Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 - 3/5/08

[jackb]

snip: (is this how we shorten stacks?)

Please don't stop posting.  Everyone messes posts up.  It's a requirement to be allowed to continue in the cage.  I got your message anyway.  I answered it didn't I?  We can all read monkey!

Did you see the post to you the other night?  It was right after you left.

I try to pick up where I left off every night but, I must have missed that
Thanks for responding Bearly.
Rob:  were you waving your towel this week?

I saw your post Castaglance asking if I am from Pittsburgh and I am. Sorry I didn't reply. I apologize.

I don't go into downtown unless I have to... and I don't usually participate in that kind of stuff. LOL

Frank knew Myron died before I did and sent me an email with his condolences. Are you from the area too?

I do have a few original Terrible towels around here somewhere.

Yes, just east... I checked for a travel show and we don't have one scheduled here (pout)
You know the other job to have here? Weatherman, they never get it right either, lol.
Nice to know such a smart cookie resides close-by. TY
[/quote]  Er....did you say someone died before you did and he sent condolences?  Wow.  That is strange.       j/b

[private eye]

Mighty coincidental.

[Observer]

I am with you. The first days of the case it was probably almost broken, and the most truth was probably spoken.

Didn't Mos re-arrest the boys the day the car was delivered to Patrick? Before filming could begin?

Mighty coincidental is correct since they arrested them on bogus new major evidence. He gets released then confesses to her going into seizures and having her body dumped in the ocean but then isn't arrested. Also the mentioining of another infiltrater in Nov/Dec with recordings,who was the other Infiltrater in Holland?    Something stinks!~

[Shell]

Buckshot, it's around somewhere. That's the way I remember it. It was a small white pick-up (possibly a Toyota) and the license plate was registered to the ALE and it was the truck assigned to Van Der Straaten. That's a little bit clearer.

Maybe someone has that info stored.

that's the way I remember it anyway... and around the same time, someone came forward and said that someone stole a white trash bag from the Hyatt beach area.

It must have been a special kind of white trash bag for someone to even notice it was missing.

A witness saw it being grabbed from one of the large trash cans.

Well that is more understandable. Thanks for explaining.

[private eye]

I am supposed to be working on the house and my wife is monitoring the site so I am having to hit and run:)

[private eye]

Can you tell who THINKS they wear the pants in the family:)

[Shell]

What was the sum / slant of the Teleruba program ?
Was it to trash anyone but Joran ? ie Patrick ?
My gut feeling is that if Mother Theresa were alive and made a comment favoring the family or Natalee, she would have " something"  in her background to disrespect and the answers would lie in Calcutta.

Kat, that is so true.

[mojo]

What was the sum / slant of the Teleruba program ?
Was it to trash anyone but Joran ? ie Patrick ?
My gut feeling is that if Mother Theresa were alive and made a comment favoring the family or Natalee, she would have " something"  in her background to disrespect and the answers would lie in Calcutta.

poor ole mother teresa was taken to task by christopher hitchens - so that ship has sailed too!! 

http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/

[Nut44x4]

Suriname rejects corruption claims in US drug report
Published on Tuesday, March 4, 2008
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-6430--36-36--.html

[jackb]

from Loving Natalee...pg 149

the meeting in the sloots house with grata and Beth

Now it's my turn. I have no intentions of a matching her good-boy remarks with good-girl comments. And cut to the chase. Graphically repeating the very words said by their son a couple of weeks ago in his statements made on June 9, 10 and 13.  The vile account that was read to me in the attorney gemeral's office. the sexually explicit words used by Joran to describe what he did to Natale. Calmer than I have ever been in my whole life and without blinking, I tell them which fingers he said he used.  Where he said he put them. How their son described my daughtes' public area, her underwear. How Joran said she was falling asleep and waking up, falling asleep and waking up. I tell them of his conflicting stories of what happened, the different places he said it happened. Little beads of sweat form across Paulus' brow and forehead.

I am so getting into full blown heartburn again.Everytime I get angry this is what happens.I think I'll go figure out what's on the menu tonight for dinner after I reach for the Pepcid and do some praying.See ya'll in awhile..Monkey Hugs...

The underpants thing makes me sick too.

Hang in there, when I get mad or angry I think of something silly just to release the steam.
Here is a silly example~
Joran's new name is Poopsie Picklesniffer~

http://apps.scholastic.com/captainunderpants/NameGame/play.htm

It really works.  I was sitting here thinking what I would like to do to that father and son, getting boiling mad all over again, and here comes the words Poopsie Picklesniffer.  I am getting leveled out.  LOL  Poopsie is crazy enough, but pickelsniffer just makes it ring.   LOL.  Jack the cracked. 

[Kat_Gram]

Well, it would not surprise me if Patrick went to Prison.
IMO His chances of such are increased relative to the amount of time he spends in Aruba. I am a cynic.

[ala_gunslinger]

I am supposed to be working on the house and my wife is monitoring the site so I am having to hit and run:)

LOL! 

Been there, do that!

[jackb]

I adhere to the theory that Natalee Holloway was placed in the landfill.

The account of Junior ... the landfill witness ... is consistent and …. with much detail was conveyed by his brother to the ALE in the first week of the investigation.  Almost two month later the same story was related to Natalee's family.  Junior provided a description of the vehicle and … he recorded a licence (tag) number. Junior identifies the location where he observed Natalee was placed and .. he described the child’s plastic pool which was used as a covering and ... the plastic pool was recovered in that location by TES/Dave Holloway almost two months later.
 
