Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 - 3/5/08

[Bladerunner]

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Description:  We went to chill in a local bar in Noord, Aruba. This old man came to talk to us about a maiky farro that had stole something somewhere.

 

I posted that after you..Sounds like a local guy from the Noord/Orajanstead area.

Surname Farro in Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Posted by: Errol Farro (ID *****8571) Date: January 20, 2007 at 08:54:38
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My name is Errol Farro born in Aruba in 1961. I'm married and am the father of 3 sons. Farro family in Aruba is very large. I'm not sure when the first Farro came to Aruba but I suspect in the 19th century and from Italy. I'm still looking for this information. Any help with this or additional information is appreciated.

Who is Daniel Farro?

[private eye]

But Beth has been known to keep secrets. But she was elated and crushed already by one find, and I assumed it was this one. Not because of any misdeed, just the process.

[Silverfox]

Well.... Here is my take, for whatever it is worth and means.

1. Rumor that AF2 was/is on the island of Aruba, backed up by an alleged photo of the jet (has this photo really been confirmed?).

2. Quick departure of the Persistence (Thank God).

3. Assassination (or military strike) of/on a high-ranking FARC revolutionary official allegedly in Ecuador by the government of Columbia (with alleged U.S. Backing).

4. Some rumors (suggestions, logical conclusions, educated guesses, etc.) that the Persistence may have identified much more than just possible crab traps with questionable contents -- but perhaps and entire underwater "drop" system (post office) of a network for smuggling drugs in the vicinity of Aruba.

5. Is so the potential of an extensive money laundering system (drug payoffs and proceeds) through casinos, banks, businesses, etc. -- potentially an entire economy based upon this system -- with alleged connections back to FARC, Hugo, etc... etc...

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With those things in mind I can take a little historical perspective that dates back to 1983.

In 1983 I, personally, was a participant in a small select group of people who were in Washington, D.C. for a conference on government leadership.

As a group we were supposed to meet Then President Ronald Regan for a photo session at the White House.

That meeting was abruptly canceled due to a crisis brewing in the Caribbean.  In order to pacify us the White House dispatched to one of our meetings a replacement -- The Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney.

Secretary Cheney then briefed us on what was going on.  An expected coup on the island of Grenada by leftist hardliners.  He explained that should such an event be successful that the U.S. was prepared to invade the island in order to protect American medical students who were attending college there.  As a side note he also explained in great detail the  New "Star Wars" Strategy that was going to be released to the Congress.

Now... to me this is all interesting in perspective with recent developments.

Vice President Cheney, of course, is an expert on the Caribbean due to hard core first hand experience.

I am not saying he was/is in Aruba, but if the jet pic is authenic and "if" it's official clearance to land was based upon the id of Air Force 2.  This id is only used by the Vice President and pertains to any plane or air transport vehicle the President might be on (even a piper cub).  It could be part of a strategy to worry Chavez that the Veep is monitoring and preparing (remember, if there is a nexus between an elaborate network of underwater drug post offices, Chavez, Drug Cartels and FARC -- then the "Noriega" factor could surface).

I do not believe it is coincidence that this Jet (and whomever might be on board) just happens to be there when such an important Military operation (by an allied country) is going on.  I also feel that the Persistence was warned to clear out of the area for their own safety.  In addition, if the above premises are correct then the data they carry could very well bring Chavez down.  I do not feel their mission there was to intentionally gather intelligence data about drug trafficking -- but certainly if they have discovered what would be considered documented hard core evidence and subject them to possible attack.

Do not underestimate the image of Cheney in the Caribbean and South America.  With the recent development of the U.S. Navy shooting down a satellite brings back to me memories of that briefing back in 1983 by Cheney when he showed us an elaborate film which  showed how the system would conceivably work.  As you might recall the former USSR feared that possibility that the U.S. could even think of developing such a defense system.

I believe that the references by the Aruban Prosecutor that the Holloway family, the Mass Media and the DEA agent actions made prosecution difficult were a "masked" reference and warning in an attempt to let us know that there was much more going on behind the scenes.

Many of us in the past at RWV and other sites in the early days felt there was much more involved here than meets the eye. 

What is sad is that the "cover-up" that we all know now that exists is probably somehow linked to all of the political and economic upheaval in the region on both sides of the conflict and that Natalee really did find herself in the middle of all of this.  Why else would a judge rule that Joran should continue to stay incarcerated and then abruptly, on the same day, reverse that ruling upon returning to the safety of his own island?  Why else do prosecutors suddenly get sent on vacation during critical times except perhaps in the interest of National Security?

I would venture to guess that the protection Paulus et. al. gets is because of his knowledge of such things for either side.

