Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 - 3/5/08

[Bladerunner]

Last Updated: Friday, 3 October, 2003, 15:25 GMT 16:25 UK 

Cocaine washes ashore in Portugal
 
 
Police have recovered hundreds of kilos of cocaine lying in watertight bags along beaches south of Lisbon.
The bags began washing ashore on Wednesday evening and more than 400 kilos of the drug have now been found by police and coast guards.

It may have been jettisoned at sea by smugglers fearing detection or broken loose from underwater moorings.

The cocaine, thought to be worth millions of euros, was packed in green bags carrying a Christmas Tree symbol.

Each bag contained 1.2 kilograms of pure cocaine.

It was found along beaches stretching some 60 kilometres around the town of Sines.

The area lies in Alentejo, the country's most sparsely populated province.

The authorities stepped up patrols in the area in September after noticing suspicious movements of ships.

Illegal shipments of hashish and tobacco have washed up on local beaches in the past.

Police with sniffer dogs were still searching the beaches on Friday.



 

[Silverfox]

Last Updated: Friday, 3 October, 2003, 15:25 GMT 16:25 UK 

Cocaine washes ashore in Portugal
 
 
Police have recovered hundreds of kilos of cocaine lying in watertight bags along beaches south of Lisbon.
The bags began washing ashore on Wednesday evening and more than 400 kilos of the drug have now been found by police and coast guards.

It may have been jettisoned at sea by smugglers fearing detection or broken loose from underwater moorings.

The cocaine, thought to be worth millions of euros, was packed in green bags carrying a Christmas Tree symbol.

Each bag contained 1.2 kilograms of pure cocaine.

It was found along beaches stretching some 60 kilometres around the town of Sines.

The area lies in Alentejo, the country's most sparsely populated province.

The authorities stepped up patrols in the area in September after noticing suspicious movements of ships.

Illegal shipments of hashish and tobacco have washed up on local beaches in the past.

Police with sniffer dogs were still searching the beaches on Friday.



 

Imagine that...

[Observer]

Would 240 swings equal 10 days (240 hours divided by 24= 10 days)?

That would be my guess since he said hour pendelum. He probably speaks 3-4 languages but still talks in code  ..I guess you have to think like shango to break shango 

[bluwaters]

Growing up on the coast of Florida, I do remember that every so often "square grouper" would wash up on the beach. 

[Bladerunner]

I remember there was some speculation that utilizing underwater methods to traffic drugs was impractical, however, this appears to not be the case at all. The logistical capabilites of the smugglers is very sophisticated, particularly if you realize they are using semi-submersibles, GPS, etc, to move their product. Couple that with the fact that the money involved is mind boggling, and one can only conclude that if you are told to dive down and secure the cocaine, then that is what one indeed does!

[jackb]

I wish I were organized like Janet....but I am not.
I think it was on his my space or the one with the bloody
bathtub pictures.  I'll bet Klaas remembers.

It was on Val's myspace.  The bloody bathtub pic was on one of Joran's friends sites I think (not Vals).

Thank you, Klaas.....I thought it was one of the two.
That is what always made me think of the baseball bat.

  That would be interesting to have.  Anyone got it?  The Val's my space thing and saying.      j/b

Jackb - it was so early in the case most of us (me in particular) didn't even think to save it.  Since then of course that Myspace is long gone and he's started a new one.

I have a pic of what looked like a short-haired dark headed girl in the one I have that appears to have blood in it, but it is on outside storage.  Never studied it much at the time.  Just holding it.  May get back to that later, but as for Val saying that, now that would be interesting.   j/b

[texasmom]

Hi all,

Well it is not over till Natalee is send home.

XTC DNA area may hold many mystery...
The parked Hour Pendulum is now set in motion.
Several Guillotine are being sharpen.
when the Hour Pendulum reach 240 swing the auto Guillotine will fall.
the foundation of babylon will be shake.

To be continue..

Lala, What is 240 swings of the Hour Pendalum?.

I knew it!!  Caps is really Shango! LOL  Just kidding.  What is really scary is I actually think I understand him. 

I'm not sure Lala's saw this Magnolia, my thoughts are that it means 10 days.  I've not had as much Shango unleashed as Lala's has though, so I will bow to her interpretation if she does not agree.

