Natalee Case Discussion #738 3/1 - 3/3/08

[blah]

Tim Miller makes a phone call, 99.9% sure they find Natalee

Joran goes into hiding

Interesting pictures show up online

Af2 on the island

Persistance suddenly packs it up

Mos cancels TV show appearance


I dont know, seems that something could be going on.....

Rob Smith a no-show at travel show

[Rob]

Tim Miller makes a phone call, 99.9% sure they find Natalee

Joran goes into hiding

Interesting pictures show up online

Af2 on the island

Persistance suddenly packs it up

Mos cancels TV show appearance


I dont know, seems that something could be going on.....

Hi Blah, I agree something is going on... but in my opinion - AF2 is a show of force. America does not need Aruba to launch any type of strike or assistance.

One battle group is all that is needed.

[Buckeye]

mmmmmmmmm..............okay Buckeye, I do remember the 2006 bust re: Coast Guard, but I can't seem to find it. I think it was on Scared Monkeys front page at the time. Sorry I can't find it.

Sorry Nut, been out a bit.  I haven't had much luck, either.  I remember it the same as you. 

[bluwaters]

I don't know if this says anything of interest. Are there any translators with us today?

Kustwacht voor de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba
http://www.kustwacht.an/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=230&Itemid=42

Commando overdracht kustwachtcutter Panter op Aruba (07-07-2006)       
   
Gisteren in de ochtenduren vond het commando overdracht van de kustwachtcutter Panter plaats bij het kustwacht steunpunt te Aruba in het bijzijn van genodigden en kustwachtmedewerkers. De huidige gezagvoerder, LTZ2OC Paul Bijleveld die vertrekt na twee en een half jaar naar Nederland om een andere functie te vervullen, terwijl LTZ2OC Frank Oudhuis, de nieuwe gezagvoerder zal worden voor de Panter.De plaatsvervangend directeur de heer Peter de Witte prees gezagvoerder Bijleveld voor de vele successen van de Panter in het kader van oa. drugsbestrijding en illegale immigratie. Enkele voorbeelden hiervan zijn de onderschepping van 400 kilo cocaïne ten zuiden van Curaçao in april, onderschepping van 800 kilo cocaïne op 100 mijl ten noorden van Bonaire in een gezamenlijke actie, onderschepping van marihuana op de sleepboot 'Troll' op Sint Maarten en ook recentelijk redding van het brandend barkje 'Gaviota III' nabij Aruba. Hij kreeg hiervoor ook een beloning. Paul genoot ook van het volste vertrouwen van zijn bemanning die hij ook op zijn beurt beloonde voor het goede werk die zij verricht hebben. Aan de nieuwe gezagvoerder LTZ2OC Frank Oudhuis werd alle succes toegewenst in zijn nieuwe functie. Frank Oudhuis heeft in het verleden ook met het fregat de Hr. Ms. van Speijk gevaren en is niet onbekend met de West.

[Pita]

MF reporting that the people from AF2 partied at Señor Frogs and the Renaissance hotel ..lol

and Glenda bashes Kyle>>>>>>>>
Kyle is FOS

Dear Kyle,

Your efforts to recover Natalee are applauded, but I'm sorry to tell you that there was never a Crab/Fish Trap stolen. There is no indication that Natalee is in a Crab/Fish Trap or her remains could possibly be found off the coast of Aruba. Moss said you are looking for a needle in a haystack.

Feel free to search... But DON'T SAY THAT ARUBA DOESN'T HAVE the capabilities to search for Natalee. 10s of Millions have been spent searching for Natalee. Where was the Persistence when the Dutch was asked for their expertise in your home port Louisiana after Katrina?

Don't compare your misinformed efforts to what the Dutch is more than capable of doing if there were valid indications.

Regards from Aruba

According to several people on the island, there was a fish trap stolen. 

You're right Julia.....tens of millions have been spent, but on a coverup! 

If Aruba has the capabilities, why didn't they search the waters using the same technology as the Persistence?   Is it because they KNOW Natalee isn't there?

Just more BS.......

[Rob]

I've been following US Foreign policy forever. I have never seen AF 1 or 2 used to retrieve a body. Even the meals on wheels adventures of the Clinton Admin never did anything like that.

