Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 - 3/1/08

[Anna]

blah, I bailed early so I wasn't here.  It appeared to be a misunderstanding over what we do here: discuss, speculate, examine, theorize, etc.  I think we were told we wouldn't solve the case right here because we weren't on the ground looking or something like that. 

I bailed early.  I'm glad I did.   I read thru it all when I got up this morning and it was confusing.  I scrolled alot.

I read all that BS but I dont see what Robin posted so it would "get out"

 

The pictures of the fish trap, blah.  Those were sent to the family and Robin posted them on another forum and then they were everywhere.

Pay attention!

Good Morning, All Other Monkeys!

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Anna,the question Blah and I have is why they would intentionally be leaked out.We are paying attention but I guess we are just not in the loop as to knowing why.Sorry...

This is a decision Robin made and it was her's and Daves to make.  If he did not help her make this, then that is between her and him.  What does it matter anyway.  For the love of Pete.  I have not slept much and I am grouchy.   Jack b
PS:  Please do not that that mouth started on us this am.  She is worse than waking up to jaws.  Maybe she will go to BFN and roar for awhile.      Jack b

Jack, it won't hurt my feelings one bit if you skip every post I ever make.

Nellie Olson

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[Bladerunner]

Just to be clear,
these are the pics where Tim Miller called Dave and said he is 99.9% sure they found her?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/page/2/

Yes

well, for him to do that, he had to be looking at more than just these pictures

what else did he have besides the fabric?

seems something with DNA

there has tobe human remains.

Tim Miller doesnt make that call without human remains.

No way does he do it just on a piece of fabric

blah, some of us here believe Natalee has indeed been found. I gave some "theories" yesterday on why it may not be public knowledge yet. Even oceanexplorer said he "liked my thinking." According to casa, I have no business speculating on "wild theories." casa claims I am interfereing with those that are really working on the case. Well, OE didn't seem to upset with me.

Well, all I know is that since casa has stopped posting that nonsense the energy level and "monkey karma" in the cage is back to where it should be.

[klaasend]

are there better pictures than the ones posted on the front page?

Yes here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355959#msg355959

[Anna]

O/T

Anidac,

I had a son critically injured in auto accident in that area and he was airlifted to National Hospital Center where he received excellent care and did rehab at Sibley.  Wonderful medical facilities in that area.

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[KarmaRoundUp]

I totally remember watching the original video of this and seeing the searcher wipe his face with the peice of cloth.....as I yelled at my tv.
 

And our trusted and beloved poster 'bondia' told us that the 'searcher' holding the cloth was a Mansur. I have the post saved somewhere.

Based on bondia's track record and their complicitness in the cover up (hard to tell which psycho was actually posting, tho) I wonder who the 'searcher' really was.

Sure would like to ask the searcher a question or two.

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I didn't know bondia was anyones"beloved"
I think,if I recall correctly,that the searcher was from the national park reserve or something like that.I don't think he was part of ALE.Wasn't that around the time they found the duct tape and hairs?

[wreck]

#1 -Not that I have to but I'd like to apologize to everyone for the SM member last night who managed to insult everyone here. 

#2 -I'd like to find out if Dick Cheney is in Aruba or not.  We know AF2 is there.  We also know there's some kind of Homeland Security meeting going on.  Glenda posted at RU today that they (AF2) arrived last night and is scheduled to leave on Monday. 

#3 - I'll be working and lurking today 

No need to apologize to me! You are the one who deserves the apology.

Someone who knows their aircraft better than me should look at the actual "Air Force 2" pic. That plane is definitely an "old" AF1 -- but I'm thinking it may be the "707" model. I believe Cheney actually has a 757 he travels on these days. I'm guessing Cheney himself is not on Aruba -- it's another Government official. Probably "Homeland Security".

[AZLady]

Morning Monkeys.  I'm glad I went to bed early last night.  The poor woman sounds deranged to me.  Hope she gets some rest.   I'm glad we're all back to normal.

[Jo-An]

Anidac, these are for your daughter, some tulips from Amsterdam.

[blah]

are there better pictures than the ones posted on the front page?

Yes here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355959#msg355959

Wow, much better, thanks!!

[AZLady]

Anidac, best wishes for your daughter's full recovery.  That's a very scary phone call you received. 

[MumInOhio]

All I could find at a quick glance...

