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« Reply #620 on: March 02, 2008, 09:58:54 PM »

I'm hearing one guy talk about the hope for Aruba to rebound and the hope it will happen.
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« Reply #621 on: March 02, 2008, 09:59:08 PM »

Jossy said the plane did touch down in Aruba and he doesn't know who was in it or what the purpose was.

Jossy said he has people working on it right now.

Jossy said people are not particularly nervous about what is going on in Venezuela.

Jossy said it is just a rumor about Joran in a mental hospital.  From what they know Joran is in Germany and is staying with an uncle. His lawyer advised him not to walk the streets.
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Can you imagine being 18 and being stuck in your uncle's house in hiding?  AND with no light at the end of the tunnel?  It must be a living hell.  Good.

This moron will be 21 in about 5 months and I will say he is not hiding in Germany.  He is arrogant and doesn't give a sh!t.

At least he is not at his grandmothers he has graduated
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« Reply #622 on: March 02, 2008, 10:00:45 PM »

Capslock - anything interresting so far on Telearuba?
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« Reply #623 on: March 02, 2008, 10:02:16 PM »

Jossy says Joran is in Germany with an uncle

Says his lawyer advised him not to not walk the streets of Holland

Says we have to get answers, there are other leads coming up after the confession tape

Says he believes there is a cover-up from the beginning

Says is was strange that Mos comes from Holland and makes very foolish steps in the case right from the start

Says Van der Stratten not officially engaged in anything related to the case now

Says Aruban people are not fools and know there is a coverup, they are not indifferent to things, yet, he also says they can't do anything

Jossy not hearing anything else happening related to the case that we don't already know


I have a few friends in Germany. I'll see if they won't look him up and take him out to celebrate his birthday.
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« Reply #624 on: March 02, 2008, 10:02:22 PM »

the volume from the show it very low.
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« Reply #625 on: March 02, 2008, 10:02:25 PM »

I am really out of sync and need to tune into one of these shows. In the meantime, I came across this article from 1998:

http://lmtonline.com/news/archive/071698/pagea11.pdf

Dutch marine trio
jailed for smuggling

BY MARLISE SIMONS
c.1998 N.Y. Times Service
THE HAGUE, Netherlands —
Three Dutch marines involved in
drug-control efforts in the
Caribbean have been arrested
in connection with the smuggling
of close to 700 pounds of
cocaine to the Netherlands.
The drugs were carried on a
military plane that was normally
used in the anti-drug campaign
in the Dutch Antilles, the islands
off the Venezuelan coast.

Although the Dutch are known
for their lenient policy toward
soft drugs, the discovery of the
smuggling, which involved hard
drugs that are strictly outlawed,
has infuriated the government.
According to government investigators,
the marines apparently
were acting as couriers for civilian
drug smugglers based in
South America and the
Netherlands.
They could apparently carry
their goods with ease, because
there is little customs control
over military forces on the Dutch
island of Curacao, their point of
departure, or on the military air
base in the Netherlands that
was their destination.
The discovery of the smuggling
route is an embarrassment for
the Dutch government, which is
expecting an official visit from
Gen. Barry McCaffrey, the
American drugs policy adviser,
on Thursday.
That visit has itself stirred
anger in the government.
Although the general is ostensibly
coming here to observe how
the Dutch and other European
countries cope with drug use,
before his arrival he condemned
the Dutch drug policy in an interview
as “an unmitigated disaster.”
So far, three marines and 11
civilians have been arrested in
the last few days in connection
with the smuggling.
Government investigators
apparently had been watching
the network since March before
they intercepted a load of
cocaine as marines brought it off
the plane in bags in the
Netherlands. Another 100
pounds of cocaine were found in
the home of a Dutch sergeant
major living in Curacao.
The minister of defense said
the behavior of the marines was
“scandalous.” He said that “military
who deal in drugs are fired.”

My comment: Fired? Not arrested and prosecuted?!?!
One of the arrested men served
aboard the Dutch frigate, Pieter
Florisz, a ship that patrols the
Caribbean around the Antilles in
order to intercept drug smuggling
and coordinate with similar
American efforts.
Investigators said that they
were struck by the casual and
easy way the couriers could
operate: They simply carried
military canvas bags holding the
drugs on to the plane they were
taking from Curacao back to the
Netherlands or asked colleagues
to take an extra bag for
them.
At one point, one of the three
men, the sergeant major, found
that he had too large a load to
send on the plane, so he casually
took the remainder home,
according to investigators who
found about 100 pounds in the
man’s home in Curacao.
Investigators said the military
men had little idea where the
drugs were bought or where
they would end up because they
carried the drugs for an organization
of “big guys” based in
Amsterdam.

A spokesman for the Dutch
navy said that he could not be
certain that military aircraft or
vessels had never been used
before for drug smuggling and
that professional drug syndicates
that operate in the
Caribbean “inevitably pose a
risk.” From now on, he said, all
military luggage will be closely
inspected.
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« Reply #626 on: March 02, 2008, 10:02:42 PM »

Boston and Ny are two very different shows.

