Natalee Case Discussion #738 3/1 - 3/3/08

[Anna]

All Patrick has to do is say he is such a liar himself that no one should belive, him, right?

Worked for Joran!

[billb's daughter]

Seems to me that the game plan of Aruba is to keep the focus off of Paulus, whether in defending Joran, or blaming Kalpoes, American media, internet blogs, and now Patrick. Whatever....all strategies are successfully keeping Paulus out of the spotlight. What does Paulus have that keeps him so protected? The article that Blonde http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?act_id=2141&username=guest@tni.org&password=
9999&publish=Y
brought forward got me to think of why Paulus can do this. He has been an integral point man in Aruba govt contracts; in that position, he was well placed to support the drug cartel in money laundering thru tourism, hotels, major construction projects, and probably drug  running activities. So, that is where Paulus gets his power. He is a major cog in the drug cartels on Aruba/Curacao/etc. Calling in favors to the drug cartels that now protect him (big bucks that pay for all the high priced lawyers for Joran and pimps). The MEP also benefits big time, and will protect Paulus to keep things as before, including Coast Guard assets.    Whether Paulus (and other connected persons in govt/elders) were participates in the gang rape and ultimate murder of Natalee is open to further discovery. I also think the Persistence found potential evidence to support drug cartel involvement, and that has substantial raised the bar wrt the case. Hans Mos came in to make everything fade away...the Persistence has now changed that.

Excellent post!

Could not agree more!!! 

Thanks to you both. The key is too follow the money! Paulus means something to someone to explain the protection/money. He does not make that as a govt employee/lawyer on Aruba.....Find the money trail and answers to this cover up will be revealed....

[hotping]

Well We can Definitely say that this was quite an exciting weekend in the Monkey Cage! Good Night ALL! Thanks Caps!

[billb's daughter]

billb,
Mose ven used that word, infiltrator, back in November before he was even supposed to know anything about de Vries and Patrick.

He used it as an example of how new evidence could be obtained.  Then suddenly later on, there it is!

I hate to think he did know all about this beforehand and we have just been played.  Again.

At first when Mos came onboard, he said all the right things and I strongly believed, like robots and others, that Mos was Natalee's shining knight! But over time, I have come to realize it was all a cover to make the case go away. MOO, when Mos got wind of a possible undercover taping of Joran, he arrested him to ensure the bar would be raised significantly to prevent a further arrest after the taped confession was released. In hind sight, we were played. If the drug cartel is involved as I believe, it is a much bigger uphill battle than merely getting justice for Natalee. To do that, a major piece of the drug cartel's money laundering and possible routes must be exposed. Now Mos may have come into this to do the right thing, but if that is the case, he must have been re-calibrated by higher powers....

[Observer]

I am convinced after reading it all that is why cheney cancelled his trip to turkey,obviously he had the intelligence and saw the troop movement and quickly flew to Aruba for diplomatic relations. Even after all the games and lies out of Aruba they are allies with our Govt and are important if a war breaks out,because they are only 18 miles off the Venezuelan coast. Unfortunately Natalee Holloway is the least of our Governments concerns right now.
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"Mr. Defense Minister, move 10 battalions to the border with Colombia for me, immediately — tank battalions. Deploy the air force," Chavez said during his weekly TV and radio program. "We don't want war, but we aren't going to permit the U.S. empire, which is the master (of Colombia) ... to come divide us."

"This could be the start of a war in South America," Chavez said. He warned Uribe: "If it occurs to you to do this in Venezuela, President Uribe, I'll send some Sukhois" — Russian warplanes recently bought by Venezuela.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080303/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_colombia

[texasmom]

Well We can Definitely say that this was quite an exciting weekend in the Monkey Cage! Good Night ALL! Thanks Caps!

Goodnight PC!

Thanks to everyone that helped by posting summaries of Dana's show and the Teleruba show!  It was greatly appreciated!

Goodnight Everyone!

[finngirl]

capslock is playing mind games, and I am too tired and feeling to pissy to play. 

If you can't talk straight, don't post at all Caps...good night!

First of all, I think if you spent some time reading and thinking about what CAPS had been posting here, you would not post this.

CAPS has provided some interesting deep background on Aruba. Maybe you should try and read some of it before you are so quick to dismiss.

It really worries me that some here see this an arm chair detective novel with no consequences. If what is true about the drug trafficking, and I believe it to be, then CAPS is placing great risk by seeking and speaking about these matters.

I think we should not press CAPS to be injected into this situation too deeply. I do not think it is worth one more human life. I think some of the other deaths there are drug related. Maybe even NH related.