Delegacion di Homeland Security a yega Aruba       
Friday, 29 February 2008 
 

Durante e dianan di 27 pa 29 di februari 2008 un delegacion di Homeland Security ta di bishita na Aruba y cual ta encabeza pa Mr. David W. Tiedge, DHS Office of International Affairs. Meta di nan bishita ta pa delibera cu representantenan di gobierno riba un extension di e acuerdo existente entre Aruba y Merca relaciona cu e US/Aruba Pre Clearance na nos Aeropuerto Internacional Reina Beatrix y en especial  pa loke ta e aspectonan di seguridad y screening di avionetanan priva na e General Aviation Universal.
 

E delegacion ta consisti tambe di Ms. Erica Bomsey, DHS Office of the General Counsel, Ms. Alexis Pierce, DHS Office of International Affairs, Ms. Kimberly Hailey, CBP Pre-clearance, Ms. Lesleyanne Kessler, CBP Office of the General Counsel y Ms. Lee Ann Harty, Port Director CBP Aruba.


Durante nan estadia na Aruba e delegacion a haci un inspeccion tambe di e facilidadnan na e General Aviation Universal.

Na Aruba sra. Drs. Eleisah Williams, kende ta Head Political, Economic and Consular Affairs di Departamento di Relacion di Exterior a acompaña e delegacion aki.

Asina pues por mira cu a bin un ’follow up’ rapido, despues cu un delegacion di Homeland Security encabeza pa e Deputy Assistant Secretary di e Departamento di Homeland Security for Policy, sr. Paul Rosenzweig ya a bishita Minister President sr. Nelson Oduber dia 10 di januari ultimo. Esaki un biaha mas ta muestra cu gobierno Mericano tin hopi confianza den e gobierno actual y tambe den e seguridad cu ta reina den e pais aki.


 

[Anna]

Yes, many of us watched the fabric swatch turned loose into the wind in the original video of that.  Then later, it was left off the end.

And for some reason, the cameraman seemed particularly focused on it as well as though he, too, recognized it as a part of Natalee's clothing.  The camera seemed to actually follow the fabric swatch around.

jmo

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[AZLady]

You know, I always seem to focus on motivations.  I was wondering about Casa's tirade last night and what might have set her off at this time.  We were discussing the photos right before she lit into us.  Perhaps we need to put more time into talking about these pics.  Might be more there than anyone wants us to talk about openly.

[blah]

Do we know if the Persistance raised this trap?

[Blonde]

blah, I bailed early so I wasn't here.  It appeared to be a misunderstanding over what we do here: discuss, speculate, examine, theorize, etc.  I think we were told we wouldn't solve the case right here because we weren't on the ground looking or something like that. 

I bailed early.  I'm glad I did.   I read thru it all when I got up this morning and it was confusing.  I scrolled alot.

I read all that BS but I dont see what Robin posted so it would "get out"

 

The pictures that are now here on the FP:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/page/2/

does anyone have bigger ones than whats posted here?  These  are hard to see

Their are larger pictures posted at RU under "The Trap" thread
Also thy were posted very early on a dutch site

[AZLady]

Do we know if the Persistance raised this trap?

I haven't heard that specifically.  Apparently, the FBI has tested the contents of the trap, so whether these were extracted while underwater or if it was raised, I dont' know.  OE's consistent statement is "no comment."

[AZLady]

According to Tim Miller in a TV interview, the DNA did not match Natalee's. 

[klaasend]

Yes, many of us watched the fabric swatch turned loose into the wind in the original video of that.  Then later, it was left off the end.

And for some reason, the cameraman seemed particularly focused on it as well as though he, too, recognized it as a part of Natalee's clothing.  The camera seemed to actually follow the fabric swatch around.

jmo

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I'm wondering if more of the fabric was found than what we saw?

[Anna]

Someone commented on the size of the trap.

I think most are basing the size on the video of the divers doing the thumbs down instead of the still photos.  At least that is what I am doing.  The trap would have to be very large compared to the size of the divers whom I am assuming are of average height.


jmo

[blah]

Do we know if the Persistance raised this trap?

I haven't heard that specifically.  Apparently, the FBI has tested the contents of the trap, so whether these were extracted while underwater or if it was raised, I dont' know.  OE's consistent statement is "no comment."

The fact they they wont comment is sort of encouraging.  You would think they would be willing to talk openly about how they found it, what they did with it and whatnot if it was just your typical garabage off the shores of Aruba.