I comprehend that Junior failed the polygraph test administered by Jamie Skeeter. However … it should be noted that Junior had volunteered to take that test and … it is known that those who are afflicted with mental disorders/addictions are often very poor candidates for lie detector tests. Also … if Junior feared intimidation by the “powers that be” in Aruba … again the outcome of the polygraph would be considered inconclusive when the stress factor is considered.
 
I believe it is possible that Natalee was moved from the landfill following Junior's observation.
 
Junior's brother came forward to authorities on June 3, 2005 … two days after Junior's observation at the landfill on June 1, 2005.  When Junior came forward to Beth Twitty two months later with the same story .... ALE claimed that authorities had gone to the landfill and checked out Junior's original story and .... found nothing. I contend that .... knowing the exact location and .... after only two days had passed since the observation ... the "powers that be" would have had no difficulty locating Natalee.. I suspect that on June 3, 2005 … Natalee could have been moved as a result of Junior's observation.

I find it highly suspicious that Junior's brother came forward to authorities on June 3, 2005 regarding the happening which Junior had observed at the landfill on June 1, 2005 and ..... the Holloway and Twitty's did not find out about this witness until Junior personally contacted them two months later.
 
Inquiring minds want to know ... WHY?

Janet


+++++++++++

Edwin Comenencia
Associated Press
August 1, 2005

Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip days after Holloway's disappearance May 30th, but found nothing.
http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/1756907.html

  Correct me if I am wront, but the tag number turned out to be a police tag number.  A public official tag number or some thing of the nature.  Those POS(s) better be praying and thanking God they have remained alive.     jack blue

[JE]

from Loving Natalee...pg 149

the meeting in the sloots house with grata and Beth

Now it's my turn. I have no intentions of a matching her good-boy remarks with good-girl comments. And cut to the chase. Graphically repeating the very words said by their son a couple of weeks ago in his statements made on June 9, 10 and 13.  The vile account that was read to me in the attorney gemeral's office. the sexually explicit words used by Joran to describe what he did to Natale. Calmer than I have ever been in my whole life and without blinking, I tell them which fingers he said he used.  Where he said he put them. How their son described my daughtes' public area, her underwear. How Joran said she was falling asleep and waking up, falling asleep and waking up. I tell them of his conflicting stories of what happened, the different places he said it happened. Little beads of sweat form across Paulus' brow and forehead.

I am so getting into full blown heartburn again.Everytime I get angry this is what happens.I think I'll go figure out what's on the menu tonight for dinner after I reach for the Pepcid and do some praying.See ya'll in awhile..Monkey Hugs...

The underpants thing makes me sick too.

Hang in there, when I get mad or angry I think of something silly just to release the steam.
Here is a silly example~
Joran's new name is Poopsie Picklesniffer~

http://apps.scholastic.com/captainunderpants/NameGame/play.htm

It really works.  I was sitting here thinking what I would like to do to that father and son, getting boiling mad all over again, and here comes the words Poopsie Picklesniffer.  I am getting leveled out.  LOL  Poopsie is crazy enough, but pickelsniffer just makes it ring.   LOL.  Jack the cracked. 

according to cptnunderpants site: Freddy Arambatzis= Greasy Diaperfanny 

[ciskebab]

Beth is talking about the seizure qeustion within 48 hours 

[Peaches]

Hi Monkeys~
I have a question about the prisons in Aruba and Curacao. I seem to recall a prison you tube video of a rap song done in the Curacao prison. I tried to find the video, no luck. In researching it, there was something about removing the lap tops from the prisoners?
My question is..Are the prisons in the Netherland Antilles different from the USA?

A little off topic but this was e-mailed to me today~
Sheriff Joe Arpaio (In Arizona) who created the 'Tent City Jail':

 

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.
He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails.
Took away their weights Cut off all but 'G' movies.
He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.
Then He Started Chain Gangs For Women So He
Wouldn't Get Sued For Discrimination.
He took away cable TV Until he found out there was a Federal Court Order that Required Cable TV For Jails so He Hooked Up The Cable TV Again Only Let In the Disney Channel And The Weather Channel. When asked why the weather channel He Replied, so They Will Know How Hot Its Gonna Be While they Are Working ON My Chain Gangs.
He Cut Off Coffee Since It Has Zero Nutritional Value as well. 

He's a great guy.  He seems to have common sense concerning what prison is and what it's for.  Took a lotta balls to do what he did.  I don't think AZ residents are griping about it...unless they're in his jail.

[Observer]

Beth is talking about the seizure qeustion within 48 hours 

Good! I hope they ask her more about those first few weeks!

[JE]

For those who wanna watch the Jenssen show with Beth they ll probably add it here by tomorrow

http://www.rtl.nl/shows/jensen/home/index.xml

[ciskebab]

Tomorrow there is another jensen show with peter patrick beth and bram (beth's lawyer) and i saw a clip of it they are going to call joran on his cell lol and he did pick up

[Observer]

  Correct me if I am wront, but the tag number turned out to be a police tag number.  A public official tag number or some thing of the nature.  Those POS(s) better be praying and thanking God they have remained alive.     jack blue

I remember they traced the tag number and said that vehicle could not have been at the Landfill on that day.  I think first they said it was a Maverick or something and then said it was a Govt vehicle.