Natalee Case Discussion #738 3/1 - 3/3/08

[Ono]

Just to reiterate my earlier speculation:

The fact that the cage is MUCH larger than anticipated pretty much rules out that Natalee was disposed of the first night. This also pretty much guarantees that a large ship (or helicopter) was involved. Put that together and you have a VERY large, coordinated cover-up.
I think they may have the "goods" on the Aruban Government being involved.

That makes a lot of sense.

[teacat]

Wait.... I just watched it again and Hansen says " the day they FIRST saw that trap, Christmas Eve......" and the gentlemen are watching a video with the date and timestamp reading 12/29.

" The next day,........ Hans Mos came on board to see what they had"  and they show footage of the vessel heading out, talks of double rainbows and dolphins leading the way and then another video with the timestamp of 12/30/


no mention of Christmas Day.
Does anyone know what gives with this discrepancy?

The divers giving the "thumbs down" on Dateline was staged. Apparently, The Persistence went BACK on the 29th to make the "recovery." JMO

Okay but the photos we have been scrutinizing also have  the 12/29 timestamp and IF the Persistence had already recovered the item from within 5 days prior, we would not be discussing week old photographs, .......and OE would not have been so adamant about not theorizing about photos that should not have been released.....I think

[Magnolia]

Wait.... I just watched it again and Hansen says " the day they FIRST saw that trap, Christmas Eve......" and the gentlemen are watching a video with the date and timestamp reading 12/29.

" The next day,........ Hans Mos came on board to see what they had"  and they show footage of the vessel heading out, talks of double rainbows and dolphins leading the way and then another video with the timestamp of 12/30/


no mention of Christmas Day.
Does anyone know what gives with this discrepancy?

The divers giving the "thumbs down" on Dateline was staged. Apparently, The Persistence went BACK on the 29th to make the "recovery." JMO

I agree Wreck.  It was all carefully planned but when Robin posted the pictures
it threw a monkeywrench in the plans, but I don't know why.

[wreck]

Wait.... I just watched it again and Hansen says " the day they FIRST saw that trap, Christmas Eve......" and the gentlemen are watching a video with the date and timestamp reading 12/29.

" The next day,........ Hans Mos came on board to see what they had"  and they show footage of the vessel heading out, talks of double rainbows and dolphins leading the way and then another video with the timestamp of 12/30/


no mention of Christmas Day.
Does anyone know what gives with this discrepancy?

The divers giving the "thumbs down" on Dateline was staged. Apparently, The Persistence went BACK on the 29th to make the "recovery." JMO

Is it possible that there were two traps? 

I got my dates messed up -- but my speculation is the same -- what we saw on "Dateline" was staged.

[Nut44x4]

1st is Photo from Aruba

and 2nd is a USAF Boeing C-40B VIP plane

they look the same to me

[hotping]

Wait.... I just watched it again and Hansen says " the day they FIRST saw that trap, Christmas Eve......" and the gentlemen are watching a video with the date and timestamp reading 12/29.

" The next day,........ Hans Mos came on board to see what they had"  and they show footage of the vessel heading out, talks of double rainbows and dolphins leading the way and then another video with the timestamp of 12/30/


no mention of Christmas Day.
Does anyone know what gives with this discrepancy?

The divers giving the "thumbs down" on Dateline was staged. Apparently, The Persistence went BACK on the 29th to make the "recovery." JMO

Is it possible that there were two traps? 

I got my dates messed up -- but my speculation is the same -- what we saw on "Dateline" was staged.

I remember reading either here or at BFN...Kyle saying that He was upset that Dateline ran the story when they did.... and that they had broke their agreement with Tim and Someone..anyone else read this...

[Flipper/Donnie29]

1st is Photo from Aruba

and 2nd is a USAF Boeing C-40B VIP plane

they look the same to me

The above is a boeing 757 if im correct.. the vip plane has 3 doors the above 4..

[klaasend]

Nut - different number on the tail

[wreck]

Nut - different number on the tail

There are several of this type aircraft in the fleet. There are even 2 exact replica 747 "AF1's"

[Finbar]

I've been following US Foreign policy forever. I have never seen AF 1 or 2 used to retrieve a body. Even the meals on wheels adventures of the Clinton Admin never did anything like that.

I would be surprised if that plane is there because of Natalee. Stranger things have happened, but it's not making sense to me.