We can only pray that whatever keeps justice from prevailing for Natalee is uncovered in the right way properly dealt with.  Those responsible for her disappearance and presumed death should be prosecuted and those responsible for the cover-up should, at best, be admonished and publicly exposed for the sad humanitarian effort that has been accorded to Natalee, her family and friends.

Just my humble opinion.

[Observer]

The Awemainta article last paragraph says that Maiky is supected of the crimes from 2002-2007. He is a Patronisa-dor  of the MEP and friends of one of the ministers.

[Lala'sMom]

Hi all,

Well it is not over till Natalee is send home.

XTC DNA area may hold many mystery...
The parked Hour Pendulum is now set in motion.
Several Guillotine are being sharpen.
when the Hour Pendulum reach 240 swing the auto Guillotine will fall.
the foundation of babylon will be shake.

To be continue...

I knew it!!  Caps is really Shango! LOL  Just kidding.  What is really scary is I actually think I understand him. 

[bluwaters]

Silverfox
What an interesting and thought provoking post.
I well remember Reagan's "Star Wars" defence plan.
Monkey brains are churning and turning tonight!

[wreck]

Well.... Here is my take, for whatever it is worth and means.

1. Rumor that AF2 was/is on the island of Aruba, backed up by an alleged photo of the jet (has this photo really been confirmed?).

2. Quick departure of the Persistence (Thank God).

3. Assassination (or military strike) of/on a high-ranking FARC revolutionary official allegedly in Ecuador by the government of Columbia (with alleged U.S. Backing).

4. Some rumors (suggestions, logical conclusions, educated guesses, etc.) that the Persistence may have identified much more than just possible crab traps with questionable contents -- but perhaps and entire underwater "drop" system (post office) of a network for smuggling drugs in the vicinity of Aruba.

5. Is so the potential of an extensive money laundering system (drug payoffs and proceeds) through casinos, banks, businesses, etc. -- potentially an entire economy based upon this system -- with alleged connections back to FARC, Hugo, etc... etc...

--------

With those things in mind I can take a little historical perspective that dates back to 1983.

In 1983 I, personally, was a participant in a small select group of people who were in Washington, D.C. for a conference on government leadership.

As a group we were supposed to meet Then President Ronald Regan for a photo session at the White House.

That meeting was abruptly canceled due to a crisis brewing in the Caribbean.  In order to pacify us the White House dispatched to one of our meetings a replacement -- The Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney.

Secretary Cheney then briefed us on what was going on.  An expected coup on the island of Grenada by leftist hardliners.  He explained that should such an event be successful that the U.S. was prepared to invade the island in order to protect American medical students who were attending college there.  As a side note he also explained in great detail the  New "Star Wars" Strategy that was going to be released to the Congress.

Now... to me this is all interesting in perspective with recent developments.

Vice President Cheney, of course, is an expert on the Caribbean due to hard core first hand experience.

I am not saying he was/is in Aruba, but if the jet pic is authenic and "if" it's official clearance to land was based upon the id of Air Force 2.  This id is only used by the Vice President and pertains to any plane or air transport vehicle the President might be on (even a piper cub).  It could be part of a strategy to worry Chavez that the Veep is monitoring and preparing (remember, if there is a nexus between an elaborate network of underwater drug post offices, Chavez, Drug Cartels and FARC -- then the "Noriega" factor could surface).

I do not believe it is coincidence that this Jet (and whomever might be on board) just happens to be there when such an important Military operation (by an allied country) is going on.  I also feel that the Persistence was warned to clear out of the area for their own safety.  In addition, if the above premises are correct then the data they carry could very well bring Chavez down.  I do not feel their mission there was to intentionally gather intelligence data about drug trafficking -- but certainly if they have discovered what would be considered documented hard core evidence and subject them to possible attack.

Do not underestimate the image of Cheney in the Caribbean and South America.  With the recent development of the U.S. Navy shooting down a satellite brings back to me memories of that briefing back in 1983 by Cheney when he showed us an elaborate film which  showed how the system would conceivably work.  As you might recall the former USSR feared that possibility that the U.S. could even think of developing such a defense system.

I believe that the references by the Aruban Prosecutor that the Holloway family, the Mass Media and the DEA agent actions made prosecution difficult were a "masked" reference and warning in an attempt to let us know that there was much more going on behind the scenes.

Many of us in the past at RWV and other sites in the early days felt there was much more involved here than meets the eye. 

What is sad is that the "cover-up" that we all know now that exists is probably somehow linked to all of the political and economic upheaval in the region on both sides of the conflict and that Natalee really did find herself in the middle of all of this.  Why else would a judge rule that Joran should continue to stay incarcerated and then abruptly, on the same day, reverse that ruling upon returning to the safety of his own island?  Why else do prosecutors suddenly get sent on vacation during critical times except perhaps in the interest of National Security?