[Bladerunner]

Last Updated: Friday, 3 October, 2003, 15:25 GMT 16:25 UK 

Cocaine washes ashore in Portugal
 
 
Police have recovered hundreds of kilos of cocaine lying in watertight bags along beaches south of Lisbon.
The bags began washing ashore on Wednesday evening and more than 400 kilos of the drug have now been found by police and coast guards.

It may have been jettisoned at sea by smugglers fearing detection or broken loose from underwater moorings.

The cocaine, thought to be worth millions of euros, was packed in green bags carrying a Christmas Tree symbol.
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Imagine that...

Merry Friggin Xmas!!

[bluwaters]

Bladerunner

A+ for research tonight!
I never heard of those fast submersibles before.

[martini]

BEIJING, China (Reuters)-China could be the near monopoly buyer of Venezuelan fuel oil after Beijing stepped up financial aid to cash-strapped Caracas, but it will be years before higher volumes of crude from the OPEC member begins flowing East.

 
Venezuela is struggling with multiple problems including a cash crunch caused by President Hugo Chavez's use of oil money to fund socialist projects, surplus fuel oil due to refinery outages and must seek alternative buyers for the crude it stopped shipping to Exxon Mobil Corp (XOM.N: Quote, Profile, Research) due to a legal row.

 
In an unprecedented move to ease its cash squeeze, state-run PDVSA had asked for $1 billion upfront payment in a tender to sell eight fuel oil cargoes of 1.8 million barrels each. The tender was scrapped when potential buyers balked, but PDVSA is still holding talks with PetroChina (0857.HK: Quote, Profile, Research), traders said.

 
If a deal comes through, it would mean China soaking up nearly all the Venezuelan fuel oil exports to Asia and raise term imports by the world's second-largest oil consumer by a further 20 percent over a year, traders said.

 
"If prices are really attractive, yes, we do have the appetite to take more fuel oil. But that also means PDVSA cutting back supplies to other buyers as that is about all they can export," said a PetroChina trading manager, who declined to be named.

 
China, which is keen to secure long-term supplies to meet its surging demand, has more than doubled liftings of Venezuelan fuel oil, a heavy residue used to power ships and make road-paving bitumen, since fourth-quarter 2007.

 
The increased supply, now at 5.5-7.3 million barrels a month, started around the same time as Beijing-backed China Development Bank granted Caracas a $4 billion loan for which PDVSA said it would repay in fuel oil.

 
PetroChina, China's main proxy in energy deals with the Latin American nation, also aims to raise crude oil imports from Venezuela by a quarter or more this year to at least 100,000 bpd.

 
The combined supply of fuel oil and crude would be near Chavez's promise to supply China 350,000 bpd by the end of this year, roughly 5 percent of China's total oil demand.

 
Victor Shum, of Purvin & Gertz, said it would be economic suicide if Caracas were to significantly shift away its crude supply from the United States now, as China did not yet have the capability to refine its highly acidic and high-metal oil.

 
The US buys most of Venezuela's exports to meet around 11 percent of its daily imports, but relations have been prickly and Chavez early this month halted oil sales to Exxon Mobil. The top US firm recently won court orders freezing up to $12 billion in Venezuelan assets to ensure compensation for an oil project Chavez nationalized last year.

 
But Beijing and Caracas have the political and commercial drive to push forward Chavez's pledge in November to boost supply to China to 1 million bpd by around 2011, or 13 percent of current Chinese oil demand.

 
"China wants to diversify sources of supply. Venezuela is a partner with open arms," Shum said.

 
"We are going to see more investments in the coming years, such as a joint venture refinery in China, for Venezuela to increase crude exports significantly," he added



http://www.avsnewsonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1699&Itemid=82

[Magnolia]

Hi all,

Well it is not over till Natalee is send home.

XTC DNA area may hold many mystery...
The parked Hour Pendulum is now set in motion.
Several Guillotine are being sharpen.
when the Hour Pendulum reach 240 swing the auto Guillotine will fall.
the foundation of babylon will be shake.

To be continue..

Lala, What is 240 swings of the Hour Pendalum?.

I knew it!!  Caps is really Shango! LOL  Just kidding.  What is really scary is I actually think I understand him. 

I'm not sure Lala's saw this Magnolia, my thoughts are that it means 10 days.  I've not had as much Shango unleashed as Lala's has though, so I will bow to her interpretation if she does not agree.

It scared me....I thought it meant 240 days and that seems so long.
I like 10 days much better.