What about JFK?


Fin

[Observer]

Welcome Flipper and Katrien,it is a honor to have you here!!!!!!!!!

[cubbeegirl]

Wait.... I just watched it again and Hansen says " the day they FIRST saw that trap, Christmas Eve......" and the gentlemen are watching a video with the date and timestamp reading 12/29.

" The next day,........ Hans Mos came on board to see what they had"  and they show footage of the vessel heading out, talks of double rainbows and dolphins leading the way and then another video with the timestamp of 12/30/


no mention of Christmas Day.
Does anyone know what gives with this discrepancy?

The divers giving the "thumbs down" on Dateline was staged. Apparently, The Persistence went BACK on the 29th to make the "recovery." JMO

Is it possible that there were two traps? 

I got my dates messed up -- but my speculation is the same -- what we saw on "Dateline" was staged.

I remember reading either here or at BFN...Kyle saying that He was upset that Dateline ran the story when they did.... and that they had broke their agreement with Tim and Someone..anyone else read this...

 Re: Ocean Search - Aruba - December 2007
« Reply #139 on: February 23, 2008, 07:03:29 PM » Reply with quote 

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My main regret with the broadcast is John Silvetti not getting the credit he was due.  John's the owner of the Persistence, owner of Marine Surveys LLC, and the field project manager of the search. 
Regardless how good of a production it was - Generally speaking, there should never be a broadcast giving details about an active investigation.  When the investigation is complete and no longer potentially sensitive to either the case, victims family, or suspect (s), then sure... why not broadcast it.  It is irresponsible and potentially damaging to do what they did (broadcasting the show while the search is still active) and they broke their agreement with Tim and John to make this production. 

[cubbeegirl]

Wait.... I just watched it again and Hansen says " the day they FIRST saw that trap, Christmas Eve......" and the gentlemen are watching a video with the date and timestamp reading 12/29.

" The next day,........ Hans Mos came on board to see what they had"  and they show footage of the vessel heading out, talks of double rainbows and dolphins leading the way and then another video with the timestamp of 12/30/


no mention of Christmas Day.
Does anyone know what gives with this discrepancy?

The divers giving the "thumbs down" on Dateline was staged. Apparently, The Persistence went BACK on the 29th to make the "recovery." JMO

I agree Wreck.  It was all carefully planned but when Robin posted the pictures
it threw a monkeywrench in the plans, but I don't know why.

Wreck and Magnolia.... I agree with both of you...and I wish I knew why Magnolia... might make alot of other things make more sense..

[Flipper/Donnie29]

Welcome Flipper and Katrien,it is a honor to have you here!!!!!!!!!

Thanks my friend, and its an honor to be here!

[JE]

Flipper, Katrien another welcome from a fellow newb

[hotping]

Wait.... I just watched it again and Hansen says " the day they FIRST saw that trap, Christmas Eve......" and the gentlemen are watching a video with the date and timestamp reading 12/29.

" The next day,........ Hans Mos came on board to see what they had"  and they show footage of the vessel heading out, talks of double rainbows and dolphins leading the way and then another video with the timestamp of 12/30/


no mention of Christmas Day.
Does anyone know what gives with this discrepancy?

The divers giving the "thumbs down" on Dateline was staged. Apparently, The Persistence went BACK on the 29th to make the "recovery." JMO

Is it possible that there were two traps? 

I got my dates messed up -- but my speculation is the same -- what we saw on "Dateline" was staged.

I remember reading either here or at BFN...Kyle saying that He was upset that Dateline ran the story when they did.... and that they had broke their agreement with Tim and Someone..anyone else read this...

 Re: Ocean Search - Aruba - December 2007
« Reply #139 on: February 23, 2008, 07:03:29 PM » Reply with quote 

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My main regret with the broadcast is John Silvetti not getting the credit he was due.  John's the owner of the Persistence, owner of Marine Surveys LLC, and the field project manager of the search. 
Regardless how good of a production it was - Generally speaking, there should never be a broadcast giving details about an active investigation.  When the investigation is complete and no longer potentially sensitive to either the case, victims family, or suspect (s), then sure... why not broadcast it.  It is irresponsible and potentially damaging to do what they did (broadcasting the show while the search is still active) and they broke their agreement with Tim and John to make this production. 

