Natalee Case Discussion #738 3/1 - 3/3/08

[Rob]

Welcome Katrien... and very nice first post. ******* has a way of finding good people on the Dutch Boards and steering them over here to us....LOL

[Anna]

To all the new posters

[Rob]

Hi all,

Im a friend of ******* and new here.. So hi!!

I have a question.. what was the official statement of the crew of the persistence about leaving Aruba?

Welcome Flipper!

The Persistence crew says they ran out of funds to continue the search but have marked all their targets.  Hopes are that enough funds will come in to send another ship better suited to the ROV can be sent back to Aruba and finish looking at those targets.

I agree with Red Klaas. They got the hell outta Dodge lickity split. Kyle left a vapor trail all the way to the airport. Something is going on there.

[jackb]

MF reporting that the people from AF2 partied at Señor Frogs and the Renaissance hotel ..lol

and Glenda bashes Kyle>>>>>>>>
Kyle is FOS

Dear Kyle,

Your efforts to recover Natalee are applauded, but I'm sorry to tell you that there was never a Crab/Fish Trap stolen. There is no indication that Natalee is in a Crab/Fish Trap or her remains could possibly be found off the coast of Aruba. Moss said you are looking for a needle in a haystack.

Feel free to search... But DON'T SAY THAT ARUBA DOESN'T HAVE the capabilities to search for Natalee. 10s of Millions have been spent searching for Natalee. Where was the Persistence when the Dutch was asked for their expertise in your home port Louisiana after Katrina?

Don't compare your misinformed efforts to what the Dutch is more than capable of doing if there were valid indications.

Regards from Aruba

This statement tends to make her sound as she knows where the body is

She made a post one time about how traumatizing it would be for a young person to have to handle cold, dead flesh.  I believe Klaas also remembers this.  Lost it in one of my hackings, however, so don't have copy of actual post any more.

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Go tell it to Cheney and the Persistence. They are there with you so you can do it hoe to man, up close and personal

 

If what I am seeing in this case is correct.  Joran and his cohorts have had plenty of experience with "cold dead flesh," be it animal and/or human. This is the only one that has been exposed up until now.   Jack b

[Flipper/Donnie29]

Btw since Katrien made such a nice first post i feel i need to tell a bit about myself to..

Im a guy from Holland and interested in the case from the beginning.. but last november i saw a documentary of peter de vries and i saw so many things that i dived on top of it.. i learned about the rebound topic, and through the guidance of *******(he gave me alot of links to read about) i read so many things, from statements to riehl world etc etc.. i also read Dave's book, in 3 nights.. what a good book, made my cry.. But know i learned so much, that its almost unbelievable the whole case.. especially the first month(the Deepak car/the house search etc)..

I hope they did find something, and what about the cage? Is the cage going to come back to the united states?

Thanks!

[AZSunny]

Thoughts...

1. If there is a potential for Chavez to attack Columbia, then they may have advised the Persistence crew to get out of dodge and into international waters quickly.  The arrival of AF2 and their immediate departure is very curious.

2. Kyle stated that they would be returning, or another boat would be returning to complete the search of the other targets, but he didn't think there was anything in any of the  OTHER targets that are left to search except marine debris (I am paraphrasing here)

3. Kyle also said a month ago that things were going to get interesting, and to stay tuned.  He then mentioned a couple nights ago that the AF2 was not what he was suggesting. 

4. I can't believe the papers haven't captured pictures of the 'large' contingent from AF2. They also received approval to carry weapons?  I assume secret service, but for who? Who posted about the request to carry weapons?? Where did this info come from 24ORA?  Diario?

[AZLady]

After reading Caps' posts about the Panter, it now makes more sense why the Persistence left so quickly.  I do believe they found what they wanted.  I also think they have given the list of targets to the FBI to investigate.  I'm sure this has upset the Aruban coast guard and the Justice Minister Croes, for they have been using these "targets" for post office drops.  Translation:  these are large cages used to pass barrels of drugs from Venezuela to Europe-bound ships.  The Aruban Coast Guard is active in this process as well as knows who to turn a blind eye.  There is a well-established group of drug runners and the Coast Guard under Rudy Croes and Wever are in the thick of them.  Interesting.