I would be surprised if that plane is there because of Natalee. Stranger things have happened, but it's not making sense to me.

[Blonde]

Glenda Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:48 pm   
Kyle is FOS

Dear Kyle,

Your efforts to recover Natalee are applauded, but I'm sorry to tell you that there was never a Crab/Fish Trap stolen. There is no indication that Natalee is in a Crab/Fish Trap or her remains could possibly be found off the coast of Aruba. Moss said you are looking for a needle in a haystack.

Feel free to search... But DON'T SAY THAT ARUBA DOESN'T HAVE the capabilities to search for Natalee. 10s of Millions have been spent searching for Natalee. Where was the Persistence when the Dutch was asked for their expertise in your home port Louisiana after Katrina?

Don't compare your misinformed efforts to what the Dutch is more than capable of doing if there were valid indications.

Regards from Aruba
 

[private eye]

I thought after the US took her collective bowel movement and flushed Rentahoe to Aruba, that would be the last we would here from her, being that turds don't talk and this one in particular always has something in her mouth. Bit apparently Aruba has all sorts of capabilities since turds apparently can talk in Aruba

[Anna]

MF reporting that the people from AF2 partied at Señor Frogs and the Renaissance hotel ..lol

and Glenda bashes Kyle>>>>>>>>
Kyle is FOS

Dear Kyle,

Your efforts to recover Natalee are applauded, but I'm sorry to tell you that there was never a Crab/Fish Trap stolen. There is no indication that Natalee is in a Crab/Fish Trap or her remains could possibly be found off the coast of Aruba. Moss said you are looking for a needle in a haystack.

Feel free to search... But DON'T SAY THAT ARUBA DOESN'T HAVE the capabilities to search for Natalee. 10s of Millions have been spent searching for Natalee. Where was the Persistence when the Dutch was asked for their expertise in your home port Louisiana after Katrina?

Don't compare your misinformed efforts to what the Dutch is more than capable of doing if there were valid indications.

Regards from Aruba

This statement tends to make her sound as she knows where the body is

She made a post one time about how traumatizing it would be for a young person to have to handle cold, dead flesh.  I believe Klaas also remembers this.  Lost it in one of my hackings, however, so don't have copy of actual post any more.

.

[Rob]

Glenda Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:48 pm   
Kyle is Fantastic FOS

Dear Kyle,

Your efforts to recover Natalee are applauded, but I'm happy sorry to tell you that there was never a Crab/Fish Trap stolen. There is every no indication that Natalee is in a Crab/Fish Trap or her remains could possibly be found off the coast of Aruba. Moss said you are looking in the right direction for a needle in a haystack.

Feel free to search... But DON'T SAY THAT ARUBA DOESN'T HAVE the capabilities to search for Natalee. 1 dollar10s of Millions have been was spent searching for Natalee. Where was the the good ship Lollypop Persistence when the Dutch was asked for their expertise in your home port Malmok Louisiana after Katrina?

Don't compare your misinformed efforts to what the Dutch is more than capable of doing if there were valid indications.

Bullcrap Regards from Aruba
 

There, I fixed it.

[private eye]

MF reporting that the people from AF2 partied at Señor Frogs and the Renaissance hotel ..lol

and Glenda bashes Kyle>>>>>>>>
Kyle is FOS

Dear Kyle,

Your efforts to recover Natalee are applauded, but I'm sorry to tell you that there was never a Crab/Fish Trap stolen. There is no indication that Natalee is in a Crab/Fish Trap or her remains could possibly be found off the coast of Aruba. Moss said you are looking for a needle in a haystack.

Feel free to search... But DON'T SAY THAT ARUBA DOESN'T HAVE the capabilities to search for Natalee. 10s of Millions have been spent searching for Natalee. Where was the Persistence when the Dutch was asked for their expertise in your home port Louisiana after Katrina?

Don't compare your misinformed efforts to what the Dutch is more than capable of doing if there were valid indications.

Regards from Aruba

This statement tends to make her sound as she knows where the body is

She made a post one time about how traumatizing it would be for a young person to have to handle cold, dead flesh.  I believe Klaas also remembers this.  Lost it in one of my hackings, however, so don't have copy of actual post any more.

.

Go tell it to Cheney and the Persistence. They are there with you so you can do it hoe to man, up close and personal

[jackb]

I'm sorry but that man is REALLY scary looking.

d

He is a very scary man and evil.