This troubles me deeply.

Fin

extremely pertinent post ... IMHO

[suisse71]

Seems to me that the game plan of Aruba is to keep the focus off of Paulus, whether in defending Joran, or blaming Kalpoes, American media, internet blogs, and now Patrick. Whatever....all strategies are successfully keeping Paulus out of the spotlight. What does Paulus have that keeps him so protected? The article that Blonde http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?act_id=2141&username=guest@tni.org&password=
9999&publish=Y
brought forward got me to think of why Paulus can do this. He has been an integral point man in Aruba govt contracts; in that position, he was well placed to support the drug cartel in money laundering thru tourism, hotels, major construction projects, and probably drug  running activities. So, that is where Paulus gets his power. He is a major cog in the drug cartels on Aruba/Curacao/etc. Calling in favors to the drug cartels that now protect him (big bucks that pay for all the high priced lawyers for Joran and pimps). The MEP also benefits big time, and will protect Paulus to keep things as before, including Coast Guard assets.    Whether Paulus (and other connected persons in govt/elders) were participates in the gang rape and ultimate murder of Natalee is open to further discovery. I also think the Persistence found potential evidence to support drug cartel involvement, and that has substantial raised the bar wrt the case. Hans Mos came in to make everything fade away...the Persistence has now changed that.

Excellent post!

Could not agree more!!! 

Thanks to you both. The key is too follow the money! Paulus means something to someone to explain the protection/money. He does not make that as a govt employee/lawyer on Aruba.....Find the money trail and answers to this cover up will be revealed....

No sweat, thank you.  I mentioned this earlier I too had read that article - great information.  I luv the opening quote -

"A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another."

(IMO, Rudy Croes comes to mind along with the whole "Higher Powers" house of cards.)  It's always been about the money and there are so many money trails to follow.  Talk about a maze - maze of money & corruption. 

j4n!!!

[MumInOhio]

billb,
Mose ven used that word, infiltrator, back in November before he was even supposed to know anything about de Vries and Patrick.

He used it as an example of how new evidence could be obtained.  Then suddenly later on, there it is!

I hate to think he did know all about this beforehand and we have just been played.  Again.

Good Morning…

Anna…I went back a couple of weeks ago and found where the ‘infiltrator’ was first mentioned. It was November 25th 2007. I did post the link when I found it.

I went through a whole thread to find it and it took forever to find the first post it was mentioned, as I recalled discussing it. IIRC Mos could not legally use an ‘infiltrator’ and magically another ‘infiltrator’ appears a couple of months later.

I went back to find it to reconfirm my own opinion on this and until I see some proof otherwise I am sticking with it and the opinions I have formed on the re-arrests and following events because of this ‘infiltrator’. Obviously mine are not the popular opinion, but they are mine and I’m entitled to them...LOL... I  will not take anything Mos says at face value again, as his actions show he cannot be trusted. It all goes back to which lie out of Aruba you are going to believe.

I am of the opinion that lightening doesn’t strike very often in the same place twice. Well you could say it does in Aruba.

Another example…Geraldo on Fox…6/15/2005….the day of the ‘search’ at the van der Sloots…announced that the pimps were into making porn films. Following the posts of that day, there was an announcement of this on Fox and then no further comment by Geraldo the next day.

Fast forward to the end of August, and we see Freddy arrested for making the films. Lo and behold…lightning does strike twice in the same place on Aruba!

Thanks to all the New York Monkeys and to all for the transcriptions from last night!

[bluwaters]

They always say the simplest explanation is usually closest to the truth.  He threw his dead dog in the pond. 

This comment is especially chilling juxtaposed with Magnolia's and others' sweet remarks about their beloved lost pets.
Joran has NO conscience! 

[San]

[Jo-An]

Last Saturday there was a so called "Museumnight" in Rotterdam - Holland.
One group of artists (roodkapje.org (roodkapje means little red riding hood)) have a current show called "Absurdistan" and as part of this exhibition you could have your picture taken with a cardboard version of Joran. You put your head through the cardboard, where some other girl's head used to be and "click" there's you're picture with Joran saying:
"I sh*gged him"

Scroll down a little bit for the cardboard-Joran:
http://www.roodkapje-rotterdam.hyves.nl/

Absurdistan indeed. 

[private eye]

If Shango was Matthews, who is Matthews?

Anyone?

I think maybe it is that Euardo Mathew....the black Dutch guy who
had the telephone contract before they imprisoned him and gave
the contract to Charles Croes.  Mathew is the one who beat Ben Voking
to a pulp in the KIA

You know that seems so obvious now I never even thought about that

[bluwaters]

Hmmm, remember what Caps said about the pond search by Persistence?