I would venture to guess that the protection Paulus et. al. gets is because of his knowledge of such things for either side.

We can only pray that whatever keeps justice from prevailing for Natalee is uncovered in the right way properly dealt with.  Those responsible for her disappearance and presumed death should be prosecuted and those responsible for the cover-up should, at best, be admonished and publicly exposed for the sad humanitarian effort that has been accorded to Natalee, her family and friends.

Just my humble opinion.

Good thoughts! I have thought for a very long time that the Natalee "case" had very large "global" ties. I have always believed our perceived notion that our own U.S. government was not doing anything stemmed from the whole South America/world scene. There has been so much at stake in the region that our own government could not make public on what they "knew."

[Bladerunner]

Silverfox

Post of the Day


Just one thing though related to the premise that Persistence had accidently mapped a post office network: Given your hypothesis that this post office network could help bring down Chavez, and the fact that it was well known the ship was using sophisticated sonar off Aruba, don't you think that the ship would have been "intercepted" in some way in order for that information to never be collected?

[texasmom]

Hi all,

Well it is not over till Natalee is send home.

XTC DNA area may hold many mystery...
The parked Hour Pendulum is now set in motion.
Several Guillotine are being sharpen.
when the Hour Pendulum reach 240 swing the auto Guillotine will fall.
the foundation of babylon will be shake.

To be continue...

I knew it!!  Caps is really Shango! LOL  Just kidding.  What is really scary is I actually think I understand him. 

Me too Lala's!  I love it, that Shango unleashed is finally paying off...

[Silverfox]

Silverfox

Post of the Day


Just one thing though related to the premise that Persistence had accidently mapped a post office network: Given your hypothesis that this post office network could help bring down Chavez, and the fact that it was well known the ship was using sophisticated sonar off Aruba, don't you think that the ship would have been "intercepted" in some way in order for that information to never be collected?

Actually I believe that certain "parties" were probably scared to death.

[Bladerunner]

Silverfox

Post of the Day


Just one thing though related to the premise that Persistence had accidently mapped a post office network: Given your hypothesis that this post office network could help bring down Chavez, and the fact that it was well known the ship was using sophisticated sonar off Aruba, don't you think that the ship would have been "intercepted" in some way in order for that information to never be collected?

Actually I believe that certain "parties" were probably scared to death.

Clear and present danger indeed!

[Spock]

Anything new or more speculation?

[Magnolia]

Hi all,

Well it is not over till Natalee is send home.

XTC DNA area may hold many mystery...
The parked Hour Pendulum is now set in motion.
Several Guillotine are being sharpen.
when the Hour Pendulum reach 240 swing the auto Guillotine will fall.
the foundation of babylon will be shake.

To be continue..

Lala, What is 240 swings of the Hour Pendalum?.

I knew it!!  Caps is really Shango! LOL  Just kidding.  What is really scary is I actually think I understand him. 

[Silverfox]

Silverfox
What an interesting and thought provoking post.
I well remember Reagan's "Star Wars" defence plan.
Monkey brains are churning and turning tonight!

To me it is thought-provoking to consider that this operation by the Columbian Government was well planned in advance -- and, that the U.S. Government may actually have been monitoring Venzuela's response from Aruba.  (This is Cheney's style)

I would also guess that there may well be a U.S. Navy presence in the vicinity by the time of the Columbian military strike took place.  This is another reason I feel the Persistence was relatively safe (like having armed guards within shouting distance).

[Observer]

Anything new or more speculation?

Beth is Holland and will be on a TV show tommorow(Jensen and maybee Pauw and Witteman).

Maiky Farro a supporter of the MEP and a friend of one of the ministers was just arrested in Miami by Aruban request for suspicion of Money Laundering and Fraude. He is awaiting extradition.

Caps says to sharpen the guillotines in preperation for the fall of babylon 

[texasmom]

Silverfox,
I agree with bladerunner, POST OF THE DAY!

Good Work!   

[Bladerunner]

Posted on Sun, Feb. 10, 2008


Underground drug trade is going underwater, too
By Juan Forero

Washington Post

BAHIA MALAGA, Colombia - In the annals of the drug trade, traffickers have swallowed cocaine pellets, dissolved the powder into ceramics, and flown the drug as far as Africa on flimsy planes - anything to elude detection and get a lucrative product to market.
Now, the cartels seem to be increasingly going beneath the waves, relying on submarines built in clandestine jungle shipyards to move tons of cocaine.

