The plan is (as of today-plans do often change) to return to these targets once we've secured adequate funding with a dedicated ROV team on a different boat.  A different boat would be more efficient at running ROV operations both in terms of maneuvering and cost.

-The Aruban authorities do not know our target list, nor have the capability to investigate most of the targets.
-AF2 is on the Island.  To me this indicates Cheney is on the island, but I can't confirm this nor comment on the reason for the visit.
-The trap in question is significantly larger than Dr. Hodges reported dimensions from the fishermen huts owner.

I may not understand...but Mr. Schaeffer took on this task and he is a multimillionaire...why stop at one million?  Did he put a cap at one million?  I understand if multi means two...I can't imagine even having close to a million dollars...I feel so bad for Dave, Robin, Beth and Jug...they have been disappointed again...I hope no one takes this post as bad...but I feel that if someone takes on a task like this it should be completed...JMHO...
Imagine how the crew of the Persistence feels?.... very conflicted! But Mr. Scaeffer put in probably closer to 2 million by the time it is said and done.  The reason for this is because the search expanded once they got there.  They have now searched an area about 80% the entire size of Aruba in the ocean.  Bad weather slowed the process along with expanding the search.  Between what everyone donated as services and cuts in pay, other things, you are probably looking closer to 3 million overall.  The money has run out.  Donations may be coming in but they need a chunk to bring the ROV crew in and operate the ROV.  I am sure Kyle can tell you but the ROV is probably the most expensive piece of equipment needing to be used on a daily basis.  This way, if we raise the money, a boat and ROV can go in and look at the targets (since that part of the work is done) and in calm weather may be in and out in 3 weeks.  (This is the winter weather the Persistence has been experiencing which has hampered them).

Please do not take this as defeat.  Please continue to try and raise the funds so that another boat with an ROV can come in and look at those targets.  As of this date and time, it just cannot be the Persistence.  And trust me when I say the Persistence and crew definitely wanted to be the ones to bring Natalee home to her family. 

Two observations:

1) OE mentioned before that Aruba had new people on the case and that they trusted each other and were all working toward a common goal. That may be true, but there is a contradiction of sorts when you look at the fact that Aruba does not know the location of the other targets--doesn't sound like there is too much trust on that front!

2) The part I highlighted in red is interesting. The plan "as of today" is for the crew to come back with a different boat at some point in the future to investigate the other targets, however, the phrase, "plans do often change", to me seems like a discreet signal that it is likely the team will never be back in Aruba because the mission has been accomplished.

Again, lots of speculation and reading between the lines here!
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« Reply #962 on: March 01, 2008, 11:04:04 PM »

Maybe this is Joran hidden in plain sight with a face makeover.



                                   
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« Reply #963 on: March 01, 2008, 11:04:05 PM »

I would love to think that plane is a military escort to bring her home but after so many disappointments and lies, I know full well not to get on that roller coaster ever again.

But sometimes, it's hard not to do so.
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« Reply #964 on: March 01, 2008, 11:07:16 PM »

From OE's post today...


-The Aruban authorities do not know our target list, nor have the capability to investigate most of the targets.
-AF2 is on the Island.  To me this indicates Cheney is on the island, but I can't confirm this nor comment on the reason for the visit.
-The trap in question is significantly larger than Dr. Hodges reported dimensions from the fishermen huts owner.


I find this statement interesting...
Yes, there is NO question that trap is STILL a MAJOR focal point!! If it was "nothing" there would not be a fuss. They would tell us to "move on".
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« Reply #965 on: March 01, 2008, 11:08:09 PM »

I would love to think that plane is a military escort to bring her home but after so many disappointments and lies, I know full well not to get on that roller coaster ever again.

But sometimes, it's hard not to do so.
I know.  I don't want to believe it either.  However, when in the past three years have we known that AF2 landed in Aruba?  Then, today we learn the Persistence is leaving--done for now.  I don't want to be disappointed again, so I'm taking the attitude of wait and see--maybe Monday we will know more.  However, I can hardly tear myself away from my puter and SM and the news sources now.  It's hard not to hope.
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« Reply #966 on: March 01, 2008, 11:09:15 PM »

If Aruba claimed that a DEA agent ruined the inveatigation, imagine what they could say about a head of state.  I don't think it is Cheney and if it should be, that it would be related to the disappearance of Natalee.  JMO but I think wrong branch of government, Condi Rice would be more appropriate or someone from Dept of Justice. 