Thank You Cubbeegirl...makes You wonder...HMMMMM! Read his post very carefully......

[ocgirl]

This may have been posted already:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334409,00.html

Chavez Closes Venezuela's Embassy in Colombia; Orders Troops to Colombia Border
Sunday , March 02, 2008


President Hugo Chavez ordered Venezuela's embassy in Colombia closed and sent thousands of troops to the countries' border Sunday after Colombia's military killed a top rebel leader.

Chavez told his defense minister: "move 10 battalions to the border with Colombia for me, immediately." He ordered the Venezuelan Embassy in Bogota closed and said all embassy personnel would be withdrawn.

The announcements by Venezuela's leftist leader pushed relations to their tensest point of his nine-year presidency, and Chavez warned that Colombia could spark a war in South America. He called the U.S.-allied government in Bogota "a terrorist state" and labelled President Alvaro Uribe "a criminal."

(snipped)

Hey Klass--lurking and learning.....just needed to add a thought here....

If Columbia government is U.S. ally (not really in the know here)....then it is possible that AF2 is "on location" to provide safe haven for the removal of "friendly political allies" from a deteriorating situation in Columbia.....

Just food for thought......

While I'm here....thanks to Boston and NYC Natalee advocates.....and happy for the good outcome with Anidac's daughter.....welcome to the new Holland posters...kudos for wanting to "get at the truth"....returning to lurking mode now....(waving goodbye).....

ocgirl

[Observer]

Welcome to the cage OCgirl..Please don't lerk too much 

[Tamikosmom]

This may have been posted already:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334409,00.html

Chavez Closes Venezuela's Embassy in Colombia; Orders Troops to Colombia Border
Sunday , March 02, 2008


President Hugo Chavez ordered Venezuela's embassy in Colombia closed and sent thousands of troops to the countries' border Sunday after Colombia's military killed a top rebel leader.

Chavez told his defense minister: "move 10 battalions to the border with Colombia for me, immediately." He ordered the Venezuelan Embassy in Bogota closed and said all embassy personnel would be withdrawn.

The announcements by Venezuela's leftist leader pushed relations to their tensest point of his nine-year presidency, and Chavez warned that Colombia could spark a war in South America. He called the U.S.-allied government in Bogota "a terrorist state" and labelled President Alvaro Uribe "a criminal."

(snipped)

Thanks Klaas

I believe that the happenings in Venezuela are the reason the Vice President of the United States is in Aruba.

My youngest son's Dutch American FIL believes that Aruba's close ties with Hugo Chavez is at the root of both the Netherland and the United States' tolerance in regards to the corrupt Aruban administration.

Hugo Chávez is so dangerious to the security of world. He has a goal ... which IS NOT hidden and will ultimately threaten the security of United States of America. He had a plan is to acquire one small nation at a time ... building up strength throughout the Caribbean. Think about it ... Aruba is the stepping stone to American ... Cuba is a stone throw from the mainland.

The United States administration knows this yet ... it continues to appease ... tolerate this dictator. This approach only makes what was once the most feared/respected nation on the face of the earth appear weak and ... gives this dictator who is drunk with power more confidence to further his global agenda.

It is a truly sad day when this dictator is allowed to speak before the UN referring to the President of the United States as the "devil" and ... have no fear of retaliation.

If the United States goes down ... so does every appeasing/tolerant democratic nation in the world ... Canada included.

The free world has to wake up ... Islam and left-wing dictators are gaining strength through our weaknesses.

“The reality is that we must find peace through strength.”
Ronald Reagan, 1983

Janet

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Chavez: Bush 'devil'; U.S. 'on the way down'
POSTED: 1726 GMT (0126 HKT), September 21, 2006

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/20/chavez.un/index.html

[private eye]

Just to reiterate my earlier speculation:

The fact that the cage is MUCH larger than anticipated pretty much rules out that Natalee was disposed of the first night. This also pretty much guarantees that a large ship (or helicopter) was involved. Put that together and you have a VERY large, coordinated cover-up.
I think they may have the "goods" on the Aruban Government being involved.

about the disposing of the body: In the PRDV tape joran says as he is with "Daury" : I ll go to the casino tomorrow to be on camera. Why go on camera to establish some sort of alibi one day after the body has been disposed of?

His story has to fit his actions so he attempts to create a story that matches the facts?