CapsLockWizard  said:
   
   
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #736 2/27 -
« Reply #466 on: February 28, 2008, 10:27:38 PM »
   
Klaasend:

watch the news of tomorrow on what the comments are today from Hans MOS...He is pisst on the search in Monserat. My bother was telling me that MOS want to know all the detail and how they came about to that area.

...Hmmmmm..

I was not there to listen to the news today...but MOS is upset....

[Buckeye]

Youtubes of Teleruba program.  Warning Papiamentu...and beeping...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DHD60KDGGKU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_c_c6IcEEEA

[Buckeye]

Youtubes of Teleruba program.  Warning Papiamentu...and beeping...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DHD60KDGGKU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_c_c6IcEEEA

Thanks Carpe.  I didn't notice them on the media thread.

[Nut44x4]

Jossy:  It's still only a rumor about Joran in the hospital.  Family is still denying.  Jossy thinks Joran is staying with family in Germany.

Uncle Hitler's cousins' nephews' sister?? 

[MuffyBee]

 Life
   
   
Cincinnati.Com  »  The Enquirer  »  Life  »  Avoid perils of spring break
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Last Updated: 5:19 am | Monday, March 3, 2008
Avoid perils of spring break
BY LYNDA SHRAGER | ALBANY TIMES UNION

Every time my daughter gets up the courage to broach the subject of going away for spring break with her friends, I look at her and say two words: Natalee Holloway. This year she is a 21-year-old college junior, so I finally relented and said yes to a trip to Florida.

But don't for a moment think she'll be leaving without a lengthy tutorial plus a list of tips to pack next to her suntan lotion. The U.S. Department of State notes a relatively new requirement that all U.S. citizens must have passports to re-enter the country when traveling by air from Mexico, the Caribbean and Bermuda.

Each year more than 2,500 Americans are arrested for narcotics possession or intoxication in public places. Those who violate local laws could face severe penalties. Also, "foreign" safety standards aren't necessarily as stringent, and there have been many deaths from car accidents or falls from balconies.
A recent University of Wisconsin study reported that 75 percent of college males and 45 percent of females were intoxicated daily during spring break.

Beside potential alcohol poisoning, there is a strong connection between alcohol and drug use, and increased risky behavior. Choices about sex should be made while alert and sober to avoid becoming a victim of an assault, STD or unwanted pregnancy.

Some tips to ensure safety:

Don't go anywhere without using the buddy system. Three is best because if someone gets into trouble, one can stay while the other goes for help.

Don't leave drinks unattended; don't take drinks from strangers; and try to watch your drink being poured.

Don't let anyone in your group leave with someone he or she just met, no matter how persuasive.

Someone at home should have a copy of your complete itinerary, including hotels and cell phone numbers.

Carry appropriate ID, enter emergency contacts in your cell phone address book under the name "ICE" (in case of emergency) and have pertinent medical information in your wallet.
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080303/LIFE/803030307/1035

[MumInOhio]

CAREFUL...CHUCKIE...CAREFUL

charlierat  Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:51 pm
What with all their front page calls for vigilante justice, etc., it is easy to forget that the monKKKeys are really a funny bunch. Case in point, KKKinOhio posted this data about deaths on Aruba in response to a question about a tennis teacher drowning prior to Natalee's arrival on the island:

KKKinOhio wrote:
ARUBA Date of Death Place of Death Cause of Death July 12, 2004 ARUBA Drowning July 12, 2004 ARUBA Drowning January 26, 2005 ORANJESTAD, ARUBA Other Accident February 8, 2005 HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, ARUBA Drowning March 12, 2005 WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT, ARUBA Drug-Related June 8, 2006 HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, PALM BEACH, ARUBA Veh. Accid.-Auto October 4, 2006 SAN NICOLAS, ARUBA Drowning
Here is Liargal's response: Liargal wrote:
An awful lot of drownings on Aruba for such a small place. I don't think there are that many in the state of Florida per year.
Sure Liargal, four drownings over a two and half year period (from July 2004 through October 2006). Florida should be so lucky.

 

[Blonde]

The pond.  People keep mentioning ponds, as in throwing things in ponds and sidescan sonor searching of a pond.  Interesting.  They did sidescan sonor search in that pond  two days before they announced their departure.

I'd say yes

They always say the simplest explanation is usually closest to the truth.  He threw his dead dog in the pond. 




swamp near jorans house in montana