[jackb]

thumbs-down: an act, instance, or sign of disapproval, a hand signal, interpreted to be negative, which consists of a fist, sideways, with the thumb pointing to the ground, below satisfactory or unacceptable.

When Roman gladiators received the thumbs down signal, it meant that a he was to live. It signified that the guards were to put their swords into the ground.

PERSISTENCE: This is the companion word to "patience." Both are firm requirements in dealing with people from other societies around the world. http://www.csupomona.edu/~tassi/gestures.htm

By their fruits (and hand gestures) ye shall know them...

Note to K~ you are one cool dude...if only I was 20 years younger.
Please take my post with a grain of salt. Thanks for all you do, Martini

  Wouldn't that depend if the divers were downside up or upside down giving the signal meaning the picture was not flipped.   j/b

[Observer]

Growing up on the coast of Florida, I do remember that every so often "square grouper" would wash up on the beach. 

I once ran into a very large Grouper while diving and he showed me his teeth. I then swam the other way 

As far as China and Venezuela goes..Of Course!!! They are trying to play monopoly wherever they can in the world... We have got to find a new fuel source and fast!

[bluwaters]

Sweet monkey dreams to all.
May visions of square grouper dance in monkey heads.

[Magnolia]

I think a Wever is the other man involved in the
arrest with Farro in Florida.
Wever, the minister of health, was arrested in a house of prostitution in Venezuela.

Isn't it Booshi or David who is the Health Minister.
That is who was at the Ho house and got into a fight
and left without paying his bill.

Rules in Aruba say that you can't be a minister if you carry
on like a wayward son.

[texasmom]

Would 240 swings equal 10 days (240 hours divided by 24= 10 days)?

That would be my guess since he said hour pendelum. He probably speaks 3-4 languages but still talks in code  ..I guess you have to think like shango to break shango 

That was my guess too, I didn't see this before...whew..I'm relieved!!!  I used the same reasoning based on "hour" pendulum.   

[Observer]

I think a Wever is the other man involved in the
arrest with Farro in Florida.
Wever, the minister of health, was arrested in a house of prostitution in Venezuela.

Isn't it Booshi or David who is the Health Minister.
That is who was at the Ho house and got into a fight
and left without paying his bill.

Rules in Aruba say that you can't be a minister if you carry
on like a wayward son.

I have never heard anything about Booshi or a David being in trouble but there are a ton of Wevers in Aruba...I know Candelerio Wever got popped in Venezuela with a large amount of coke and 250k in cash which he used to buy his Freedom. I believe Robert Wever chairman of the ISA and into politics in Aruba is Guido's Father. I noticed Caps said RC as well...To me those initials are the evil one 

[texasmom]

Sweet monkey dreams to all.
May visions of square grouper dance in monkey heads.

goodnight bluwaters!  love your smileys! 

[Bladerunner]

Last Updated: Friday, 3 October, 2003, 15:25 GMT 16:25 UK 

Cocaine washes ashore in Portugal
 
 
Police have recovered hundreds of kilos of cocaine lying in watertight bags along beaches south of Lisbon.
The bags began washing ashore on Wednesday evening and more than 400 kilos of the drug have now been found by police and coast guards.

It may have been jettisoned at sea by smugglers fearing detection or broken loose from underwater moorings.

The cocaine, thought to be worth millions of euros, was packed in green bags carrying a Christmas Tree symbol.

Each bag contained 1.2 kilograms of pure cocaine.

It was found along beaches stretching some 60 kilometres around the town of Sines.

The area lies in Alentejo, the country's most sparsely populated province.

The authorities stepped up patrols in the area in September after noticing suspicious movements of ships.

Illegal shipments of hashish and tobacco have washed up on local beaches in the past.

Police with sniffer dogs were still searching the beaches on Friday.



 

YouTube video on sub-marine drug trafficing out of Colombia--shows a $250M drug bust!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdI1y4sdPZE

[jackb]

Silverfox

Post of the Day


Just one thing though related to the premise that Persistence had accidently mapped a post office network: Given your hypothesis that this post office network could help bring down Chavez, and the fact that it was well known the ship was using sophisticated sonar off Aruba, don't you think that the ship would have been "intercepted" in some way in order for that information to never be collected?

That is why it is good to have the best operatives in these places, because they can inform the WH about what is going to go down and it would have to be proven to Persist.,they were in danger,  ie the VP plane around, etc.  Don't you recon?
J/b