Night All!

He needs to go quail hunting with the VP.  jack b

[private eye]

Glenda Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:48 pm   
Kyle is Fantastic FOS

Dear Kyle,

Your efforts to recover Natalee are applauded, but I'm happy sorry to tell you that there was never a Crab/Fish Trap stolen. There is every no indication that Natalee is in a Crab/Fish Trap or her remains could possibly be found off the coast of Aruba. Moss said you are looking in the right direction for a needle in a haystack.

Feel free to search... But DON'T SAY THAT ARUBA DOESN'T HAVE the capabilities to search for Natalee. 1 dollar10s of Millions have been was spent searching for Natalee. Where was the the good ship Lollypop Persistence when the Dutch was asked for their expertise in your home port Malmok Louisiana after Katrina?

Don't compare your misinformed efforts to what the Dutch is more than capable of doing if there were valid indications.

Bullcrap Regards from Aruba
 

There, I fixed it.

Hey, and Aruba ain't Holland, remember, you all are a soverign nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anna]

I've been following US Foreign policy forever. I have never seen AF 1 or 2 used to retrieve a body. Even the meals on wheels adventures of the Clinton Admin never did anything like that.

I would be surprised if that plane is there because of Natalee. Stranger things have happened, but it's not making sense to me.

It doesn't make sense to me, either, Rob.  A head of state like president or vice president would never interfere or even insinuate themselves into the judicial processes of any sovereign state which Aruba keeps screaming about being.  VP's dont interact with police or prosecutors, etc.  Cheney would only be dealing with someone on Oduber's level and we know what a waste of time and effort that would be.

And Cheney's health is so bad that I don't think he does much traveling at all for any reason.  The only reason I was thinking escort of body is that traditionally the Vice President does attend State Funerals.

Lame connection, I know.  But I just want to know what the heck is going on and am making wild speculations I guess.

.

[private eye]

I'm sorry but that man is REALLY scary looking.

d

He is a very scary man and evil.

Night All!

He needs to go quail hunting with the VP.  jack b

I bet being a Texan Chaney has tasted barbequed goat, and that face of Rudy's has been compared to some parts of a goat, so Rudy, if he asks you to go hunting you better think twice about it

[klaasend]

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-2244-p-2.html

Macbeach
Thursday, June 9th, 2005, 08:59 AM

It is being reported this morning that the 3 teenagers "last seen" with Natalee have been arrested. Perhaps it started out as a "private party" on the beach which went wrong. There are ads all the time on the radio about ectasy causing seizures and death. The storyline on these ads is that it was going to be a party, a lot of fun and then the person had seizures, "911", and death. I wonder what confirmation that they have that they dropped Natalee off? According to other posts here, her friends were sitting outside around the pool late into the night. Is there any evidence that anyone saw her come back to the hotel? It seems with a lot of her friends "hanging out" that someone would have seen her. Also, security cameras didn't show her in the hotel.

[Rob]

The dingbat spells CELL with one "L" and Mos with two "S's"... go figure.

[Tamikosmom]

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-2244-p-2.html

Posted by Luli on Monday, June 6th, 2005, 11:55 AM:

This was the content of the press conference...

-Yesterday at 10.30 the Interin Minister Rudy Croes decided that at 2.00 PM there will be a massive search on Aruba.

-They didn't talk about the investigation itself as they have no updates , they are still interogating the two men.

-Rob Smith (an american)chairperson of a foundation talked about how much money they spend to make sure the hotel area is a safe place. And stressed that Aruba is still a safe island- this could have happened anywhere or to anyone including locals. He also stated that he has been living on the island for 8 years now, he also has 2 teenage daughters. He stated that he always felt safe on the island.

-Trudy Hassell:
They are planning a national united effort to try to find Ms. Holloway. They are currently uniting several organisations that want to help, the marine corps, tje national red cross, park rangers, police and civilians. They are going to search systematically. They are asking for anyone who wants to help to come in contact with them. They think thousands of people will be helping with this search, but they have to wait to see how many people will show up. They are not telling where exactly they are going to search. They are meeting at the Sporthall in Sta Cruz. What kind of search? Two groups : one hitting the field together with the marine corps - the other group going house to house with a police officer asking people for information. They are going to be careful not to break any laws. The divers are working this moment at the coast. They have a plan, but don't want to elaborate on it.