But since Dompig said Vice President Cheney, I do think it would be hilarious if he were to show up on their doorstep, lol!     I have no doubt that Dick Cheney is perfectly capable of scaring ALL of them.     And badly at that.

Cheney could have been a dictator in an earlier life:). He strikes me as a man that doesn't put up with a lot of crap, and that is what Rudy needs to meet.

PS I am surprised he didn't run for President.


I'm surprised Cheney is still alive considering the condition of his heart and the high number of previous heart attacks.  No, was never an option for him to run for President because of that, was known when he was selected for VP.

He bears a strong resemblance to my grandfather and I think he looks totally nice and sort of cuddly but understand he scares the BeJeezes out of most people.  Never understood that but he does have that reputation.  Somewhat of a terror in Washington. 

I do think he could easily deal with the situation, just can't imagine under what circumstances that could happen in reality.  But would be sort of nice if he just stopped over to ask after the investigation and how things are going.  You know, meet with the guys, Dompig and Hans and Rudy and Nels, kick back and chew the fat a bit. 

This country does so little in the way of what we are capable of doing should we ever truly become angry that I think the rest of the world tends to forget what we are capable of doing.

For example, there were no glass parking lots after 9-11 when there sure could have been.  Restraint is in our nature but just once in a while, since we get accused of it anyway, I'd like to see us just unleash on a few places on this earth.

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It's because of his low stress job.
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« Reply #967 on: March 01, 2008, 11:11:21 PM »

From OE's post today...


-The Aruban authorities do not know our target list, nor have the capability to investigate most of the targets.
-AF2 is on the Island.  To me this indicates Cheney is on the island, but I can't confirm this nor comment on the reason for the visit.
-The trap in question is significantly larger than Dr. Hodges reported dimensions from the fishermen huts owner.


I find this statement interesting...
Yes, there is NO question that trap is STILL a MAJOR focal point!! If it was "nothing" there would not be a fuss. They would tell us to "move on".
You're right Wreck...OE was very upset that the pics were posted on the internet....if there was nothing to them..what the heck was He so upset about....
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« Reply #968 on: March 01, 2008, 11:12:38 PM »

Maybe Aruba officials asked VP Chaney to appear as a special guest on their program tomorrow night and answer questions in person.

I was thinking the opposite.  Cheney had a question to ask and was afraid it would disappear, like everything else, so he took the plane to habd it in personally.
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« Reply #969 on: March 01, 2008, 11:13:40 PM »

Im telling you folks ...... the whole "lack of funds" mantra is a ruse. It's a delay tactic until they could get their ducks in a row and get the hell out of Dodge.


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« Reply #970 on: March 01, 2008, 11:14:08 PM »

Posted by oceanexploration

It would be rotten of me to lurk and not comment about our departure.  I agree, it feels absolutely awkward leaving.  I know it seems there are more questions now than before the search even began.  The only comfort and comment I can affort is knowing that many questions will be answered in time.

As for the remaining targets:
There are between 100-200 targets yet to be explored.  Remember, we are searching for anything that could contain human remains, not just a fish trap. It's likely most of these remaining targets are simply debris or unimportant seabed features.   However, we originally set out to leave no stone unturned.  The plan is (as of today-plans do often change) to return to these targets once we've secured adequate funding with a dedicated ROV team on a different boat.  A different boat would be more efficient at running ROV operations both in terms of maneuvering and cost.

-The Aruban authorities do not know our target list, nor have the capability to investigate most of the targets.
-AF2 is on the Island.  To me this indicates Cheney is on the island, but I can't confirm this nor comment on the reason for the visit.
-The trap in question is significantly larger than Dr. Hodges reported dimensions from the fishermen huts owner.