Last year, 13 of the vessels were seized on dry land or stopped at sea by Colombian or U.S. patrol boats, more than in the previous 14 years combined, according to the Pacific fleet of the Colombian navy, which is responsible for interdiction efforts across 130,000 square miles.

Naval officials say they are concerned that many more submarines may have gotten past patrols, especially now that the newest models are faster and feature more seaworthy designs than the first such vessels that Colombian officials discovered in 1993.

"This enemy is supremely intelligent and has lots of money," explained Adm. Edgar Cely, the navy's chief of operations. "It shows that the narco-traffickers are betting on this method."


Traffickers' idyll
This sparsely inhabited sliver of Pacific coastline, where muddy rivers loop into the ocean, has long been a smugglers' paradise. Behind the jagged cliffs that jut into the ocean is a vast jungle, laced with mangrove-fringed coves and virtually thousands of miles of waterways.
The topography is nearly ideal for transporting the cocaine produced in clandestine laboratories in nearby Narino state, where leftist guerrillas, the remnants of a paramilitary army, and drug traffickers try to outmuscle one another for control.

In recent years, traffickers have used speedboats, called "go-fasts," that are custom-made from fiberglass and mounted with powerful motors that can take them to nearly 60 m.p.h. But the speedboats create long wakes, easy to spot from the air.

The new vessels are tougher to pin down. While popularly called submarines, they are, strictly speaking, submersibles. They cannot dive like true submarines. Still, the hull of such boats glides beneath the waves, with only the cockpit and exhaust tubes visible from above.

Some of the new vessels, with whimsically shaped fins, and ducts and pipes sticking out, bring to mind Capt. Nemo's Nautilus from Jules Verne's imagination. Others are cigar-shaped, narrow and hydrodynamic, not unlike the World War I German U-boats.


Pricey projects
Built under the jungle canopy, in camps outfitted with sleeping quarters for workers, the Colombian versions can cost $2 million and take nearly a year to build, said Capt. Gustavo Angel, commander of the 18-vessel flotilla that operates out of the naval base in Bahia Malaga, Colombia's most important on the Pacific.
"What's most striking is the logistical capacity of these criminals to take all this material into the heart of the jungle, including heavy equipment like propulsion gear and generators," said Angel, who has spent years fighting drug traffickers.

For traffickers, the payoff - reaching Central America, the first stage in a circuitous route to the United States - is well worth the trouble. A 10-ton load can fetch nearly $200 million wholesale on American streets.

One of the seized vessels on display here has a 450-horsepower diesel engine that could power the craft to North America. At 60 feet in length, it is designed to reach speeds of 111/2 m.p.h. and carry up to 10 tons of cocaine, five times as much as a "go-fast."

Because it was sheathed in fiberglass, it is virtually impossible to detect via sonar. It also has ballast tanks for balance and a global positioning system for navigation. Officials here have grudging admiration for the engineers who designed the vessels, saying they were built to cut through water seamlessly while withstanding long voyages.

Still, the submersible, one of three on display, is no Red October. There's no bathroom, no private sleeping quarters - let alone a galley or torpedo room.

The idea, officials say, was to beach the vessel, unload the cocaine, and split. "The question that is up in the air is how many have gotten out," said Angel.

[bluwaters]

Silverfox
What an interesting and thought provoking post.
I well remember Reagan's "Star Wars" defence plan.
Monkey brains are churning and turning tonight!

To me it is thought-provoking to consider that this operation by the Columbian Government was well planned in advance -- and, that the U.S. Government may actually have been monitoring Venzuela's response from Aruba.  (This is Cheney's style)

I would also guess that there may well be a U.S. Navy presence in the vicinity by the time of the Columbian military strike took place.  This is another reason I feel the Persistence was relatively safe (like having armed guards within shouting distance).

I would also guess that this is how Persistence knew when to book it out of there, right as Chavez was sending troops to the border of Columbia.

[AZLady]

Would 240 swings equal 10 days (24 hours x 10 = 10 days)?

[Silverfox]

Silverfox
What an interesting and thought provoking post.
I well remember Reagan's "Star Wars" defence plan.
Monkey brains are churning and turning tonight!

To me it is thought-provoking to consider that this operation by the Columbian Government was well planned in advance -- and, that the U.S. Government may actually have been monitoring Venzuela's response from Aruba.  (This is Cheney's style)

I would also guess that there may well be a U.S. Navy presence in the vicinity by the time of the Columbian military strike took place.  This is another reason I feel the Persistence was relatively safe (like having armed guards within shouting distance).

I would also guess that this is how Persistence knew when to book it out of there, right as Chavez was sending troops to the border of Columbia.