[klaasend]

AIR23AC
Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 01:35 PM

just curious, but what radio station is reporting this? i wonder when this will(if it does) hit the mainstream news outlets............


and a quick note about renfro, i have seen her a few times. not sure i am ready to believe she is a totally unbiased reporter. 

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-2244-p-5.html

[AZLady]

From Dec. 5, 2007: http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/05/aruba-coast-guard-apprehends-12-illegals-boat-in-the-water-with-a-blue-drum-hmm/
The Panter apprehends anyone not on the approved "list."

[Buckeye]

Welcome to katrien and Flipper.

Flipper

I don't think there has been an "official" Persistence declaration addressing the end of the search.  At least, I didn't find one at their site. Maybe something official when they are closer to home???

[Pita]

Allowing known drug addicts to camp in bushes outside of hotel rooms ... is not "keeping the hotel area safe".

Janet

+++++++++++

Joe Tacopina
On the Record w' Greta
May 17, 2006

GRETA: Booty is enormously…Booty is someone who hangs out on the beach, made a live on the beach. Someone who I have been told has a criminal history. He is there sometimes at night…has access to a boat, is the brother in law of Gerald Dompig.

JOE: And…most importantly, he had a hut on the beach and he showed us where it was that had a direct shot into the room stayed at that night. We were there…the beach that he lived in, I mean literally stayed on this beach out there. What you have to understand this climate permits something like that. It’s just a cover and that’s where he stayed.

Does anybody know if Boeti ever worked at Moomba's?  He is wearing a Moomba shirt in this picture.

[AZSunny]

After reading Caps' posts about the Panter, it now makes more sense why the Persistence left so quickly.  I do believe they found what they wanted.  I also think they have given the list of targets to the FBI to investigate.  I'm sure this has upset the Aruban coast guard and the Justice Minister Croes, for they have been using these "targets" for post office drops.  Translation:  these are large cages used to pass barrels of drugs from Venezuela to Europe-bound ships.  The Aruban Coast Guard is active in this process as well as knows who to turn a blind eye.  There is a well-established group of drug runners and the Coast Guard under Rudy Croes and Wever are in the thick of them.  Interesting.

Any thoughts that the AF2 plane was loaded with only drug enforcement FBI agents???

[private eye]

Btw since Katrien made such a nice first post i feel i need to tell a bit about myself to..

Im a guy from Holland and interested in the case from the beginning.. but last november i saw a documentary of peter de vries and i saw so many things that i dived on top of it.. i learned about the rebound topic, and through the guidance of *******(he gave me alot of links to read about) i read so many things, from statements to riehl world etc etc.. i also read Dave's book, in 3 nights.. what a good book, made my cry.. But know i learned so much, that its almost unbelievable the whole case.. especially the first month(the Deepak car/the house search etc)..

I hope they did find something, and what about the cage? Is the cage going to come back to the united states?

Thanks!

Its nice to meet both of you and you are both much needed contributors. Your post was just as good.. PS Your name is the name of one of my favorite child hood shows. I wish Flipper was still alive as I know Flipper would have already solved this case:)

[klaasend]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

AF2 arrived on Friday night with plans to take a few hour trip south and then return to Aruba to refuel prior to returning to the US.

[AZLady]

After reading Caps' posts about the Panter, it now makes more sense why the Persistence left so quickly.  I do believe they found what they wanted.  I also think they have given the list of targets to the FBI to investigate.  I'm sure this has upset the Aruban coast guard and the Justice Minister Croes, for they have been using these "targets" for post office drops.  Translation:  these are large cages used to pass barrels of drugs from Venezuela to Europe-bound ships.  The Aruban Coast Guard is active in this process as well as knows who to turn a blind eye.  There is a well-established group of drug runners and the Coast Guard under Rudy Croes and Wever are in the thick of them.  Interesting.

Any thoughts that the AF2 plane was loaded with only drug enforcement FBI agents???

It seems logical.  But then they couldn't use the AF2 call sign if they didn't have Cheney aboard.  So who identified the plane as AF2?  All we saw in the pic was that it was an official USA government plane.  It may not be AF2, but DEA agents.

[AZLady]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

AF2 arrived on Friday night with plans to take a few hour trip south and then return to Aruba to refuel prior to returning to the US.