I may not understand...but Mr. Schaeffer took on this task and he is a multimillionaire...why stop at one million?  Did he put a cap at one million?  I understand if multi means two...I can't imagine even having close to a million dollars...I feel so bad for Dave, Robin, Beth and Jug...they have been disappointed again...I hope no one takes this post as bad...but I feel that if someone takes on a task like this it should be completed...JMHO...
Imagine how the crew of the Persistence feels?.... very conflicted! But Mr. Scaeffer put in probably closer to 2 million by the time it is said and done.  The reason for this is because the search expanded once they got there.  They have now searched an area about 80% the entire size of Aruba in the ocean.  Bad weather slowed the process along with expanding the search.  Between what everyone donated as services and cuts in pay, other things, you are probably looking closer to 3 million overall.  The money has run out.  Donations may be coming in but they need a chunk to bring the ROV crew in and operate the ROV.  I am sure Kyle can tell you but the ROV is probably the most expensive piece of equipment needing to be used on a daily basis.  This way, if we raise the money, a boat and ROV can go in and look at the targets (since that part of the work is done) and in calm weather may be in and out in 3 weeks.  (This is the winter weather the Persistence has been experiencing which has hampered them).

Please do not take this as defeat.  Please continue to try and raise the funds so that another boat with an ROV can come in and look at those targets.  As of this date and time, it just cannot be the Persistence.  And trust me when I say the Persistence and crew definitely wanted to be the ones to bring Natalee home to her family. 

Two observations:

1) OE mentioned before that Aruba had new people on the case and that they trusted each other and were all working toward a common goal. That may be true, but there is a contradiction of sorts when you look at the fact that Aruba does not know the location of the other targets--doesn't sound like there is too much trust on that front!

2) The part I highlighted in red is interesting. The plan "as of today" is for the crew to come back with a different boat at some point in the future to investigate the other targets, however, the phrase, "plans do often change", to me seems like a discreet signal that it is likely the team will never be back in Aruba because the mission has been accomplished.

Again, lots of speculation and reading between the lines here!

And marked in Purple is what stood out to me.  Why return if they do not feel any of the remaining targets are worth investigating?
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« Reply #971 on: March 01, 2008, 11:14:23 PM »

Maybe Aruba officials asked VP Chaney to appear as a special guest on their program tomorrow night and answer questions in person.

I was thinking the opposite.  Cheney had a question to ask and was afraid it would disappear, like everything else, so he took the plane to habd it in personally.
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« Reply #972 on: March 01, 2008, 11:16:36 PM »

Just trying to get Klaas to Page 50 so she can start a new thread.

Somewhere in an Arizona desert, the Boneyard of decommissioned aircraft that can be made ready very quickly.  As far as the eye can see. . . . doing absolutely nothing.

So when others call this country a bully, I wonder if they realize the extent of the might and the amount of restraint.




What's that song. . . They don't like us anyway so we might as well?

Just kidding, just kidding but sometimes I wonder what good is having might and being the sole surviving super power if we are just pushed around by flyspeck islands with corrupt third world mentalities?
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« Reply #973 on: March 01, 2008, 11:16:43 PM »

Im telling you folks ...... the whole "lack of funds" mantra is a ruse. It's a delay tactic until they could get their ducks in a row and get the hell out of Dodge.


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« Reply #974 on: March 01, 2008, 11:17:46 PM »



Please move to NCD# 738

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« Reply #975 on: March 01, 2008, 11:18:48 PM »

From OE's post today...


-The Aruban authorities do not know our target list, nor have the capability to investigate most of the targets.
-AF2 is on the Island.  To me this indicates Cheney is on the island, but I can't confirm this nor comment on the reason for the visit.
-The trap in question is significantly larger than Dr. Hodges reported dimensions from the fishermen huts owner.


I find this statement interesting...
Yes, there is NO question that trap is STILL a MAJOR focal point!! If it was "nothing" there would not be a fuss. They would tell us to "move on".
You're right Wreck...OE was very upset that the pics were posted on the internet....if there was nothing to them..what the heck was He so upset about....

They can't return to keep looking for her...if...they already have her....photos being posted was never factored into the game plan...*speculation*...gut...
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« Reply #976 on: March 01, 2008, 11:19:13 PM »

Just trying to get Klaas to Page 50 so she can start a new thread.

Somewhere in an Arizona desert, the Boneyard of decommissioned aircraft that can be made ready very quickly.  As far as the eye can see. . . . doing absolutely nothing.

So when others call this country a bully, I wonder if they realize the extent of the might and the amount of restraint.




What's that song. . . They don't like us anyway so we might as well?

Just kidding, just kidding but sometimes I wonder what good is having might and being the sole surviving super power if we are just pushed around by flyspeck islands with corrupt third world mentalities?
And, how would you like the job of washing and maintaining those aircraft?  Just another wonderful Arizona desert job--lots of fresh air and dust.
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