-A member of the press also asked about the news that there are disturbing evidence that show that Natalee didn't run away. The question wasn't answered.

-They also talked about the last time a crime (assualt) happened with was against a tourist. Which was in the 90's. The crime was resolved.

-They talked about news anchors being very harsh when they don't know anything about the island. Talking about drugs and prostitution on the island and many things that are just not accurate.

-They talked about the different chatboards that are giving correct information about the island's safety( people who actually-repeatedly- visited the island) They are happy with that.

-The resort section (hotels) are also giving some employees the chance to help with the search.

-They have asked if the news achors have made research about the history of Aruba's tourism. They all gave a flat NO.

-What makes this case worse is that under Dutch Laws a person 18 years or older is considered an adult an therefore they cannot deny someone if they want to buy drinks.

-It hurts the Police that there are so many wrong accusations against them esp. in how they are working on the case. They stress that they have to treat this case differently because of the law. They don't consider Natalee as a minor, but as an adult.

Well this was it....I hope I gave a good summary of the press conference. I was typing and listening to the press conference at the same time trying not to miss a thing. (very hard to do..hehe)

Will keep you posted if I get new information.

Luli

Allowing known drug addicts to camp in bushes outside of hotel rooms ... is not "keeping the hotel area safe".

Janet

+++++++++++

Joe Tacopina
On the Record w' Greta
May 17, 2006

GRETA: Booty is enormously…Booty is someone who hangs out on the beach, made a live on the beach. Someone who I have been told has a criminal history. He is there sometimes at night…has access to a boat, is the brother in law of Gerald Dompig.

JOE: And…most importantly, he had a hut on the beach and he showed us where it was that had a direct shot into the room stayed at that night. We were there…the beach that he lived in, I mean literally stayed on this beach out there. What you have to understand this climate permits something like that. It’s just a cover and that’s where he stayed.

[Anna]

mmmmmmmmm..............okay Buckeye, I do remember the 2006 bust re: Coast Guard, but I can't seem to find it. I think it was on Scared Monkeys front page at the time. Sorry I can't find it.

Here is a drug bust involving Dutch Marines with 700 pounds of cocaine but involved the use of official aircraft instead of naval vessels.

http://lmtonline.com/news/archive/071698/pagea11.pdf

I remember a big drug bust, too, and think it involved the watercraft instead of this one for aircraft but believe this one has the right timing.  Dunno.

.

International Narcotics Control Strategy Report - 2006

Aruba

snipped...

The Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (CGNAA) scored a number of impressive successes in 2005. The CGNAA was responsible for several seizures of cocaine, heroin, and marijuana. In July, the CGNAA, for the first time, detained a vessel in international waters and escorted it back to territorial waters where a search resulted in the seizure of approximately 800 kilograms of cocaine. In August, the CGNAA supported a controlled delivery in international waters where approximately 300 kilograms of cocaine were seized. The CGNAA’s three cutters, outfitted with rigid-hull inflatable boats (RHIBs) and new ‘super’ RHIBs designed especially for counternarcotics work in the Caribbean, demonstrated their utility against "go-fast" boats and other targets.
snipped...

The most impressive seizure during 2005 was a three-week surveillance operation on a shipping vessel which ultimately netted 2040 kilograms of cocaine. The operation was conducted as a joint effort between three countries including the United States.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/2006/vol1/html/62108.htm

BUMP!!!

That's it, Pita.  You, vms and Janet have EVERYTHING!  I mean awesome archives on all of this and you can actually find things in yours unlike some of us who have things but they are filed so badly I can't find anything in my own.

Thank you so much.  I knew this happened and recalled it happening but could not find anything on the use of the naval vessels and knew it was even bigger bust than the one I posted that involved aricraft.

.

[Anna]

Is it about Hugo that the plane is there?

Tax Cut For Hugo?
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, February 29, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Energy: If there's anything more dumbfounding than the House's imposition of higher taxes on oil companies, thereby guaranteeing higher prices at the pump, it's the exemption voted for Venezuela's state oil firm.. . . . .

Last year, by the way, Venezuela confiscated assets worth about $6 billion from all five of these same American companies.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=289181621989466