In Boston the Arubans were the major sponsor and spent enormous amounts of money on the largest booth in the best location and were the biggest part of the show. They have a lot of pull on everything like making it hell on the protesters. The amount of participants/foot traffic is not even close to NY,that is why Rob Smith was there.

In Ny they were just a regular participant and it explains the difference in the shows.
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« Reply #627 on: March 02, 2008, 10:04:02 PM »

Poentje talk abut the crisis and that Aruba did have not a grip on the crisis.

Bob said: that he was living in holland at that time and what they got in holland is the contravesial arrest about the two security guard.

The situation started as an issue and turn into a crisis and when he came to Aruba, He explain that their was not a central communication to mananged the information comming forwarth.

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Hans Mos: said that if any family of Joran is there he will not be attending, Also if Joran should call in for that option, I do not want to be part of the program....Why Why.

 

Is Hans Mos on the program or are they just telling what he said?
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« Reply #628 on: March 02, 2008, 10:04:14 PM »

I'm hearing one guy talk about the hope for Aruba to rebound and the hope it will happen.

They must hit bottom first, and tell the truth. Its not time for a rebound.
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« Reply #629 on: March 02, 2008, 10:05:32 PM »

next segment coming up
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« Reply #630 on: March 02, 2008, 10:06:21 PM »

next segment coming up

Rob - my volume is fine
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« Reply #631 on: March 02, 2008, 10:06:39 PM »

Anna, no Hans Mos so far... next segment looks to be Patrick
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« Reply #632 on: March 02, 2008, 10:06:40 PM »

Looking over some of Kyle's  postings I saw this one and wondered if this was why they left so soon
My God... what have we gotten into?
I've thought through a lot of things to date which all came to a point in this one article. This summarizes perfectly what I feared.

http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?act_id=2141&username=guest@tni.org&password=9999&publish=Y

Can someone PLEASE carefully read this article and give me some idea to what level I can believe what is written? If 50% is accurate, I am seriously worried about this adventure. The article is all about the Aruban Parliament, Free-zone / tax haven, drug trafficking, the Bankers of Cosa Nostra...Contrera's (The Cuntrera-Caruana clan specialized in laundering hundreds of millions of drug dollars), and transnational criminal holdings, and the five decades of narcotics dealings.
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Kyle may be highly intelligent but I think in this respect he may have lead a sheltered life.  I think it really surprised him.

First off Bravo to all in NYC!! 

(Normally I post on the front page, forum new to me……Forgive if I do something wrong. )

SM amazes, this is such an incredible site with remarkable people. 

Blonde,

Yes I saw that too. The entire article is well worth reading. Much jumped out at me esp. these paragraphs.  Evil Rudy has been swimming w/ sharks for a long time. And the Holiday Inn/Excelsior Casino shady rep’ goes way back too. 

I agree with Klaasend on all -

IMO, the article is helpful to understand and connect the “higher powers” More on them soon…

J4N!!!

A Smugglers' Paradise
The Intercon Financial Bank on Aruba is represented by the law-firm Croes & Wever. One of the partners is former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes. The firm's trust-company Arulex was implicated in setting up the bank. "Yes, we are involved with that bank," says Croes. "We still handle all their legal affairs, but we don't know anything of their financial accounts." (70)

Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition.

The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.


Paolo Cuntrera visited the island regularly despite his expulsion in 1988. The government opposed his legal actions for re-admittance. But Hendrik Croes has to admit the procedures were not stainless. A blundering government lawyer, an official who signed a residence permit 'by mistake', meant that de facto Paolo Cuntrera was able to circulate freely on the island.


According to Canadian police reports, in 1978, Pasquale Cuntrera owned the Holiday Inn Casino – although the registers indicated otherwise. "At the start of 1980s the Cuntrera's were often at the Holiday Inn casino," says a croupier. "In 1989 they were there again, although they were ostensibly thrown of the island."
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« Reply #633 on: March 02, 2008, 10:07:29 PM »

next segment coming up

Rob - my volume is fine

hmmm, are you on wireless?
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« Reply #634 on: March 02, 2008, 10:08:50 PM »

How about posting a link to the Aruban program now that Dana is over.


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« Reply #635 on: March 02, 2008, 10:09:04 PM »

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Dave is a good man who adored his daughter, so I know he searched every square inch of the landfill, which means you had the dubious honor of doing so as well:) Dave gave everything he had during that search. If working could have brought Natalee back, she would have been back. He laid it all out on the line for her.
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« Reply #636 on: March 02, 2008, 10:09:08 PM »

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« Reply #637 on: March 02, 2008, 10:10:17 PM »

next segment coming up

Rob - my volume is fine

hmmm, are you on wireless?

Nope although I do go through a wireless router but my PC is not wireless just my laptop.
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« Reply #638 on: March 02, 2008, 10:11:52 PM »

next segment coming up

Rob - my volume is fine

hmmm, are you on wireless?

Nope although I do go through a wireless router but my PC is not wireless just my laptop.

I tried to switch players and that didn't work. Mt volume is just not showing up that well I guess. Rob Smith on.
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« Reply #639 on: March 02, 2008, 10:12:14 PM »

Is this part of the show?  About the image of Aruba?
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