And, we know Glenda lies.  But mixed in with the lies is the truth.  Could this be the DEA, very high level DEA, shutting down the post office?

[San]

Posted by Glenda at RU:

AF2 arrived on Friday night with plans to take a few hour trip south and then return to Aruba to refuel prior to returning to the US.

So according to Glenda they only used Aruba to take a dump and then return home.  That makes sense to me.

[bluwaters]

Welcome to our new friends! 

I don't know if this says anything of interest. Are there any translators with us today?

Kustwacht voor de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba
http://www.kustwacht.an/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=230&Itemid=42

Commando overdracht kustwachtcutter Panter op Aruba (07-07-2006)       
   
Gisteren in de ochtenduren vond het commando overdracht van de kustwachtcutter Panter plaats bij het kustwacht steunpunt te Aruba in het bijzijn van genodigden en kustwachtmedewerkers. De huidige gezagvoerder, LTZ2OC Paul Bijleveld die vertrekt na twee en een half jaar naar Nederland om een andere functie te vervullen, terwijl LTZ2OC Frank Oudhuis, de nieuwe gezagvoerder zal worden voor de Panter.De plaatsvervangend directeur de heer Peter de Witte prees gezagvoerder Bijleveld voor de vele successen van de Panter in het kader van oa. drugsbestrijding en illegale immigratie. Enkele voorbeelden hiervan zijn de onderschepping van 400 kilo cocaïne ten zuiden van Curaçao in april, onderschepping van 800 kilo cocaïne op 100 mijl ten noorden van Bonaire in een gezamenlijke actie, onderschepping van marihuana op de sleepboot 'Troll' op Sint Maarten en ook recentelijk redding van het brandend barkje 'Gaviota III' nabij Aruba. Hij kreeg hiervoor ook een beloning. Paul genoot ook van het volste vertrouwen van zijn bemanning die hij ook op zijn beurt beloonde voor het goede werk die zij verricht hebben. Aan de nieuwe gezagvoerder LTZ2OC Frank Oudhuis werd alle succes toegewenst in zijn nieuwe functie. Frank Oudhuis heeft in het verleden ook met het fregat de Hr. Ms. van Speijk gevaren en is niet onbekend met de West.

[private eye]

Hello,
******* introduced me to this forum. I live in Holland.

Since November last year I am reading about the Natalee Holloway case. One of my colleagues was much longer very interested. She followed everything and told me that she suspected the father of Joran being very deep involved in this case. When this colleague told me this I was more interested in something else.

 In November last year someone started a subject on a Dutch board called: ”Natalee Holloway in the rebound”.  Pictures were shown of Mr. v.d. Sloot, sitting next to Nathalee in the casino the night she disappeared. I remembered the words of my colleague and started to follow the postings. A few weeks later ******* came to post on the board as well. He and Johan 555 brought in a lots information. I was shocked.

Last week some of Joran’s friends and people, obviously being paid by de family of Joran, are posting on the board.  They bring lies and misinformation on behalf of Joran.
A few days ago I bought the Dutch translation of the book of Mrs. Holloway. The book confirms everything a lot of people could guessed already.  Joran and his father must have something to hide.
******* is in the Dutch board being attacked very badly by the friends of Joran and the people paid by family VanderSloot. I stopped reacting  against the ridiculous nonsense. Everybody who is able to think and count knows these are lies.
Today they claim that Mrs. Holloway phoned with Nathalee. This was according to Joran’s friends told by Mrs. Holloway in one of the shows of Dr. Phil.  I saw a few shows, but did not hear Mrs. Holloway tell anything like that. What these people do is slander and revilement.
Well, this goes on and on. There is also a horrible female journalist named Renee Gielen. She tells”I can see in the eyes of Mrs. Holloway that she is lying”. This woman is evil.

By the way: on the Dutch radio is told that Joran went in a psychiatric hospital.
(It is possible that Joran is taken there for psychiatric reasons but it is also possible that he there because his father advised him to do so, so he can try to clame a lot of money).

Anyway,  I let you know what happens in Holland every now and then.

And I hope he claims and wins a lot so he will be able to pay Beth what she will win from him:)

[Nut44x4]